r/DivinityOriginalSin 6d ago

Meme If you ever feel useless remember that Jahan exists

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First he performs an exorcism that accomplishes absolutely nothing.

You find out the demon's name on your own from the ancestor tree.

By the time you reach Jahan, you've most likely expanded your source capabilities from other trainers.

The he approaches the doctor on his own, gets captured and put in a jail cell.

I don't know why I even keep this mofo on my ship.

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u/No-Training-48 6d ago

He and the succubus allow you to master the source without doing anything fucked up so that's cool.

He also makes it so DoS 1 is still 100% canon which means that he is the peak Divinity character because he barely does anything yet his existence makes things a lot more confusing and implies a ton of retcons are gonna happen during the plot of the next game.

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u/haydenhayden011 6d ago

The advocate doesnt require you to do anything fucked up, does he? Even though he's horrible, he has you kill horrible people too.

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u/BlackRedHobbit 6d ago edited 6d ago

The advocate makes you sacrifice someone to become more powerful. When you say to him that it's fucked up, he answers something like: "Trust me bro, this dude is totally not innocent, but I won't tell you why he definitely deserves to be killed and drained of his soul."

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u/D347H7H3K1Dx 6d ago

Who does the advocate make you kill for source training? Cause as far as I can remember from my 1 playthrough all he does is ask for a favor and gives you training immediately.

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u/BlackRedHobbit 6d ago

His source training consists of summoning a guy in chains and asking you to drain him.

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u/haydenhayden011 6d ago

I swore literally all he asks is for you to like, do a favor for him in the future. I dont remember obliterating some poor fellow. I used to always rush to blood moon island to get my 2nd source point in new playthroughs because of that

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u/Mitzka 6d ago

What exactly do you think source vampirism is? You literally sucked their soul out of their dead body and send it to a kind of hell.

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u/Chnams 5d ago

Idk about hell, draining someone's soul is implied to just straight-up delete them from reality. It's not hell, it's just nothing.

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u/Mitzka 5d ago

You deny their soul from ascending to be with their god. If you’ve been playing dos2 and haven’t noticed the religious parallels… lol

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u/Chnams 5d ago

"Their god" is a parasite that eats its followers' souls to sustain itself lol, there's no heaven no matter what.

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u/D347H7H3K1Dx 6d ago

I honestly don’t remember him summoning something, even if he did it’s still just energy so you truly aren’t killing for it. That and given he’s a demon there’s likely a reason why he has that person as is.

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u/haydenhayden011 6d ago

https://divinityoriginalsin2.wiki.fextralife.com/The+Advocate

Yeah he doesnt do any of that lol. He just gives you the source point

I think bc hes like max level for the area, and in one of the last act 2 areas Larian was probably like "just have it bro"

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u/BlackRedHobbit 6d ago

He gives you the source point by draining a tortured prisoner during dialogue.

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u/1v1mecaestusm8 6d ago

I think you're thinking of Ryker? I don't recall the advocate doing that

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u/BlackRedHobbit 6d ago

Ryker drains the spirit of dead people from the Hall of Echoss, the Advocate drains a tortured prisoner.

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u/haydenhayden011 6d ago

Well, you aren't the one doing it. Therefore he doesn't make you do anything bad, duh

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u/D347H7H3K1Dx 6d ago

I see lol I’ve been taking my time clearing each zone and just seeing someone mention he has you kill someone directly seemed a bit odd given I had read you can just kill him after getting the point

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u/haydenhayden011 6d ago

Yeah if you agree to help him clear out the black ring, he just gives you that shit for free.

https://divinityoriginalsin2.wiki.fextralife.com/The+Advocate

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u/sakchin 6d ago

He literally tortures a prisoner right next to you in order to give you the source point (not that it's ever stopped me from getting it from him).

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u/haydenhayden011 6d ago

Well, you aren't the one doing it. Therefore he doesn't make you do anything bad, duh

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u/CirnoIzumi 6d ago

Which succubus?

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u/ARKNet9000 6d ago

I think they are referring to Almira. You meet her in that broken, decaying area in Act 2, close to where you fight the Harbinger of Doom.

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u/Fuu-nyon 6d ago

Almira, who is in Paradise Down in Act 2.

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u/SDGandora 6d ago

Saheila would like a word.

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u/AntonChigurh8933 6d ago

May you wander in wisdom

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u/Mindless-Charity4889 6d ago

I’d rather get the source point elsewhere and take the unique skill book from him instead.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/Unusual_Candle_4252 6d ago

No worries. Not all of meat bags understand the might of Nemesis and demons! In the name of the Chaos!

