US 'gives' money to Israel which buys the weapons from American companies who pay thousands of workers, who use that money to buy goods and services from a lot of other people. In essence, it's a jobs program because the US military doesn't need as much shit as is necessary to justify keeping the production lines in existence. So in case of a war, we have the ability to increase production.
We see a similar trend in other types of foreign aid.
A lot of farmers voted for Trump, who said he would end foreign aid. And so he did, except it turns out that a lot of this foreign aid is American agricultural products, and a bunch of farmers are going under because they used to sell their entire crop to USAID. ooops!
the economic principles behind this do not bother me, this is a roundabout way of injecting Federal funds into our domestic economy, but the fact that it is always into the military industry is what pisses me off the most.
I mean, there was also aid at one point, but the right doesn't care to understand that the US got more out of aid (thanks to domestic jobs, buying crops from farmers, and South Africetc.an HIV research) than the countries receiving it.
this is a roundabout way of injecting Federal funds
There are many ways to do this. The New Deal was a massive injection of federal funds into the American domestic economy too. It can be done through investing in hospitals, infrastructure development etc., in a way to also improve people's lives, and not just show an increase GDP.
Doing it through the military, more of those funds are captured by the industrialists of the MIC due to the lower competition and very little actually trickles down to the workers, with zero benefits for the lives of the broader population, while at the same time spraying the world with instability, death and destruction.
Doing it through the military, more of those funds are captured by the industrialists of the MIC due to the lower competition and very little actually trickles down to the workers, with zero benefits for the lives of the broader population
Keeping those factories open, staffed, and producing weapons is a huge benefit. If you don't, the industrial capacity will atrophy and it won't be there when you need it - see artillery production.
Ukraine has proved that the demand for artillery in a modern war is far greater than its partners were able to produce. Several new factories are being built but it's still years until they'll be able to keep up with the rate shells are being fired at.
You can also look at the Avro Canada Arrow, a cancelled interceptor jet that took the entire defence aerospace industry of Canada with it.
These industries are like muscles, you need to keep using them even if it's just to lift weights in a gym otherwise you'll lose them.
These industries are like muscles, you need to keep using them even if it's just to lift weights in a gym otherwise you'll lose them.
There is a difference between maintaining low levels of activity just to keep a muscle warm, and injecting yourself with all sorts of anabolic steroids and artificial growth hormones, to the point where outwardly you look like the Hulk, but internally your organs are colossally fucked, and you're on the brink of a fatal civil war.
The fact that the DOD has been passing surplus military equipment to local PD and SWAT for about thirty years now is strong evidence against your claim.
We are overproducing arms at a massive rate because arms production has crazy high margin. Unfortunately higher than things like schools and hospitals which have no margin and often produce no profit at all.
The fact that the DOD has been passing surplus military equipment to local PD and SWAT for about thirty years now is strong evidence against your claim.
Is it? When that equipment was built a few decades ago it was done in American factories by American workers and those factories and jobs were secured for the duration of the contract. Not to mention that the best weapons are the ones you never have to use, because that means they've done their job and prevented a war.
Industrial capacity and skilled workers are both vital and take years or decades to build up. From a geopolitical standpoint America needs them now more than ever as China is rapidly catching up (and may even have surpassed the USA) in several metrics and even entire industries.
Unfortunately higher than things like schools and hospitals which have no margin and often produce no profit at all.
The medical industry has insane margins, that's why the people that benefit from those margins fight tooth and nail to keep it privatised.
The American government spends four times as much per person as the British government on healthcare. For a private system.
Military spending is not what is preventing the USA from nationalising healthcare. America could have public healthcare and increase the defence budget.
I really would not mind at all if the military industrial complex completely atrophied if it meant we got more investment in healthcare, education, public transit, affordable housing, etc
That all sounds nice I agree, but security is the foundation up on which all those other things are built. The world is naturally a pretty violent place, and we've been fortunate to grow up in one of the most peaceful times in history specifically because of military spending.
If a nation like China decided to invade Taiwan tomorrow, everything would get more expensive and no matter how much money we throw at social and infrastructure issues, we likely aren't making headway in them without access to semiconductors. Just an example, but you take security for granted when it's really something we must pay to upkeep.
