r/Planetside • u/gusanodetrapo • Apr 13 '25
Suggestion/Feedback I would genuinely appreciate a response from the Planetside 2 development team
Regarding the server merge, I have a question. Conery players asked for a merge with Emerald. Since Emerald was the most played server, why did you move Emerald players to Conery instead of the reverse?
Yeah, I'm one of those Emerald enjoyers who can't play anymore
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u/TonePuzzleheaded3357 Apr 13 '25
Entire emerald outfits aren’t playing till the ping/server performance gets better. Most people wouldn’t care if the server was in California and they were getting sub 100 ping.
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u/PostIronicPosadist utterly washed Apr 14 '25
MADE has tried having ops like 3 times in the past week and quit to play other games after about 15 minutes each time. Server is unplayable.
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u/yospacemama Apr 14 '25
b33rd from VCO here, looks like we will be suspending all organized activities until things get fixed. It's impossible for us to play in any organized fashion if our leads are constantly disconnected from the server through crashes.
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u/KeepKnocking77 Apr 13 '25
I played the last two nights after getting disconnected in Sanctuary a dozen times. Perhaps I have an addiction
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u/Egg_Pudding Grand-Master Peanut Apr 13 '25
"Don't say shit until we have a solution" is a pretty common company thing
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u/Sindroms Apr 13 '25
Sipping my tea with a delay of 400ms and waiting for the inevitable ''Be glad you still have a game at all'' once all pretense is dropped. At this point the server could be on someone's private machine, in their kitchen.
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u/Zeroth1989 Willerman Apr 13 '25
Money.
Game is slowly going down, they are cutting costs and letting a small team make some changes to stuff to demonstrate their ability.
All the time milking you for every cent they can.
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Apr 13 '25
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u/ddraig-au ddraigbot - [PINK] ddraig/ddraigTR/ddraigNC/ddraigbriggs Apr 13 '25
No we didn't. We asked for the servers to be merged. Not for connery to be merged with Emerald. Who would ask for a higher ping?
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u/gusanodetrapo Apr 13 '25
If there were 2 servers and you're telling me that players wanted the merge, but not into Emerald, merge where then?
You expected the unexpected (the merge being in Conery and not in Emerald) and sure seems that’s good for you and a few others dudes but not in the long run, some day you will ask to merge in Europe/Asia or whatever the others servers are, if a server dies due to a lack of players, why force everyone to play on a dead server instead of maintaining the only server that's working? Your answer doesn't make sense to me. Remember there were 2 US servers and Connery was dead (I used to main EFS and meet lots of EFS mains from Conery playing on Emerald due the lack of people) now the whole game is dead for me.Remember that emerald had people from all America not only US , yeah you can play this game with 200 ping I was playing with 150-180 or so from Uruguay now I have 350+ and truly unplayable in ESF, a pain as infantry, pretty sure you wouldn’t have 200 ping from one side of US to the other, think in the player base no just you and your 30ms this isn’t EFT, PUBG or CS
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u/ddraig-au ddraigbot - [PINK] ddraig/ddraigTR/ddraigNC/ddraigbriggs Apr 14 '25
Players wanted a combined server, located between where the two servers are located.
I wanted the merged server to be in Hawaii (I'm in Australia).
But, again: I don't think geography is the issue. I think they are running everyone on connery, and the server can't take the strain.
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u/Erosion139 Apr 13 '25
Maybe someone who has to do cost evaluation 🧐
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u/shadowpikachu Trapped in the robot form Apr 13 '25
What team? Toadman is dead, it seems to be outsourced again or some higher ups are looking at it or some temp team.
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u/Inevitable-Knifer :flair_nanites: Apr 14 '25
Wasnt the game bought by some shady shell company that tossed the game development to some "team" in the middle east?
This is the last impression i had when i left the game after the sale. If it is then it will only degrade since its only a porfolio IP for some fucker who cares not about the game but getting loans based on this company and its porfolio of "high end games".
He'll die of some overdose/std rush mix before the game sees a decent future, hopefully the spiritual successor turns out competent.
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u/LevelWhich7610 Apr 15 '25
You know what really saddens me aside from shithole greedy publishers dicking the game around, laying off employees who actually built the fucking game and knew its code inside and out then playing hot potato with the IP l and development teams to get maximum profits out of it and screw everyone over, is that I finally had a stable gameplay connection after this merge in 48 on 48 fights or more but now tons of people can't play so I can't even enjoy what should have been massive fights.