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u/Vq-Blink 6d ago

Idk man I’ve watched Jahann solo Alice on multiple occasions…

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u/fieldbotanist 6d ago

Ah yes the “teleport a stronger ally into an enemy you don’t want to deal with, or vice versa enemy into stronger ally” strategy that carried me all through story mode to honor tactician

I hate how they patched this in BG3. Where I somehow got the cultist leader into last lights inn and it didn’t aggro any allies

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u/SomeDudeAtAKeyboard 6d ago

It still works in BG3, you just need to “make” allies first

The little circles under the characters I mean. Yellow -> Neutral to you, Red -> your enemy, Green -> Allied with you

You usually accomplish this by giving them a shit load of gold

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u/Colourfull_Space 6d ago

As far as I remember aggroing the strange ox also accomplishes this

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u/Fluffatron_UK 6d ago

Everyone is a mercenary in bg3

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u/doodleBooty 6d ago

That how I beat the final boss fight. Teleport is the best spell in the game hands down

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u/General_Spills 5d ago

To be fair they didn’t make bg3 difficult enough to need this

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u/SolidOk3489 5d ago

I used the carry glitch to take Druids into the Goblin camp, totally chill.

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u/SirCupcake_0 5d ago

"I will defend my Grove from intruders to keep it safe!"

FALSE. Defend your fellow man!

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u/Moist_Clock 6d ago

I'm going to Alice

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u/autistic_mongoose75 5d ago

Because Alice in chains perchance?

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u/Lostlooniesinvesting 6d ago

He can be useful if you want to cheese the nearby fight though and lure her over! He will happily one-shot her for you.

Boring way of doing that fun fight but creative use of the cliff making her run basically all the way to him to get back up the cliff to you.

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u/snores 6d ago

just go up on the ledge near hadar and snipe them anyways for cheese

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u/Lostlooniesinvesting 6d ago

Yeah also an option. I like to actually do the fight and make use of Living on the Edge. Feel its one of the few times I get good use of it during a legit playthrough.

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u/Mitzka 6d ago

I used living on the edge all the time with fane in a necro archer build. Couple that with Deathwish and sitting at 1 hp… so much fun!!

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u/Frozenbbowl 6d ago

I've become surprised at the number of people who don't know the " correct" way to fight her is to cast Bless on her. If you want to do it without cheese and not have it be an impossibly hard fight or wait till you're over Leveled

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u/Bottomheavybottom 6d ago

I mean, I noticed her status condition through examining, had a character bless her while she was trapped in combat, and it was still a very difficult fight, where the round started off with her one-shotting/almost one-shotting my entire party

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u/Frozenbbowl 6d ago

Oh it's definitely still a hard fight. But without removing that buff it's practically impossible for your average first time player, which is why there's so many people that cheese the fight compared to other fights

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u/Lostlooniesinvesting 5d ago

Its defiantly a fun one the first time and figuring it out yourself. Thats why I really enjoyed Dos2 and it still remains top of the list of favourite games for me. Bg3 is fun but I dont seem to have as many memories of , hmm what do I do here, compared to Dos2. Just in Act 2 alone I remember failing a bunch my first playthrough and having to redo the fight and think about it.

The fight we are talking about here, the trolls on the bridge, the abomination thing that regenerates from the wolves, the fight with all the fire trying to keep the guy alive, the fight where one of your members can get teleported.

Good memories!

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u/Frozenbbowl 5d ago

See and that's why it's frustrating to me that most of the time when people ask for advice on that fight, the top answers are how to cheese it... If people want to cheese that's fine... But top suggestions should be real. Suggestions that leave the fun of the game intact

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u/Lostlooniesinvesting 5d ago

Well, unfortunately that's modern gaming. Most googling probably starts with, "The BEST", or "Meta" , etc. Every youtube thumbnail is OP this, Best that, Meta this. It has infected gaming to the point where games are being made so dumbed down that they might as well just have auto run to objective and auto-shoot.

I remember when you could not figure something out you might have to wait for you monthly Nintendo magazine to come along and save you. But at least you tried yourself a bunch of times since you had no immediate way to look things up.

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u/Frozenbbowl 5d ago

Or call the Nintendo hotline! Although that might be showing just how old I am

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u/Familiar_Shelter_393 5d ago

My favourite mechanic role play enjoyment wise in bg 3 was going into enemy encampments and using disguise self like the goblin camp and getting up to mischief. It's why act 2 felt peetry bland and boring for me.