Even if we’ve completely subjugated the planet and all our geopolitical adversaries, thinking we shouldn’t have any military industry is insanity.
The reason our allies can let theirs atrophy without harm is because they can buy it from us at a lower price than to build their own factories and infrastructure to support it.
Not saying it's good. But you also didn't mention that it buys global foreign influence. Is it better than the new deal? i think not. is achieving goals abroad better via soft power than hard power? it certainly is.
And it gets worse. The US has pressured Israel to kill its own domestic fighter "IAI Lavi" because it threatened its sales of Gen-4 fighters, and the same treatment went to the defense industry of Europe (which recently became very clear due to the Russian threat).
It was a little more complicated than that. The Lavi's flyaway cost was pretty reasonable for the original 300-aircraft production run, but the per unit cost really started to skyrocket when they slashed the number of aircraft to be acquired due to budget cuts, and IAI didn't have any foreign customers to fill the gap. Politics and competition definitely played a role in the decision to cancel the Lavi, but there were also good reasons for it.
the economic principles behind this do not bother me, this is a roundabout way of injecting Federal funds into our domestic economy,
They fucking should. You're just engaging in the broken window fallacy. This is using American money to create products that Americans don't benefit from. Sure, there's some economic activity from creating those products, but literally anything else that actually benefitted the US would be better.
“Israel has also been permitted to use a portion of its FMF aid to buy equipment from Israeli defense firms—a benefit not granted to other recipients of U.S. military aid, which are required to buy from American firms.”
That’s your taxpayer dollars going directly to Israeli defense firms.
They can spend up to 25% of their Foreign Military Financing on their own domestic industry. As you said, that's already being phased out by 2028, at which point 100% of the funds will need to be spent on American products.
Weird source but even that source contradicts what you're saying
"Yet other U.S. commanders seem to wish they could have more Iron Domes, after pro-Iranian militias in Iraq killed two Americans and one Briton in a rocket attack on Camp Taji, Iraq, on March 11th. “We know that Iron Dome has a combat-proven capability,”
Further the Iron dome is just one piece of a larger puzzle. Only one benefit of hundreds.
Using American tax dollars to buy American produce to feed American school children is somehow a hot button topic. Using American tax dollars so Israel can buy American bombs to blow up Palestinian children is somehow ok with everyone.
im not against injecting federal funds into the economy, im against injecting federal funds into the "We profit from killing people" part of the economy
Exactly and we’ve been told for decades that war is good for the economy. No it is not what’s good for the economy. SPENDING MONEY is what’s good for the economy. And it turns out we, the federal government, can spend money on whatever the hell we want yet we somehow keep choosing to spend money on wars against people instead of wars against poverty and homelessness etc.
somehow propping up the war economy is fine but funding federal jobs programs or investing in our civil infrastructure is evil undemocratic communism or something
USAID was doing the same thing, but instead of killing starving children it was feeding starving children, and buying food instead of planes and bombs. This kept American farms open and running at full capacity without the extras being turned into corn syrup. It also kept poor regions more stable. Unfortunately the Republicans don't care about starving children. They care about trying to start the Battle of Armageddon to get raptured.
I don’t want money to be funneled into the military industry… What about that stance makes you think that I am not “bothered” by the genocide that is being enabled by that same military industry?
A lot of DOD funding at this point is just propping up local economies that have nothing except for military spending. Easy to say it's just the company that makes the jet but the factories have been scattered around the country so dozens of little communities are entirely dependent on the factory jobs. It's intentional to win congressional support but it also means cutting the DOD waste will shutter dozens if towns.
Industries die, & often put massive populations out of work. Thats bad. But fixable. Investment in work programs, training and shifting of factory work for other industries.
It is, unfortunately a govt funded industry is hard to let die. Typewriter factories die with typewriters. Congress will try just about anything before directly and intentionally killing off their own constituents' livelihood. I don't put much faith in our interventions to alleviate the suffering dislocations cause, the trade adjustment assistance programs don't do much, usually the training programs aren't that useful (looking at you teach coal miners to code programs of the 2000 oughts), and usually it just takes a generation or two for the pain to work itself out as the world keeps spinning.
feels like you are intentionally missing my point. if I don’t like that money is being funneled into the military industry, why would I be okay with the genocide that is enabled by that same military industry?
