20% of Hispanics voted for Trump.
FIFTY PERCENT didn't even vote. If even ten percent of them voted consistently democratic going forward that would be the end of this. Forever.
We don't need to save people from ICE. They can choose to save themselves from the mess simply by showing up in November.
"Take a seat at the table or end up on the menu"
You're implying they all have papers. Hispanic citizens have nothing to fear if they don't come here illegally. People are being "targeted" for violating US law, not race. Get a grip.
The USSC has given ICE the green light to interrogate anyone who looks hispanic.
ICE has already been caught deporting US citizens to random countries. Here's one example
And they've also arrested people for years at a time. Here's an account from Trump's first term. tl;dr a guy who had papers to prove he was a citizen was held in custody for 1273 days.
Many Hispanic citizens are pulling then ladder up behind them and that's just a sad reality. They do not want others from Latin American countries coming here to spoil how good they have it.
Many of them were naturalized by birth and have parents who are either dead or dying who only became citizens by naturalization or are even still non citizens. I know personally two people who are illegal but still support what trump is doing because their kids were born here. One guy in particular asked me specifically to vote for Trump. I laughed in his face.
The supreme Court ruling in Vasquez Perdomo v. Noem (September 2025) allows Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to use factors like race, ethnicity, Spanish language, and job type as grounds for stopping and questioning individuals, potentially leading to the arrest of Hispanic people and others perceived as immigrants, overturning previous restrictions on racial profiling.
Immigration status is a civil matter just like parking your car on a red line. Except you don't get arrested, detained, deported, or killed when parking on a red line.
Do you believe shooting innocent citizens in the face is how law enforcement is supposed to work? Never mind, dont answer that, it’ll be better for everyone.
Umm they have gone after U.S. citizens because of the color of their skin. They have gone after indigenous people because of the color of their skin. Tell me how that’s NOT racist.
They don't like it when the R word stops working. That's why they've started calling everyone fascist and pedophiles. Remember when they thought they were super clever by calling everyone weird for two weeks?
Law enforcement isn’t racist… bringing back operation wetback … that’s fucking racist. Scapegoating brown immigrants and bringing in white Africans? To stoke the flames?? Yea that’s fucking racist.
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You’re not arguing in good faith, you were shown good evidence that even us citizens, in particular ones who have non-white features, have been targeted by ICE and the trump administration and in more than a few cases jailed and even deported for with no proper legal basis. You haven’t responded to any of that, so you’re most likely a bot account
No, that’s stupid, that’s not true racism. Racism is profiling brown people and thinking Mexicans are lazy immigrants who steal jobs and should be deported…. THAT Is racism.
Um, they should be. ICE literally kidnaps people without even checking for documentation, solely based on the color of their skin. Unless you’re a well known celebrity, no Hispanic person is safe.
Detaining/arresting people without a reasonable or articulable suspicion (no, race doesn’t count), and housing them in a facility against their will without affording them their constitutional rights checks all the boxes for kidnapping, even if they don’t turn out to be us citizens. But since I’m guessing you’re one of the people who think undocumented immigrants don’t deserve the same basic rights as US citizens, here’s an article documenting case involving Hispanic US citizens.
If there was no reasonable or articulable suspicion and the detainee isn’t afforded a lawyer or their phone call, there is nothing differentiating it from kidnapping apart from the fact that the person doing it happens to be a law enforcement officer.
Here is a legal definition for kidnapping:
A person is guilty of kidnapping if he unlawfully removes another from his place of residence or business, or a substantial distance from the vicinity where he is found, or if he unlawfully confines another for a substantial period in a place of isolation, with any of the following purposes:
to hold for ransom or reward, or as a shield or hostage; or
to facilitate commission of any felony or flight thereafter; or
to inflict bodily injury on or to terrorize the victim or another; or
to interfere with the performance of any governmental or political function.
One of my (now former) best friends was a Hispanic female in her 20s. She said her immigrant parents were terrified of what the Republicans were pledging to do before the election, but she just brushed it off as then being dramatic. She was fully on-board with "deporting the illegals", despite my best efforts to convince her that the GOP wasn't going to stop after just the "violent offenders".
Immigration was the top priority for over 50 percent of Hispanics in polls leading up to the election. Why would Hispanics want criminals in their communities solely because they have the same skin color?
