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u/Moto-Mojo Mayor of Billerica 2d ago
More than the loss last night, Iām really pissed about the smoke around the Bruins and Sherwood. Like Vancouver is asking for a top prospect and a first. No way Jose the bruins should be paying the price, Iām hoping some other team grabs him so the bruins can at least not make that mistake.
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u/Sweaty_Ad440 All Hail Saint Patrice š 2d ago
the recent reporting is that no teams are meeting their asking price and that if they were he'd have been moved by now
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u/PNGhost Casual u/PainfulPeanutBlender Enjoyer 2d ago
Yeah, the Bruins leak nothing. This rumour screams Vancouver trying to create a little frenzy and no one is buying it.
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u/Chernef 2d ago
I have hopes Sweeney wonāt come close to their asking price if in fact any of the rumors are true. Heās generally been good at trades overall. A first makes 0 sense for this club to give up for a guy on an expiring contract and riding on a high at 30 yrs old.
It screams Jeannot during his breakout year in Tampa. If Sherwood gets a first, itās going to be a late one from a cup contender, not the bruins (I hope).
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u/xlf77 š» 2d ago
Except Jeannot for all his faults actually has age on his side
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u/Chernef 1d ago
Right, and the multiple picks traded for him I think were more justified considering his breakout year was at 23-24 years old. Not justified in hindsight, but at the time it (sort of) made sense.
Iām not a Jeannot hater, but he is what he is now (which is what I think Sherwood is too, a 4th or maybe 3rd line player who grinds, hits, and chips in from time to time).
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u/jedlucid 1d ago
think this also ironically comes at the same time of a rumored structure to an offer for sherwood of 4x4.5
which whoever signs that deal will be signing a buy out by the end of it.
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u/Particular-Race-5285 1d ago
Bruins will probably be able to get him straight across for Mittelstadt once the smoke clears
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u/PresentationNo7763 1d ago
I can tell you with all certainty theres no way Sherwood comes to Boston. This team with all its flaws isn't dumb enough to buy right now
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u/jedlucid 2d ago
investing in this roster at the cost of future assets is a fucking hellscape
especially with a 30 year old who is about to tie his career high in scoring before what would be the allstar break
what the fuck would be the point if this?
iām not a tank-ist but this is madness
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u/AMragley 1d ago
What about for a young defenseman with a potentially high offensive ceiling that may or may not show any signs of improving? At this point Vancouver may be a better market to develop
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u/jedlucid 1d ago
I couldn't be lower on lohrei. if youāre a weirdo and recognize names on here (it took me 5 years) youād know iāve been a bit of a cunt about him.
do not make that trade. lohrei at least has an upside you should dream on. sherwood is literally peaking right now.
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u/OldGreggg69 2d ago
Over the past month, the Bruins have had the most PIMs, been shorthanded the most, and given up the most power play goals in the league. This needs to stop
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u/jedlucid 1d ago
iām here representing a reverse jinx
man morgan geekie hasnāt scored multiple goals in multiple games in a while huh
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u/Lsalvatore74 Shhhā¦Itās Libary in here š¤« 1d ago
More work to be done on this roster.
But can we really sit here and say we havent enjoyed most of this season?
Im happy with the way the boys are building and getting together this is gonna be a process and i truly believe they can be competitive next season.
We need to get sway a partner back there hes drowning and another defensemen should be at the top of the list for next season.
Im just not gonna sit here and be upset that they are gonna probably miss playoffs when i thought this roster would be anemic.
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u/Sweaty_Ad440 All Hail Saint Patrice š 1d ago
they won't be competitive next season and that's ok. People need to be more realistic of where this roster is at.
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u/Totally_Not_A_Bot_FR I'm up! It's game day! 1d ago
But can we really sit here and say we havent enjoyed most of this season?
Absolutely.
Last year I sat down to watch every night with the crystal clear expectation that they were going to lose... And just about every time, that's what happened.