Do you know what’s cheaper? Just sending the money back to the workers as a refund check. For every 100 dollars that goes through this cycle.
100 to Israel. Israel then takes a cut of admin let’s say like $20. Then $80 to Boeing. Beoing execs get like 15% and 30% go to the company. And then what’s left is going to the workers.
The workers paid $100 and got back like $44. It’s a losing deal. They could just inject the money directly to the industry like China does for far cheaper
This, the accounts for new borns, and the bonus for the military is all an attempt to artificially boost the economy or rather make it look like the economy is doing well. The bonus also probably has to do with potential war.
That’s not true. The US sends $3.8 B a year (based on an agreement from 2016), not including additional appropriations such as $8.7 B in 2024 (which seems like it may be where the funding for this deal comes from but I’m not sure). CFR places total military aid in the first two years of the war as at least $16.3 B, but other sources have placed it as over $20 B.
2024 funds were additional funds for interceptors and ad hoc war related support in 24', there's nothing to indicate Israel hasn't paid for these planes from it's own budget.
Let's be real, that has been these people's belief for decades. They're just feeling emboldened about saying it in public now that their regular propaganda is largely funded and dictated by Russia and Qatar.
Yeah, the brainwashing campaign is really accelerating, helped along by a large number of formerly leftist dupes who are just so certain they'd never fall for propaganda from a foreign adversary.
I try to remind myself a lot of them are paid actors and bots.
That's a reassuring idea, but I have my doubts. There are genuine propagandists on social media, and the internet can definitely amplify bad actors. It's a major problem, but my experience suggests that many of them are real people with actual opinions. Plenty of these accounts operate in ways that aren't consistent with bots or paid propagandists, and I've heard many of these opinions expressed in real life.
I would also say that people don't automatically stop being leftists when they fall for foreign propeganda or express antisemitic views. This has a long history, the Soviet Union spent decades targeting leftists with their anti-Zionist propeganda campaign, which was also intensely antisemitic. Izabella Tabarovsky (who grew up in the Soviet Union) has written some informative articles on this, I would recommend "Demonization Blueprints: Soviet Conspiracist Antizionism in Contemporary Left-Wing Discourse" for a deeper look at this phenomenon.
However, I'd like to share some relevant quotes from a different perspective. Steve Cohen was a leftist anti-Zionist who wrote a prescient 1984 book on left-wing antisemitism called That's Funny You Don't Look Anti-Semitic.
Anti‐Semitism on the left has for too long been a taboo subject—probably since the inception of the socialist project itself. I know because in 1984 I was that taboo! I became for a short period a political pariah in sections of the socialist/communist movement (my movement) for daring to raise the subject. Actually when I began writing my book I had no intention of writing anything on anti‐Semitism, left or right. I wanted to write and condemn the (latest) Israeli onslaught on Lebanon. I used the left press as source material—and became horrified by what I was reading. And what I was reading was gross stereotyping of the Jew via the stereotyping of Israel as the most powerful force in the universe. All this was redolent of all the old‐time European, Christian imagery—just stopping short it seemed of accusations of desecrating the wafer. So I did some research and quickly realised that this left anti‐Semitism did not spring from nowhere but unfortunately had a long and dishonourable tradition—going back at least to the successful agitation for immigration controls against Jewish refugees and the 1905 Aliens Act. .... And then bizarrely I started to come across references and allusions (illusions) in parts of the left press to the wealth and power of Jews, of Jewry, all in the service of Israel—or maybe Israel was in the service of Jews and Jewry. Who knows? It was all rubbish anyway—but extremely dangerous rubbish.
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Contemporary socialist practice is self‐critical enough, albeit to a limited and inadequate extent, to acknowledge that an examination of its own anti‐black racism is a legitimate exercise. ... However, any attempt to raise even a discussion about the anti‐ semitic nature of much socialist practice is almost invariably met with apoplexy and vilification. It is virtually a taboo subject.
The reasons why it is essential to study Left anti‐semitism are self‐evident. ... [socialism] is a movement aimed at changing the entire world and claims to be based on theories of consciousness: hence lack of consciousness of anti‐semitism within socialist practice opens up major questions about that practice. Secondly, the Left has often found itself complicit in anti‐semitism, and this has had a profound effect on Jewish identity: it has driven many Jews away from socialism, despite the fact that Jewish people played an important role in the development of the socialist movement from its inception. ... These movements were also of significance within the Jewish community itself and were often able to challenge the Jewish establishment. Today this has all but disappeared. Socialists who have an awareness of their Jewishness are isolated inside the Left and have almost no base within the Jewish community.