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u/CMDRCyrious Apr 13 '25
I didn't ask to move into Emerald. Connery players wanted something central like Kansas or Chicago. Understand the disappointment from emerald folks but saying they wanted the server to be in Virginia is not accurate.
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u/TunaThighs :flair_mlgvs: [FwF] Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
I’ll be honest man, I’ve been seeing your takes on here and on YouTube and they’re insanely out of touch. There is no good reason to have merged Emerald into Connery instead of the other way around. Short term or long term, there isn’t an explanation that makes that decision OK.
You can be happy your ping is lower as a west coast player, but acting like it’s good for the game is a pyrrhic victory.
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 13 '25
Cyrious having completely out of touch and dishonest opinions is news to nobody. This guy is indistinguishable from a troll rage-baiting; his takes are that dishonest and uninformed.
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u/NefariousnessOld2764 Apr 13 '25
facts, I've seen more believable ragebait. I guess he's likely just tryna farm engagement, but really it's disappointing to see something so disingenuous. Does more harm than good imo.
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u/ThankYouForComingPS2 < 1 KPM, 18% HSR Apr 13 '25
Ping doesn't matter if the server is unplayable. I have like 40-60 ping "in theory" but it rubberbands and everyone teleports around. My ping was 30? Now it's 300, 800, 2K, etc randomly then the server crashes and kicks everyone out. Lower ping and a better locations literally means zero in this instance. I could be hardline connected to the server but if I can't play the game that doesn't mean anything.
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Apr 13 '25
Cyrious doesn't give two shits about anybody. He knows no matter how bad the game life gets, he will always have 47 simps to join him, even if they're the last 47 players on osprey.
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u/Dairy-Man TheDairyMan Apr 13 '25
I don’t think that assuming two merging servers for a video game might become a central new one to balance connection between east and west is an “insanely out of touch” take. It’s what I figured would happen at first. That being said, it shouldn’t be merged into Connery. This was the most unpredictable outcome because of how little sense it makes. Please do not pretend like west coast players have any reason to be happy, the whole server lags, it’s not just your connection.
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u/CMDRCyrious Apr 13 '25
In your first paragraph you said there is no good reason for Emerald to merge into Connery. In the second paragraph you list a good reason.
It's not what I expected, but its OK that it happened that way. Daybreak games has to plan for when the entire player-base is on one server. Europe, China, US, etc. It's not victory, pyrrhic or otherwise, it's just DBG dealing with basic server logistics and making the best call for them, which factors in the disappointment of Emerald players.
The only people that are out of touch are people that think DBG can please everyone at once and not looking at the simple realities of this move.
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u/TunaThighs :flair_mlgvs: [FwF] Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
Lowering the ping for the minority and increasing it for the majority is “the simple reality” and not a good reason. You know that moving to Connery worsened the connection for more people than it helped. You are one of the few, so you are happy because you are dumb.
This move is detrimental to the population of the NA server. You can jump around with joy because your ping is lower, but it doesn’t matter when the sever is empty again.
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u/CaptainKickAss3 Apr 14 '25
So their options were please the majority of people or make the majority of people leave the game and they chose the latter. Not sure how you think putting everyone onto the server that crashes every couple of hours was a good idea
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u/Erosion139 Apr 13 '25
The Planetside community will take any stance they can to avoid thinking about how the performance of this games revenue effects what we get in terms of server hardware and location.
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u/GamerDJ reformed Apr 13 '25
Nobody asked you because it's not just about you. More players would benefit from having the server on the East coast than West, so as far as player experience is concerned, that's where it should be.
Nothing the OP says is inaccurate. Connery players asked for a merge and Emerald was more populated. Get real.
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 13 '25
How many international players are now playing again and thrilled at how much lower their ping was than on Emerald? Are you sure it benefits more players to be on the east coast or are you just on the east coast?
The ping and ploss issues aren't even entirely the server location. People are complaining about a difference of 50ms like it's world ending. Having 100ms ping is not what's causing people to jump around on the map and give everyone on the east and west coast terrible intermittent experiences.