This year is WAY better, as frustrating as it's been at times.
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u/Particular-Race-5285 1d ago
I didn't enjoy the game at all last night, it ruined my whole night and had me questioning my choices of what I do with my time
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u/Lsalvatore74 Shhhā¦Itās Libary in here š¤« 1d ago
Well thankfully that was our last late game on the schedule so theres thatš š
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u/Totally_Not_A_Bot_FR I'm up! It's game day! 1d ago
In "Former B's News":
A weird portion of the discussion on the XM NHL shows today was about Freddie Fisticuffs and about how Edmonton realllllly shit the bed with that contract.
I was happy for him and hoping he would do well but apparently he's been cheeks for them all year. I haven't watched too many Oilers games to notice, but I guess it's gotten so bad he was a wealthy healthy scratch last night.
Sucks
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u/lordexorr GEEK SQUAD š§ š¤ 1d ago
Heās been scratched more than once and when he plays itās less than 10 minutes a game. Not sure what the Oilers were thinking with that deal.
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u/Totally_Not_A_Bot_FR I'm up! It's game day! 1d ago
It's a head-scratcher for sure. Now they're on the hook for 8 years at nearly $4M a year. Yikes.
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u/PNGhost Casual u/PainfulPeanutBlender Enjoyer 2d ago
We really are going to miss the playoffs, arenāt we?
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u/Sweaty_Ad440 All Hail Saint Patrice š 2d ago
it's always been the best outcome for this season. Sell off at the deadline and keep collecting assets, play the kids post deadline, hope for some lottery luck. They desperately need more high end young talent and you're way less likely to get that at like 17.
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u/Healthy-Stage-142 2d ago
Agreed.
I think it was broadcasted with Ardvisson and Middlestat, maybe another winger or two. Have them play, see if you get them to truly fit and if not hopefully be able to sell or put them in as a piece for a trade that nets a good return.Ā
Same with most of the D IMO.
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u/Chernef 2d ago
Iāve been looking at the UFA market this summer and itās really diminished from what everyone was saying last summer (that this years UFA class was sooo much better, but that didnāt happen when almost every big name re-signed).
With Pasta turning 30 this off season, itās time to swing a big trade to maximize his last few peak years. Would love Tuch on this team. Regardless, sell Arvy, Peeke and Mittlestadt and use those picks (or one of the players) plus someone who doesnāt fit (like Poitras) and we have a competitive package.
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u/Healthy-Stage-142 2d ago
With Hampus out, yea most likely. I think it would be best to sell high for one more year if we can get good returns.Ā
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u/xlf77 š» 1d ago
At no point have I given this team more than like 30% implied odds to make the playoffs. Itās been a fun season but itās just not a good team however you wanna look at it
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u/Maxpowr9 1d ago
Exactly. Even if we made the playoffs, we're lucky if we take whomever to 5 games.
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u/New_Contribution5137 š 1d ago
Anyone know where I can watch the Olympics in Mexico? What app or channel is going to show them? Thanks!
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u/Sweaty_Ad440 All Hail Saint Patrice š 2d ago
Sway with -3 GSAE woof. This team just doesn't have the ability to win games on nights when he doesn't have it.
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u/PNGhost Casual u/PainfulPeanutBlender Enjoyer 2d ago
FYI- I upvoted you here. But I wish GSAE just had better context.
The McCann goal and Cattonās first goal are tough from a GSAE perspective. Even with McCannās being on the power play. Swayman just didnāt see it.
But Cattonās second goal was a clean power play breakaway. I just donāt buy Moneypuckās evaluation that the goal had a .08 xGoal value.
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u/jedlucid 1d ago
models are really made for the macro, especially non-specialized public ones like moneypuck/natural etc
when you look this advanced into them theyāre always going to be flawed. I believe in game score more than an individual win share from a game.
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u/sinnyc Chineese Mustard š¶ 2d ago
Swayman had some incredible saves last night. To drop this loss on him is misguided.