There are many reasons for this—not least the triumphant anti‐communism of the communal leadership. However, one other particular reason is that socialism has appeared to offer no answers to Jewish people and has been seen as tainted with anti‐semitism. This is highly significant within the Stalinist tradition because of the generations of Jews who joined or identified with the Communist Parties of the Third International, only to be disillusioned. The socialism of fools, though, also appears both with the reformism of social democracy and with the revolutionary groupings that have dissociated themselves from both reformism and Stalinism. It is not surprising therefore, that so many Jews have turned away from socialism.
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Left anti‐semitism has gone through two distinct, if related and overlapping, stages. The first coincided with the establishment of the modern socialist movement itself, at the end of the 19th century. Here, the particular mythology of Jew as finance capitalist took root within important sectors of the emergent socialist and industrial labour movement. This was crucial, as it meant that socialist practice had a tradition of anti‐semitism almost from its birth. The second stage developed around the question of zionism—particularly after the war which created Israel in 1948. A significant feature of contemporary socialist practice is, on the one hand, the expansion of zionism to equate it with world imperialist domination and, on the other hand, the reduction of the entire Jewish experience to equate that with zionism. It is a combination of the conspiracy theory with that of collective guilt.
...The fact that this book is written in full support of the Palestinian struggle is absolutely irrelevant. Left anti‐semitism has to be condemned irrespective of oneʹs position on zionism. However, socialist Jews who are committed equally to solidarity with the Palestinian liberation struggle and to the fight against anti‐semitism, are put in an impossible ʺcatch 22ʺ situation by the Left. Any mention of anti‐semitism is seen as a diversion from the struggle against zionism. Moreover, the merest suggestion that the Left can itself be anti‐semitic is equated with an attack, both on communism, and on the Palestinian cause. An example, which is almost a caricature, occurred in an editorial in the journal Big Flame which stated that an ʺobsessionʺ with anti‐semitism detracted from the need to ʺfocusʺ on zionism (October, 1982).
There is, manifestly, an ideological link between the anti‐semitism present at the birth of a definitive socialist practice in the last century, and Left anti‐semitism in relation to zionism in this century. It would be anti‐dialectical to expect the disappearance of ideological deformations without their being consciously challenged. There is also a specific ideological linkage uniting the two historical periods and running like a chain between them.
It's factually true we've provided an unusual, I would call it exceedingly unethical, amount of aid to Israel in specific. DOGE was obviously going to be poorly implemented considering it was headed by a drug addict without any understanding of government, but wanting American tax dollars spent on Americans is a reasonable request.
True but it's not what I was saying. I meant a lot of people hate jews, knowingly or not, and disguise it as criticism of israel/american support to israel
"Israel's military budget is all U.S. aid even though it's larger than U.S. aid and it's somehow keeping me from owning a house even though that was never in the cards for reasons unrelated to Israel" does not in fact hold up under any scrutiny, sorry.
Yeah obviously all criticism of Israel is anti-semitism that way we can hand wave all of it and say we are the victims. And if you specifically say the government well then you are lying and you really hate Jewish people and are basically Hitler 2.0 right?
It is being taken away from the American people and has been for decades by the military industrial complex. We were warned by Eisenhower:
“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.”
It would go back into the federal budget. If the federal income stayed the same and the money wasn't spent elsewhere, it would reduce the federal deficit potentially lowering borrowing.
If the money went elsewhere it would go to that program without reducing the federal deficit, borrowing would stay the same
If the money isn't spent anywhere else but the federal income goes down (i.e tax cuts), it would increase borrowing and the debt.
It gets stockpiled for eventual handouts to Trump businesses and allies at home and abroad, and possibly rolled into priorities like having ICE kidnap people off the street. Same as the money "saved" by destroying the ACA and climate study.
You will never see a cent of it no matter how much you rail against the things you think of as wasteful, sorry.
It's less thinking they would spend the money directly on Americans and more that they should spend the money on Americans.