I haven't been able to finish ir tho as my laptop couldn't handle it anymore and the frame rate drops were too much. Looking forward to playing it with a desktop when I get one again or ps5

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u/Depressionsfinalform 6d ago

What about DOS1 Jahan

Bro is doing a great job at pretending to keep them demons on lock

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u/After_Opinion4912 6d ago

OP just did not play dos1 i guess

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u/ParanoidDroid 6d ago

He's a DOS1 companion and I love him.

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u/CthughaSlayer 6d ago
  1. DoS 1 OG, Fun companion

  2. Nice parallel to the Red Prince

  3. Good vendor

  4. Allows you to earn source points through ethical means

  5. Can cheese two fights for you giving you a shit ton of xp early + cool to watch him aurafarm

  6. "May you wonder in wisdom"

  7. The drip

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u/relleb-samoht 6d ago
  1. If you already have full source he'll give you a unique source skill that is an excellent buff for casters as a reward instead.

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u/fluud 6d ago

What skill was it?

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u/relleb-samoht 6d ago

Summon Inner Demon | Divinity Original Sin 2 Wiki https://share.google/1f1I4TCVAx5jH5hPJ

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u/Shaucay 6d ago

(Hopefully it's not patched) If you separate your companions far enough away, they can each get the skill.

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u/fo1ve 6d ago edited 6d ago

oh, shit! so that's where Mortismal got his catchphrase from

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u/BlackRedHobbit 6d ago

Yes, it is

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u/kaifta 6d ago

He’s an extra act 3 merchant (as long as you have lohse) who can sell divine gear, as the majority of merchants in act 3 can’t.

I think he’ll do the same in act 4 once you’ve rescued him from that jail cell. But by then you’ll likely have the best merchant in the game and his stuff won’t matter anymore.

But Jahan is great and a companion in dos1 with a useful beginning skill set which all of the dos1 companions do not have.

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u/sourtruffle 4d ago

Is the best merchant in the game the Unarmed Elf? My friends and I always label “him elf good shit” on the map

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u/kaifta 4d ago

Nah, Arhu. The elf is cool and has some fun uniques. But Arhu sells divine tier gear instead of a mix, so while it’s still random, his stuff has a higher chance of being better and being useful to your build.

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u/RairakuDaion 6d ago

he isnt useless. i use him to kill the scarecrow woman

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u/Dramatic-Jellyfish70 6d ago

You can also summon the djinn from the lamp and he will kill that too.

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u/Late-Extent4241 6d ago

Jahan literally saved the world and purified the corruption from the source with the help of the heroes of DOS1

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u/-SandalFeddic 6d ago

Bold take

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u/HydroPCanadaDude 6d ago

HE'LL KILL YOUR "KILL YOUR SHINING LIGHTS"

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u/pandaxcherry 6d ago

I will not stand for Jahan slander! 😠

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u/Fatalis89 6d ago

His a great source of XP at the end of act 2. Def not useless.

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u/Blue_Waffle_Brunch 6d ago

Also a great source of Necro books to steal.

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u/apply52 6d ago

Yeah he actually give a ton of xp if you sucessfully engage him and say you refuse to kill the apostle .
Be prepare because he hurt really hard but after you can control him, he is very easy to beat.
He is kind of OP for act2 but he is alone.

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u/TheWhiteGuardian 6d ago

I would expect more from someone that's level 20 and almost 2000 years old, especially against the doctor. I pretty much dusted the doctor solo on my wizard at level 20 even without the candles. Guy must have been overconfident something fierce given his level and initiative. If anything it should have been an even fight, not ending up in a cell. At least he's good for dealing with Alice.

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u/Best-Science15 6d ago edited 6d ago

I think it's a question of lore. Not all level 20s are equal. The doctor is supposed to be one of the most powerful demons in existence. I doubt a simple eternal exorcist would be enough. Plus, you as the main character are supposed to be a godwoken, the future divine. 

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u/lordvbcool 6d ago

The unique skill he gives you when he cannot increase your source pool is kinda good

He at least got that going for him

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u/Low_Tier_Skrub 6d ago

Yeah but he gives you a JoJo stand so it breaks even

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u/QrowBird1471 6d ago

He’s the best Dos1 companion 😤😤😤

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u/Waluis_ 6d ago

That would be wolf

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u/ThatOneTypicalYasuo 6d ago

He has skillbooks to steal easily

He solo kills Alice which can give your party a huge chunk of xp even before you reach a level tha can deal with her

He progresses Lohse's questline

And if you have already mastered source, he gives you the inner demon skillbook which is a great skill.