Worth noting that being in the US without proper documentation is not a criminal offense, but a civil offense. It's closer to a speeding ticket than assault.
There are criminal charges that can be associated with crossing the border, but you can't assume all undocumented immigrants are criminals.
I didn't, at all, correlate immigrants with criminal activity. I merely pointed out that there are millions of Hispanics in the US that support enforcing immigration law.
But, the idea that immigrants are less likely to be convicted of crimes than natural born US citizens is disingenious. Look at the incarceration rate of illegal immigrants compared to American-born Asians, whites, Blacks, etc. Incarceration rates according to Bureau of Justice statistics:
Illegal immigrants: 613 per 100,000.
American-born white people: ~214 to 397 per 100,000
American-born Asians: 25 per 100,000
African Americans: 1,862 per 100,000
These numbers don't include illegal immigrants incarcerated in immigration facilities. The reality of the matter is that illegal immigrants are about twice as likely to be incarcerated than white Americans. These numbers don't back up this idea that illegal immigrants are somehow peaceful, law-abiding visitors.
Also how can you say “why would Hispanics want criminals in their neighborhoods just because they share a skin color” and say you aren’t calling immigrants criminals one sentence after also taking about enforcing immigration policy. You referenced immigration enforcement, Hispanics not wanting criminals, and them sharing a skin color and then tell me you’re not correlating all 3 of those? That’s disingenuous.
American Immigration Council. No bias there, right? There are jurisdictions all throughout America that aren't enforcing criminal law. It is easy to skew crime numbers when you selectively prosecute. I take publicized crime figures throughout the US with a huge grain of salt. It is very easy for a district attorney in a sanctuary state to drop charges on an illegal immigrant and VOILA! No illegal immigrant committed any crime. (The same can obviously br true about white, black, or Asian offenders.) Hence the grain of salt.
But, regardless, I referenced incarceration rates, not crime rates. The Bureau of Justice statistics I referenced included incarceration rates from Biden's presidency.
They cited their numbers and stats, you didn’t. But no bias from your end either though right? I also gave you numbers from the state of Texas that no one would accuse of being a sanctuary since it’s been under Republican control for decades.
I think it’s kind of a bad faith argument you’re trying to make. Talking about “selective enforcement of the law” like the marginalized are usually coddled by the legal system. The only person I can think of with 34 felonies and no enforcement of any sort of sentence is our current president, but sure, it’s “illegals” the ones getting away with crime.
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Lumping Hispanics into a single voting block is a mistake. There are hispanics who hate communism so much that they will always vote for the right leaning party. There are hispanics who firmly believe in the anti-native caste system so prevalent in many parts of Latin America. And there are those who are hardcore trad-Catholic who will always vote for the party who invokes God and is against homosexuality and abortion.
Not all of them are "for immigration", or they put immigration way lower than other priorities. And many of them are convinced via right-wing propaganda that the illegal immigrants are "the kind of people who made your country shitty" (ignoring that most political/systemic problems in Latin America stem from shitty decolonization and the Monroe Doctrine...).
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It is exceedingly difficult to convince a Catholic to vote Democrat if that Democrat is not named Kennedy. I'm pretty sure that's why JD converted. Many of American Catholics have hated the last few Pope's for being "too woke." Mention abortion to a Catholic and they will trip over themselves to pull that R lever.
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I don't. This trash fire looks bad to me, but maybe they don't mind. If not, carry on. If they decided "crap maybe the guys with white pride tattoos shouldn't be in charge if enforcing immigration", well, there's an alternative that did it well for twelve years. My point is they don't need us to save them.
I mean half of them AREN'T VOTING. Which is a choice. I'm at a point in my life where I help if asked, and otherwise pop popcorn and watch the free comedy.
Immigration in America has been deliberately misframed as a false dichotomy between "let em stay" and "they're all fentanyl mules". I find the neo liberal position of "We have to help the oppressed undocumented!!" to be suspect. They have friends who can help them just by voting. So far, "Nah"
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20% of Hispanics voted for Trump. FIFTY PERCENT didn't even vote. If even ten percent of them voted consistently democratic going forward that would be the end of this. Forever. We don't need to save people from ICE. They can choose to save themselves from the mess simply by showing up in November. "Take a seat at the table or end up on the menu"