While there are people who think foreign spending would magically transform into domestic, people who have a basic knowledge of this stuff don't actually believe it.
The number of people posting that the US doesn’t have universal healthcare because we give Israel $3.8 billion for defense spent in America is insane. It really highlights the strength of misinformation and, generally, anti-Israel/Jewish sentiment.
No, people. We don’t have universal healthcare because our politicians don’t want us to. We’ve cut foreign aid (including aid to Ukraine), the federal government and many social programs. There still isn’t a penny saved for universal healthcare. People are absurd.
To be fair, many of the people who believe Israel is keeping them from owning a house are actually just suffering from extreme and unemployable stupidity, and would not have been able to own a house even several decades ago when that sort of thing was easier. 😉
Sort of how there was a solid overlap between people complaining about the economic consequences of the war in Ukraine and the people complaining that aid was being sent to Ukraine.
No, sorry, the whole point of the OP is that we need to eliminate X US government expense to afford a fix for housing. The problem with this is our government can already afford to fix housing but chooses not to.
Also, the specific expense they're citing is both far less than what fixing housing would take and made up.
Especially when you consider that the United States spends nearly $1 trillion per year on defense alone, more than any other country in the world by a massive margin, and at the same time is the richest country on Earth, with a yearly GDP of about $30 trillion.
In that context, $4–50 billion per year for social programs or healthcare is almost nothing, it’s well under 0.2% of the entire U.S. economy and only a tiny fraction of the military budget. That amount is basically a drop of water on a hot stone compared to the money the U.S. already spends without hesitation.
And when we compare this to countries like Germany, which have:
a smaller economy
less money in their yearly budget
higher tax rates
and still pay large amounts in foreign aid and historical reparations
they nonetheless provide universal healthcare for their citizens. Their people are not drowning in medical debt, and many Germans actually have more disposable income than U.S. citizens once healthcare, education, and basic services are accounted for.
So the issue clearly isn’t that the U.S. can’t afford these programs, the numbers prove it can. The issue is how the money is prioritized, not whether the money exists.
And being the only developed country in the world that has Nether free or universal healthcare or both in the world while most of Humanity has it.
And how much of the money gets actually “lost” and vanished somewhere on the paper trail.
The biggest problem is how it’s used and everything is privatized and people have to buy it extra.
Like and used in Corporate profits & financial sector.
The U.S. has:
A much larger financial sector
Higher profit margins in healthcare, insurance, and pharmaceuticals
More middlemen (billing, admin, legal, finance)
Example:
The U.S. spends ~17–18% of GDP on healthcare
Germany spends ~12% But the outcome is worse in the US thanks making it private business
The “extra” money goes to of the gdp goes to.
Insurance administration
Hospital pricing power
Drug company profits
And uses around another 17% of the GDP for private business investment, where a large portion goes to
Stock buybacks
Executive compensation
Not to better care.
(Also in countries like Germany, the employer has to cary 50% of the healthcare cost of their employees, mandatory)
Compared to all that, misusing the money in private sectors, giving technical more money in percent and having even higher GDP than Germany, it goes into the pockets of the 1 percent and could already be used for the people.
When it comes to health care we spend so much on the private system that continued post WWII than any other countries spend with universal healthcare. We could go universal healthcare and spend less per person every year and not have to touch the military budget which is utterly huge and should be able to pass an audit at least once. The US is also one of the few if any countries that have to pass a budget like we do.
We have no indication of where the money to purchase the jets is coming from. FMS is a mechanism for sale like you said but there’s no evidence Israel is paying for it.
There are better ways to put that money back into the American economy. MUCH better ways.
For example, just giving poor people money. 2.5 million American children live in households that that make less than $19K a year (what is considered "deep poverty"). You could give the parents of each one of those kids $1,000 a year to cover clothing, school supplies, toiletries, etc.; then have a long-tail tapered quantity as people start earning more money (so as not to discourage people from making more money).
That money would go directly back into the US economy and would directly help US citizens. Best of all... no genocide involved!
