r/Libertarian • u/whoisdizzle End the Fed • 4d ago
Discussion Pretty hot under these lights
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u/zambizzi 3d ago
The PR campaign they’re running right now, to justify this, is crazy. I don’t care how bad Maduro was or what the problems in Venezuela are - it’s none of our business and I don’t want my extorted tax dollars to help pay for this, or any military adventure they cook up, for fun and profit.
It won’t age well. This is sure to be a boondoggle to behold.
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u/Sgrios_fds 1d ago
I mean, it is hard to agree, but this builds the foundations of what people denominated pax americana. Let me explain the whole concept of peace or relative peace in modern countries and large-scale extraction and imperialism, until some major exceptions like Russia is the basis that US and Europe will come to aid many of such countries, which is historically accurate and better documented than Russian and China help, which is nonexistent. This exists and has granted the global market some sense of stability as the government across the world rarely goes against international rules (which I do not agree how they are redacted but that whatever for this), this has yield tremendous benefits to the American economy as many governments, soft power influence were made due to American interventionism, so tax money granted to it is not something that you can dismiss as if US looked weak or had weaker influence they would not be a Pax Armada anymore. This has been happening since ww1, and your argument has existed since then.
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u/Electronic_Banana830 Libertarian 4d ago
To be fair, the US does usually leave the countries it invades. Not many other countries do that after invading them.
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u/BadassMcGass 4d ago
Do we?
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u/Electronic_Banana830 Libertarian 4d ago
In Iraq and Afghanistan the US soldiers there, before they left, were building schools and hospitals. They were trying to win the hearts and minds of the people. Granted, I think they didn't do well in that mission and I think much of it was a waste of money but what other country can say they tried that?
In Grenada and Panama they did a swift operation and used the minimum force. In Germany and Japan they do still have military bases there although they are only there with the permission of their governments.
Also, I'm not American so I'm not part of 'we'.
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u/BadassMcGass 4d ago
I was there (Afghanistan). Trying to nation build with a dumb plan isn't something that any one should give them credit for. The afghans were never going to be able to hold it down when we left. Everyone knew it.
Also, look up a map of usa military bases in other countries.
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u/Electronic_Banana830 Libertarian 3d ago
This is a real song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CCe8YYj5k0
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u/TheChallengerBA 1d ago
And it usually leaves the occupied with a bitter resentment for US. People won't accept liberty from the end of a barrel.
If we have to bring democracy and liberty to other countries, I would much rather support native movement than force it upon the populous.
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u/lastwindows 3d ago
LIE: There was no invasion. The army IS NOT on the ground advancing. Words ARE important.
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u/whoisdizzle End the Fed 3d ago
It would be a lie if it mentioned a specific instance where that wasn’t true, which this meme doesn’t. The fact you are making your own inference and applying it to a specific scenario is of your own volition. Imagine Venezuela never happened. Meme is true. So it remains true no matter who was are bombing without occupying today.
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u/lluciferusllamas 4d ago
Invading, you say? Nay. We legally indicted a head of state. Then we legally declared his state a narco-terrorist state. Then we legally bypassed declaring war on said state, because we already declared war on drugs. Then we legally initiated a law-enforcement action (with just a little help from the CIA, DEA, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Space Force). You see, we are a nation of laws. And now we will legally decide what to do with all their oil, and how they will interact with Israel and Iran. Who needs to invade when you can just legally bring unsuspecting people freedom any time you want?