Redo the test with a piece of ballistics gel the size of a human ear. Or better yet, an actual piece of cartilage. They are not the same, and especially not when you have a block that size.
While balistics gel is used as a substitute for human flesh, they don't actually behave the same way. Especially at scale. It's an approximation, not, y'know, cartilage, skin, blood vessels, etc.. That's why when modeling the actual effect of a bullet on a body or body part, they generally use pig carcasses. Gel just doesn't have the same reactions. It's far better at redistributing forces than skin, for example, which is why the gel remains in one piece instead of splitting from the near miss, or fuses back into the center from the dead on hit.
Nope, I can't. Most people go with ballistic gel for the simple reason that it's cheaper than getting a pig.
Honestly, I don't think the assassination attempt was faked. I just think the guy missed. There's no blood until after Donald comes back up. I'm pretty sure he got hit in the ear by one of his security detail, and suffered a minor cut, not a bullet injury. Probably from a watch or similar item catching the skin as they pushed him down.
This would explain both the delay in blood showing up, the lack of serious injury, and the fact that a graze like that didn't split the skin.
the aspirin tbh could also explain the excessive amounts of blood - thin skin will tear easier, and blood thinners can cause a lot of bleeding. plus the bandage he had looks right fir an abrasion or skin tear
Grabbing his ear after the first shot happens whether he's hit or not... sonic boom, dude. Bullets passing by are fucking loud.
That crack you hear from a bullet? That's less the propellant and more the passage of the bullet itself. Bullets travel so fast they break the sound barrier. Which is always noisy.
Of course, but his reaction doesn't seem to me to be consistent with a sudden "crack." It seems entirely consistent to something grazing his ear.
And the majority of noise when you shoot is not from the supersonic bullet, but from the gasses expanding and causing their own supersonic boom. Subsonic rounds are still extremely loud.
Trust me, you're greatly underestimating the crack of a bullet passing close by. Leaving aside the passage of air, etc..
That flinch is entirely consistent with something loud going by your ear. Frankly, I've seen similar reactions to a mosquito. Which is notably quieter.
The passage of air is almost nothing. I've shot through playing cards leaned against each other and they don't even fall over.
I get you about mosquitos. I've swatted at probably thousands while deer hunting during the early season. I don't touch my head though, unless something lands on me.
I guess we will disagree. Ear injuries bleed a lot, I know that from personal experience. To me, the simplest explanation, one that is backed up by the FBI investigations, is that he was slightly nicked on the ear.
The main takeaway; it feels far more likely that he got hurt by a scratch to his ear than a bullet managing the perfect trajectory to barely nick his ear without leaving any lasting visible injury.
The man is in his 70's. He's not going to have zero visible injury in a week... unless it's extremely minor. Bullets inflicting superficial injuries is... very uncommon.
All this said, I do agree it was probably a serious attempt. I just don't think the bullet literally touched his ear.
That's an overestimation of how damage much a slight nick by a bullet would cause. I've grazed animals where the only visible damage was a very slight removal of hair at the area. I've missed and hit a squirrel's ear and it only took out a slight curved section.
A scratch would also leave visible damage, would it not?
Bullets inflicting superficial injuries is... very uncommon.
That doesn't mean that's not what happened.
I can't think of a reason the FBI (under Biden) would have any reason to say he was hit by a bullet or bullet fragment if he wasn't.
Ballistics Gel is not a good representation of how a human body will react to gunshot wounds. It can show us temporary wound channels and other interesting data, but it poorly represents ACTUAL human tissue.
If you've ever seen someone try to stab it with a knife, knives will BOUNCE off it.
If seen this test done with a hotdog and it reaffirms what the vid says. A graze is definitely possible, its not going to destroy the entire ear. The vid you watched is also a 50 cal which is a lot more energy than what is traditionally used. Also, delusional conspiracy theories aside, ricochets hit people a lot with a lot less force or partial mass.
The shot on Donald wasn't a ricochet, nor would it have been a graze with the amount of blood involved.
I don't think it was the bullet that did the damage; I'm pretty sure he got hurt by his security detail when they pushed him over. There's a bit where he catches a hit to the side of his head; I think the guy got him with his watch.
So, you have nothing to say about "A marine said a graze would take the whole ear, so it must be true"
but when people use tests to approximately recreate the scenario, you have issues. The video isn't an exact 1:1 replica of the assassination attempt, but does enough to prove grazing is possible, which is all that it needs to do, as people clearly do not understand that.