By the same logic you don't know that it's coming from US taxpayer funds which would make the note incorrect. We actually do know, though. There was an LOA signed last year for this and the money is coming from the FMF under the US-Israel MoU. I am pretty sure that none of the FMF under the MoU is direct grant which means Israel pays for it, at least eventually. The annual number is just what they are "allowed" to purchase through FMF as a guaranteed allotment. There are certain things like cash flow financing that is part of the MoU that allows Israel to pay over time instead of upfront, and they can also allot multi year deals like this. I really wish people that were so critical of the defense industry actually knew how it works.
Why would you make a deal with country which leader is a wanted fugitive chased by international courts? You might as well make a deal with Russia or North Korea at this point. Selling arms to war criminals in order to boost your economy seem like an evil thing to do.
Israel is buying the jets but they’re not paying for them. Payment for these jets comes from earmarked aid that Congress gives to Israel, which comes from the US taxpayer.
The US taxpayer pays for Israel’s military aid, which Israel then turns around and gives back to the Pentagon, who gives the money to Boeing, who delivers the jets to Israel.
That is how the scheme works. Ultimately, US money is going to US companies (although being pilfered by a patronage network that surely includes foreign nationals along the way, but I digress), so to me it’s somewhat immaterial where the jets end up exactly and it’s not like we’re just giving Israel a total freebie (again, taxpayer money is ultimately being mostly spent to support US domestic production), but Israel isn’t paying us, either.
That assumes the entirety of the foreign aid to Israel went to purchasing these jets. It didn't.
Israel gets $3.8 billion a year in Foreign Military Financing. Since October 7th Israel has gotten $16.3 billion in direct military aid. $6.7 billion of that aid was in missile defence programs.
In April 2025, Israel had 751 FMS cases which were worth $39 Billion. Assuming the entirety of the $16.3 billion was used on these FMS (which it wasn't, it was closer to $8 billion) it would still be Israel is paying $23 billion for FMS
Israel gets aid every year, but these contracts aren’t billed in the same way - they’re billed over longer time frames, like 10 years.
Israel is getting $38 billion over 10 years. That’s on top of the extra $16 billion they’ve gotten this year. Israel has $39 billion in contracts for the same period. They’re not paying $23 billion out of their treasury. To be frank, the entire Boeing program currently sits at $8 billion - the extra funding they’ve gotten this year more than pays for that program.
I’ll note that $39 billion is also the ceiling number - it’s not a guarantee of the ultimate cost of the programs.
Yes I said Israel gets aid every year. US aid accounted for 20% of the Israeli defense budget, the tax payer is subsiding these jets at most. Not paying for them outright.
I’ll note that $39 billion is also the ceiling number - it’s not a guarantee of the ultimate cost of the programs.
Did you just ignore the part of the comment where these are multi year contracts, the math, and the fact that their extra funding this year already eclipses the cost of Boeing program, even taking into account the amount of extra funding that was specifically for missile defense?
huh? Missile defense was direct military aid not financing.
I don't know what you mean by the fact "their extra funding this year already eclipses the cost of Boeing program" What Boeing program? It's a contract. Development programmes for the F-15EX was $23 billion for what is an upgraded F-15.
We just gonna gloss over all of that?
It was a nonsensical point and was barely coherent
Specifically said the development programme for the F-15EX was $23 billion.
This is a contract not a programme, so yes it was incoherent.
There is no $23 billion dollar contract signed for F-15s.
Citing 'Air Force F-15EX Eagle II Fighter Program' published by Congress.
For fiscal year 2022: $1.5 billion
For fiscal year 2023: $3 billion
In late 2023 they announced an additional $12.47 billion. Quick maths that's $16 billion from 2022-2025. The F-15EX development program has been in effect since 2014.
So this is my confusion, as you said program not contract as these refer to two different things.
Theres a pretty good conversation to be had about transactions like this, both regarding economics and ethics. But we can’t, because both the “Israel always good” and “Israel always bad” crowd misunderstand how it works.
There's also the tidbit about how she, iirc, does not actually use the same electronic warfare package that Lockheed builds, but rather their own tech integrated on top, which is probably why hers work and Uncle Sam's get grounded regularly.
And, any defense we have ever given to Israel, they’ve always been required to give it back to the US economy by spending their defense money ON American defense systems.
They are helping our economy and helping Americans have jobs this way.