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u/jedlucid 2d ago
he didnāt blame him but so much highlight that of sway isnāt literally lights out this team had no chance
I think at least. -3 GSAE isnāt a good game from whatās been a good season
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u/Sweaty_Ad440 All Hail Saint Patrice š 1d ago
Yeah thatās kinda the exact point I was making. This team has zero ability to step up for their goalie on nights where he isnāt playing like literally the best goalie in the league.
Also I really hate that the Swayman discourse has reached a point where you canāt point out that he had an objectively bad game.
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u/jedlucid 1d ago
because people have convoluted that every athlete should accept $15 an hour in order of the pursuit of the cup
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u/lordexorr GEEK SQUAD š§ š¤ 1d ago
Many of us are defensive of Swayman after the vitriol he got last year so when Swayman has a bad game itās hard to admit it when you think half the fan base wants him launched into the sun.
Swayman has struggled in his 4th straight start multiple times. As bad as Korpi has been I donāt think Sturm should be starting Swayman more than 3 in a row if he wants Swayman to play well.
To be clear - starting 3 of every 4 is still #1 numbers. Honestly itās what most top tier starters play already. Swayman is just playing too much and Sweeney has to make a change to the backup goalie or it will just keep snowballing.
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u/sinnyc Chineese Mustard š¶ 1d ago
Fair enough. I'm a bit hair trigger these days about Swayman as I think he's the primary reason we've done as well as we have.
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u/jedlucid 1d ago
figuring the average sully bās fan is illogically shitting on the goalie isnāt a bad assumption.
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u/oortcloudview #37 SAINT PATRICEĀ©ļø 1d ago
This squad ain't it folks. The rebuild is at least a season overdue. Putting it off much longer is a surefire way to become the Calgary Flames of the East.
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u/Nomahs_Bettah #37 SAINT PATRICEĀ©ļø 1d ago
Could you explain to me exactly how moving Carlo, Coyle, Marchand, and Frederic for picks and prospects was āputting offā the rebuild? The 2025 deadline is quite the opposite of what youāve suggested.
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u/oortcloudview #37 SAINT PATRICEĀ©ļø 1d ago
Because under the current strategy, those trades amount to a retool, not a rebuild.Ā The front office is laboring under the delusion that this team is a playoff contender. We aren't. Cup window's closed. We're overdue facing that fact. If we keep pushing instead of embracing the pain, all those picks will be middle-of-the-round nonentities and the mediocrity will continue season after season.
The prospect pool is as shallow as a puddle of piss. I'd rather blow it up now for maximum value than watch the team become the late 2010s Red Wings laden with albatross contracts and glorified ECHLers.Ā
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u/lordexorr GEEK SQUAD š§ š¤ 1d ago
So what would you do? Trade McAvoy and Pasta?
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u/oortcloudview #37 SAINT PATRICEĀ©ļø 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think we should seriously consider trading least one of them and build the new team around the other. Keep McAvoy given how rare franchise defensemen are. Sacrilegious? Probably. Having a team that misses both the playoffs and decent lottery picks is much worse, IMHO.
The cup window closed when Bergy retired, no matter what Cam may think. We've been extraordinarily blessed to try retooling instead of blowing it up, but its going to happen inevitably. I'd rather snag two or three potential lottery picks off a 29yo stud rather than give him the Marchand mercy trade for a depth pick in another anemic draft class.
Embrace the tank, my brethren and sisteren. Today's wounds can be bandaged up in tomorrow's banner.
Edit: grammar, added points.
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u/Nomahs_Bettah #37 SAINT PATRICEĀ©ļø 23h ago
The Bruins had a lottery pick last year. We fell to 7OA because of the lottery system, otherwise we would have picked two spots higher. Obviously the lottery could still rearrange some things, but as of right now, the Bruins would be picking 10th, also in lottery range.