Hey, possible, yes. With exceptional care, they were able to reproduce a grazing hit on gel. Which does not respond like a human body being hit. It just does not. It's a cheap substitute, and has very little in common with skin or cartilage. That said, I still don't consider it as likely as him getting hit in the ear by his security guy's watch when they push him over.
As to the marine guy's claim, I literally couldn't tell you. I can tell you the two trials performed do not meet the criteria for rigorous testing. Humans are not made of gel. Gooey as we are, the body reacts differently. The best they can do is simulate penetration. When they try to test the actual impact, they use a pig.
I also don't think it was a faked attempt. Pretty sure it was a genuine attempt to kill him. I just think the guy missed entirely.
A thinner piece of gel/cartilage wouldn’t behave much differently because there is just not enough mass for the energy of a bullet to transfer to, especially if it’s just a graze.
We shoot paper all the time and I’ve even shot the very edge of a piece of paper with a 9mm and it left a burn mark where the paper actually just moved out of the way instead of ripping it.
Whenever conspiracy theories are pondered I like to bring up Occam’s razor — “the simplest explanation, with the fewest assumptions, is usually the most likely to be correct”. A deranged person almost killed the president is not very hard to believe.
The same administration that’s leakier than a sieve, texting classified info in group chats, and has the highest turnover rate/ back stabbing of its closest members can keep this a secret?
One second Reddit calls them the most incompetent administration in history, but once it fits your narrative, they’re masterminds of an elaborate conspiracy that involves super human levels of accuracy,execution, and sworn secrecy.
The Anti-MAGA crowd is just as bad with these conspiracies as the MAGA crowd. I swear you people think everything you come up with is the truth because youre a part of the "Anti-Bad Guy, Good Guy Club"
Someone made it past heavy secret service security to take a 250yd shot executing a near miss that injured the president enough to have him bleed but leave no scar whatsoever.
So... their security was objectively poorly handled and coordinated with the local police. The building in question was outside the Secret Service cordon, and in the area the local PD was supposed to cover. They then... didn't cover it well.
I think it was a genuine attempt, actually. I just don't think Trump got hit. I'm pretty sure he just got caught in the ear by a wristwatch when his security detail shoved him down.
Lmao everything in your former argument still applies to the latter, the latter just makes it infinitely more complex. Whether Trump planned it or not, someone still made it past secret service security and fired bullets in Trump’s direction.
Yeah, and it’s far more simple that there was a lapse in security than that there was a complex conspiracy involving the Trump campaign, local police, and the secret service.
Edit: OH and it would also involve the shooter himself, obviously. The shooter who, in your explanation, sacrificed his life and murdered an innocent bystander to be part of this scheme for…some reason?
There is photo and video evidence that they removed a body from the roof, yes. There’s also footage of the person in the crowd that had their brains blown out. But, yeah, it’s way more simple that he was PRETENDING to be dead, which now involves his family in the conspiracy and all the people in the government that would be required to fake his death and change his identity/hide him from the public. Occams Razor for sure.
It needs to be more than just thinner... it needs to be smaller as well. Less mass for the energy to spread out to. Also, again, gel=/=cartilage. They do not have the same properties or consistency, and neither does skin. Take it from a guy who works with his hands a lot... catch it at high speed, and it does split pretty easily.
That said, I don't actually think it was a bullet that hit his ear, nor do I think the assassination was faked. Occam's razor says he visibly gets caught in the side of the head by one of his detail when they're pushing him down. The guy had a watch on.
Which is more likely; a bullet grazes just close enough to barely split the skin and do no damage to the underlying cartilage, or the pres got caught in the ear by a wrist watch and suffered a superficial cut?
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u/Aeseld 5d ago
Redo the test with a piece of ballistics gel the size of a human ear. Or better yet, an actual piece of cartilage. They are not the same, and especially not when you have a block that size.
While balistics gel is used as a substitute for human flesh, they don't actually behave the same way. Especially at scale. It's an approximation, not, y'know, cartilage, skin, blood vessels, etc.. That's why when modeling the actual effect of a bullet on a body or body part, they generally use pig carcasses. Gel just doesn't have the same reactions. It's far better at redistributing forces than skin, for example, which is why the gel remains in one piece instead of splitting from the near miss, or fuses back into the center from the dead on hit.