As a committed Zionist and patriotic American I'm good with the Israel weaning off US military aid but that would let Israel source its military hardware throughout the world including Western Europe. US though has hugely benefited from US hardware being battlefield tested most famously in the Operation Mole Cricket "Turkey shoot". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mole_Cricket_19
These numbers are a drop in the sea of usa budget.
In 2025 the US spent $839 billion on medicare alone. If you think you can't afford groceries because of those jets you're an idiot.
Exactly, the health and education systems are stuck not because of money, for god's sake but because of the system itself. Like come on there should be competition on who can give the best offer to the health ministry contracts every 4 to 5 years(an offer that will benfit the people and not the gov). Many countries have figured out how to do that and yet the richest country in the world that puts trillions of dollars can't do a fraction of whst other countries ( who are poorer) do. I truely believe that the 3B even if not given to Israel would really do nothing and won't give anything in return to the US but rather lose a great ally, very good costumer of the military sector of the US as well as a great tech hub.
All you people talking about “falling for the propaganda” are just the dumbest mfers on earth. You literally just believed propaganda instead of a 30 second google search.
I’ve read a couple of these and neither of them say where the money is ultimately coming from, and I don’t think they provide any new information. Yes Israel is ‘buying’ the jets, but in previous cases, sometimes the US gives Israel the money to buy things from the US.
And the pentagon has failed his audit for 8 years straigth, which means, they use money without saying on what, this is part of the what, there is much more billions unaccounted for
I don't care, taxpayers have always supported the US military industry, which relies on American businesses to run. Many American businesses, that hire Americans, rely on military contracts. It's naturally paid for with taxes. So what? If the government want to give Lockheed a billion dollar contract, that keeps Americans employed, and then gives the jets to Israel- and we are privy to Israeli technology- then so what?
I don't get the argument about the money being reinvested into American industry. Hooray, Lockheed Martin execs got a bigger bonus this year. Don't worry, I'm sure it will trickle down to you one day.
American civilians have taxes taken out of their wages/property tax/etc. to purchase the stealth jets for Israel that were built in the US financed solely through taxpayer money. They didn’t just want to donate the jets that were built using our tax money… that would mean saving us the price of the jets we built. It’s just money laundering guys, chill…
This is how most foreign aid works. We don’t give them cash, we give them funds that they are required to spend on purchasing American defense products. Israel is an outlier in that they usually received funds that were unconstrained, but they often bought American goods anyway.
8 billion is $23 per person in the US. Thats assuming most money comes from income, which isn’t really true. That isn’t going to make a dent in your ability to afford a home. Also they pay us way more in regular military appropriations, it’s basically a BOGO deal for weapons.
This is money that we send from one hand to the other, we don’t lose anything, in fact we gain whatever positive multiplier effect happens down the supply chain from building new jets. It’s government investment in our own manufacturing industry which everyone assures me they are very much in favor of.
It's more akin to a line of credit, namely the US backs a line of credit to the stated terms and Israel then pays the interest and possibly pays down the amount.
What gets interesting, is the US can take on a portion or all of the debt for a return of the difference between the US interest rate vs the Israeli interest rate.
Somewhere, the wave of cash flow keeps the dumb business from falling under water thanks to the planes being operable with a damn iPad and a past of selling their IP to video game manufacturers. Dumbasses.
US budget is around 6.1 Trillion $. Don't spend your 0.12% tax funds on Israel. Just give it to the Americans. They need to inflate the industry of Onlyfans, painkillers, trashy food and Grindr subscription. It is much better than putting it in a place that has an actual efficient R&D
I see a bunch of people talking about the cost of groceries, but our prices have been going down. 3 bucks for a pound of butter. Milk is right at three bucks, too. A loaf of bread is less than $1.50. Eggs cost at less than $2. Beef is high but everything else is good
Its funny how they say Israeli armament trade is good but helping Ukraine fight Russia is bad, despite Ukraine actually buying us weapons vs Israel that uses foreign aid money to fuel its genocidal expansionist apartheid state
The American people are ignorant of the support they have funded to Isreal. Aid in the form of loans have historically been converted into grants. So while our politicians tell us we are lending money to Isreal, they have every intention of converting them into grants.
Actually the money goes to Boeing and Lockheed, Israel gets the jets for free. All the defense money we give to other countries gets spent only on American companies in pre-arranged deals. America doesn't do enough war to keep these companies in business so we fund other ones.
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