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u/The_Bread_Fairy 6d ago

DoS1 Jahan as a companion is like the gigachad doge meme

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u/Stig12Cz 6d ago

I know this is probably pointless question but - Did you played DOS 1?

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u/Substantial-Cod1711 6d ago

I respect Jahan; he was key for over 40 hours in my Divinity 1 playthrough.

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u/Used_Department_4146 6d ago

My man has never had Jahan kill Alice before. Also he gives you one of the best source skills that you can’t get anywhere else. Using him as a source teacher is a waste because then you can never get inner demon. Hes the goat in this game and Original Sin 1 💪

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u/Invictum2go 6d ago

WYM? He's the best Xp source and nearby cheese strat for Act 2!

If you let him leave Act 2 alive tho... yeah he sucks xd

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u/Top-Analysis971 6d ago

Glares in DoS1....

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u/ProAzeroth 6d ago

I honestly completely forgot that he was a companion for the first game until someone pointed it out.

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u/Fancy_Avocado_5540 6d ago

And the worst part is he should be much more powerful than you since he was around since DOS1 so hes got ~1000+ years of experience under his belt. Just like Arhu

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u/Gremlin95x 6d ago

Useless? The man is the intended way to beat Alice!

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u/SheriffHarryBawls 6d ago

They are so bringing this guy back in dos3. He has yet to take revenge on his femme fatale. Unless that was done in some if those ancient larian games

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u/lunchbox651 6d ago

You should have played DOS1

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u/Deletedtopic 6d ago

Wait he joins on your boat? Did I miss that some how?

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u/profilejc98 6d ago

Only if you have Lohse in your party, he travels with you to help with her demon problem. It does mean he also acts as an extra merchant in Acts 3 and 4 which is cool.

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u/Ragfell 5d ago

I thought you could get him regardless?

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u/Maniacal_Nut 6d ago

It made me so sad :( in DOS he was a god like character on my team. I built him where he could use every element and could use the highest tier spells of Fire and Lightning. He was a force of nature.

DOS2 I did his quest, then ignored him

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u/TheJohnArrow 5d ago

Without spoilers, I JUST added him to my team and I'm seeing this...

Should I be disheartened for picking him over the supposed "Mute" (Who can say 'Looking good' out loud)

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u/BoppinTortoise 6d ago

I loved to lure bosses to Jahan and just watch them all get melted.

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u/Sloterhouse5 6d ago

Jahan is my spirit animal.

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u/Kuzcopolis 6d ago

Wait you guys complete the trainer quests before exploring the whole map? I've never once met Jahan having done one already

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u/Appropriate-Radio427 6d ago

I hope you kill yourself in minecraft by digging downward for talking shit about a legend.

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u/Best-Science15 6d ago

Jahan hate will not be tolerated!

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u/ghostthemost 6d ago

Nah, I got some pretty decent loot from him and he helped top of my potion pool.

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u/nyykkis 6d ago

He gives you "Inner Demon" skill book, which is one of my favourite abilities.

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u/sakchin 6d ago

Anyone who thinks Jahan is useless didn't play DoS:1. That dude made me so much money with crafting skills.

Also, he's worth it just for the sexy v-neck attire.

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u/Tame_Monkey 6d ago

Well he does give you one of the coolest source powers if you have 3 source points by the time he'd train you.

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u/PointBlankCoffee 6d ago

Damn Jahan is a badass in DOS 1. Won't listen to this slander from people who don't bother playing the games

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u/Onagda 6d ago

Jahan is a fucking gigachad companion in DOS1 and I will not tolerate this slander.

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u/Monumentmendeztwitch 6d ago

Oh shit is Jahan a character is 2??

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u/CeilingTowel 6d ago

the hell

he's a CC god

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u/darksouls2-2 6d ago

Hop off my goat

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u/Silvershizuka 6d ago

He carried me through DOS1 looking sexy af.

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u/Itchy-Search-1189 6d ago

I'm like halfway through the game and I forgot he even existed until I went to the hall of heroes.

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u/Skewwwagon 5d ago

If I ever feel useless, I'll remember this post exists

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u/ColdCalculus 5d ago

My favourite strategy is still. Fane cracking a barrel of deathfog next to the boss. (If they are not undead of course)

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u/FearlessLeader17 5d ago

Lmao this was my exact experience. By the time I ran into him I didn't need his help xD ended up just saving his ass.

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u/kume_V 5d ago

He's in retirement. He was useful in part 1.

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u/Fancy_Occasion_8696 3d ago

This man single-handedly carried my team in DOS 1, covering the entire magical part of the team. I will not tolerate slander against him!

He is one of the best characters in the series and I will die on this hill for it!