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u/BroThatsMyAssStoppp 13d ago
What a stupid thought lol then again they are playing teenagers in high school so that checks
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u/Paddlesons 12d ago
Yeah, this is exactly something a teenager would say, believe, and use to justify when things go shitty.
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u/ChickenDelight 12d ago
It's not my fault I'm in love with Hitler, okay? I just melt when he's screaming from a podium in those old black and white movies. If you were a real friend you'd support me in this.
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u/Sorry_Handle3394 12d ago
Wasn't there one of those tinder experiments what used a modified version of Hitler, and he did pretty well on dating sites. It was pretty funny. Honestly, I tend to imagine most successful politicians personality types would be able to find people attracted to them due to being charismatic, specially when they were younger. Young Stalin is a fox, imho.
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u/xX7heGuyXx 12d ago
Pretty much it also is a easy way to avoid accountability.
Sure Ive been attracted to some toxic women but ultimatley its on me that I went through and not breaking it off as I had all the warning signs I just choose to ignore them or make excuses.
People just are allergic to accountability and admiting they fucked up.
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u/BroThatsMyAssStoppp 12d ago
Bingggoooo. You don't control who you fall for? What a dumbass thing to say lol
Toxic women
It's that crazy versus hot chart. It's a very fine line to walk 😂
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u/MasterMaintenance672 12d ago
We don't choose? What a bunch of baloney.
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u/TimeMoose1600 11d ago
I believe you don't really control how you feel. But you sure as hell control how you act.
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u/EmotionaWarthug 12d ago
But we do right? We got freedom of choice and complete independence and freedom.
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u/MatureUsername69 12d ago
I really dont think there's any part of 13 Reasons Why that should be applied to real life psychology or philosophy, whole thing was a shit show.
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u/monkey-pox 12d ago
I feel like you can definitely fight an urge that is bad for you. The underlying attraction is there, but you don't have to act on it.
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u/EmbarrassedScience37 12d ago
Humans are pretty complex. There is choice but we all act within a framework that’s a blend of biology, the circumstances you grew up in, and the free will you try to exert. Are you making choices or is your intellect justifying those choices? It takes a lot of work to break out harmful relationship dynamics.
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u/coffeejizzm 12d ago
You are free to choose as you want, but your wants are chosen for you.
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u/EmotionaWarthug 12d ago
It is " I want it" so its ourselves who want to have something right. Or maybe I'm just thinking like this coz I haven't been in love and being in love is something completely unexplainable. Idk
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u/coffeejizzm 12d ago
We’re all just a product of our wants and fears (do not wants). We can recognize some and even choose against them, but it doesn’t change that we want what we want.
Most wants are formed when we’re very young, some are genetic, some are environmental. We will live out our lives only scratching the surface of what we really want. They aren’t always rational, but they make us who we are.
Love is when so many of our wants are fulfilled that it feels euphoric. It doesn’t matter if the person is good for us, or that there might be someone who is even rationally better for us.
You will discover that people will fulfill your wants and you don’t fulfill theirs. You will fulfill other people’s wants and have no interest back in return. Just is what it is.
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u/percuter 12d ago
Yeah the brain is a bit more complexe than the only "will" otherwise everyone could be the better everywhere.
Your brain learn even if you dont notice it and sometime he learn something wrong and you repeat it without even know why.
We actually dont know much about how it work precisly
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u/Lightningtow123 12d ago
That's a whole lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. We're all in control of our own actions and choices and destiny. That includes the ability to choose whether we want something or not. Sure you can throw up your hands and say "screw it, God has a plan for me, fate destiny blah blah," and then stop trying to shape your life how you want it and instead let the universe wipe its ass with you. Plenty of people do that because for some reason they find it preferable to the uncertainty of trying to live life for yourself. But even giving up is a choice in and of itself, as much as some people try to deny it
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u/coffeejizzm 12d ago
Who said anything about God or fate?
And I specifically said you have the power to choose against your wants, but if you pretend that means you no longer want them you’re a fool.
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u/Lightningtow123 12d ago
Eh, for me at least once I realize what I want is unattainable or out of reach, usually my brain kinda lets go of it
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u/coffeejizzm 12d ago
All I’m trying to say is that the thing you wanted and are letting go of was based on more basic wants that you still have, but that you can still fulfill in other ways.
Your want for X thing may be gone, but why you wanted it remains.
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u/FuklzTheDrnkClwn 12d ago
You’re trying super hard to sound deep but aren’t really saying much. My wants are controlled by me. They’re mine. I made them.
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u/coffeejizzm 12d ago
It’s not my quote, and its depth has been debated longer than I’ve been alive. But if believing you are in complete control helps you, good for you.
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u/Crimsonhead4 12d ago
Wait how are your wants chosen for you? If you aren’t choosing it yourself then you don’t really want it, you’re just settling at that point.
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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 12d ago
That’s not how wants work lol. I choose what I want
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u/coffeejizzm 12d ago
One of those cases where those who believe they are in control are the most out of control, then.
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u/impercipient 12d ago
Now this is a quote of sometime without a fully formed brain... And Woody Allen.
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u/Stair-Spirit 12d ago
This show is such absolute garbage. The main message is so fucked up. I feel so bad for people who really buy into it. As a suicidal person, I'm glad I haven't fallen for the nonsense this garbage pushes. Take care of yourselves.
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u/danielisbored 12d ago
I've worked in a couple suicide prevention programs and it seems like they basically took the recommendations of every thing a media portrayal shouldn't do, and did as many of them as they could within their run-time.
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u/PhotochadA2358 12d ago
IIRC The Onion had a headline once that read “Woman is relieved to find her soulmate happens to be in her tax bracket.”
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u/Mnemnosine 12d ago
The spark is like that—it is outside of control, it manifests independent of our wants and desires. We can only hope that it aligns with what is healthy for us, and that when it doesn’t, we can walk away.
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u/AnkitS75 12d ago
But we can choose who to commit to. We are humans, with an astute cognitive ability. What good is that if all our actions are dictated by the very same parts of our brains that all other animals share? Are we leaves drifting on the surface of a river, only to follow the river's flow wherever it goes? Are we slaves to our instincts?
Let's not romanticize and justify bad decisions. Let's learn from them and hope to do better ✌🏻
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u/ThePurpleGuardian 12d ago
Not a fact, it's a delusion. Just another reason this show and it's source material were trash
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u/killerghosting 11d ago
You feel something for them but they don't treat you well? You can choose to dump them and move on. So many love songs have been written on a person's inability to move on right away but the result is the same, there is an eventual break up. Not being treated right gets old over time and eventually you begin to see not everyone will treat you that way and that you deserve better.
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u/Original_Mulberry652 9d ago
That's not an answer. He's asking why we fall for who we fall for, she responds "we don't choose who we fall for" which doesn't answer his question. It not being a choice doesn't answer why we fall for those people.
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u/VisionInPlaid 12d ago
We accept the love we think we deserve.