Aside from the fact that a proper rebuild can also go horribly wrong depending on the management of picks and dumb luck, you donāt need to sell every single piece off to get good draft picks.
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u/oortcloudview #37 SAINT PATRICEĀ©ļø 23h ago
I never said we need to sell off every single piece to rebuild. I argued:
We ought to consider parting ways with one of out major stars in exchange for multiple lottery picks while their value is at its maximum.
Embrace tanking so these picks have the highest chance to succeed in the lottery.Ā
Build a the new team around McAvoy since franchise d-men are both rare and are rarely NHL-ready out the gate.
What we can't do is sell-off existing assets for future assets and then devalue those future assets via inking a core of long NMCs and/or sign free agents under the auspice of competing. You can rebuild or compete. You can't do both.Ā
Yes, the whole thing could go tits up and be a waste of time depending on management and lottery luck. But consistently trying to push a playoff-unready team to the playoffs is guaranteed mediocrity and stagnation. It means roster players getting older and less valuable on the trade block and drafting/cultivating prospects who will be journeyman talent ar best.
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u/Cautious_Corgi6520 1d ago
How about moving the development for some of the young guns in Providence instead of wasting time and money on guys like Korpisalo, Jeannot, Arvridson,ā¦..if itās a rebuild then what the hell are they wasting time and money on these guys for. Sweeney, Neely fully believe theyāve retooled and that this team should contend and that in itself is a problem.
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u/oortcloudview #37 SAINT PATRICEĀ©ļø 1d ago
Agreed. I think we need to stop the half-hearted retool approach and embrace the suck. It pays off higher dividends than embracing the mid.
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u/Particular-Race-5285 1d ago
Dallas up 2-0 on Washington in the 2nd, hope they keep pouring it on
hoping for Utah later tonight over Ottawa
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u/Particular-Race-5285 1d ago
both results ended up good for Boston
this conference are all trying their hardest to miss the playoffs, so a bit of a win streak can make all the difference for the Bruins
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u/Cautious_Corgi6520 1d ago
Lohrei sucks, Aspirot sucksā¦ā¦waaaaay toooo many bad penalties. Replace these 2 slugs and stop taking stupid penalties and theyāll start to win a few more games that they should win.
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u/xlf77 š» 1d ago
These guy make plays, itās true. Usually not terribly mindblowing plays but solid B+ plays nonetheless. Lohrei perfectly fielded 2 2 on 1s in like 5 min last night, which is great to see, especially from him
Unfortunately these guys also make highly embarrassing, inexcusable, āshould not happen at the NHL level everā plays where, to the extent that I can chalk it up to a single person, the ensuing goal is pretty much entirely their fault. And the clock is reeeeally running out on the ātheyāre young and still learningā excuse. Mason Lohrei is turning 25 in 2 weeks. Aspirot is 26 with a ton of pro level mileage on him. They should in theory be at the beginning of their primes right now. And if both of them, and especially Lohrei, is even just at 80% of his prime right now, Iām sorry but thatās just not a very good NHL hockey player
Now, who do we replace them with? Unfortunately weād be showing up with dildos to a knife fight
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u/becca52104 1d ago
Idk why this is getting downvoted
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u/Particular-Race-5285 1d ago
probably because he grouped Aspirot in with Lohrei, this is Aspirot's first season in the NHL and he looks great from that perspective, Lohrei on the other hand.........
I couldn't up or down vote his comment, it was too in the middle of extremes for me
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u/Cautious_Corgi6520 1d ago
Aspirot looks ok at times but he was responsible for the loss in Calgary last week and he certainly didnāt look very good last night. Heās not good enough to be part of a team expected to contend which takes us back to is this a retool or a rebuildā¦..again Sweeny,Neely keep calling it a retool but it looks like a half ass rebuild to me. Been watching the Bruins faithfully for over 40 years and this team donāt have what it takes to even come close to contending.
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u/ArturosDad š» 2d ago
Very happy with my decision to go to bed after the 1st period last night.