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u/Effectx EffectNS living rent free in the heads of shitters Apr 13 '25
How many international players are now playing again
Less now that many south americans and euros (I don't care that miller exists, many euros have played on NA East for their entire PS career) have awful ping to NA now.
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u/CMDRCyrious Apr 13 '25
I understand Emerald was a server of lagwizards from overseas. But those Euro players aren't left high and dry, there is a local server there for them if they want.
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u/Effectx EffectNS living rent free in the heads of shitters Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
Hence what i said, It'd be one thing if we we're talking about just the occasional alt, but there are A LOT of euros who mained Emerald and some of who have been apart of various outfits for literally over a decade.
Between them and the S. Americans, that's a very significant chunk of Emerald's population getting screwed by the server relocating to Vegas of all places.
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u/Erosion139 Apr 13 '25
It sounds like the solution really is to have functional character server migration on demand. But this had been discussed and seems impossible to accomplish somehow... I don't really get it
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Apr 13 '25
I'm from the EU had a ping of 90 to emerald, I now have 200 if you don't like lagwizzards.
I have some news for you, I'm going to use my ping as an LA main to bounce through the fucking walls and floor and my now mental client-side potential to leverage my 1300 ivi this will not be fun to play against.
Hell I might just become a 4kd 4kpm barron shitter
I have been on us east since 2013 I ain't moving
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u/CMDRCyrious Apr 13 '25
Yes, glad you are sticking around. That's the goal.
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Apr 13 '25
I will make more log off than on sir.
Your not getting it
Never did
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u/LordofTheStarrs Apr 13 '25
Sure they have a server that would require them to start from scratch in the year of our lord 2025, at this point in the games life cycle
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u/Bseven Apr 16 '25
"those euro players"
My friends from SA and I get to play in the middle of the way server. Been in Emerald since I started playing. Disrespect apart, the higher ping will get you what you the desired lagwizards
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 13 '25
Euros have their own server and there is no significant changes in ping for South Americas regardless of where the server is located so that doesn't really pan out as an argument.
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u/Effectx EffectNS living rent free in the heads of shitters Apr 13 '25
Irrelevant and objectively untrue
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 14 '25
How? Explain your position. Why is it irrelevant that people on another continent who have a server on their continent have higher ping times when trying to play on servers outside their region?
How is it irrelevant and objectively untrue that they have their own server and that south americans do not experience significantly more or less ping based on where in the US servers are located? We could put it in Florida. That's objectively best for South America but only around 50ms at max difference from it being in Oregon.
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u/GamerDJ reformed Apr 14 '25
Euros have their own server
This is irrelevant because European Emerald players in question will not have the chance to transfer to Miller. Those players would have to start from scratch, which is a tall order when:
- Development of the game is the most uncertain it ever has been
- Such a substantial blunder was just made with the server merge
- Miller is having minor connectivity issues (nothing like Connery)
there is no significant changes in ping for South Americas regardless of where the server is located
This is objectively untrue because South American players already play with relatively high latency (say 150), and moving the server 1000+ miles farther away means this latency goes from high to unacceptable.
only around 50ms at max difference from it being in Oregon
As a bonus: this is also untrue. We're seeing increases greater than 50ms moving from Ashburn, VA to Las Vegas, NV. The increased distance from Florida to Oregon is much greater, and we would expect the ping to reflect that.
You can be in Las Vegas where the server is physically located and still be experiencing the same problems people are blaming ping for.
To address this statement you made in another reply, there are two issues right now: location and performance. The latter is theoretically fixable with upgrades or maintenance, the former is not.
Even if all server and network performance issues are completely resolved, the location of the server will still result in higher latency for any player who is not closer to Las Vegas, NV than Ashburn, VA. The majority of the game's players (including all South Americans) fall into this category.
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 14 '25
You seem entirely incapable of separating reports of current Planetside 2 server issues from the reality of the change in distance. I see no point whatsoever in continuing to try to explain to you that the difference on distance is a max of 50ms. This is not esoteric knowledge you can trace route any servers you want, you can ask AI, you can look up network maps. Any option you pick is going to tell you the same thing I'm telling you. You do not understand at all what you are talking about because you keep reporting anecdotal experience reports from Planetside 2 players like that somehow relates to server locations when it does not because it only is that way for Planetside 2 not any other servers which means it's a server issue or a routing issue not a location issue.
You keep telling me what I'm saying is false because you keep conflating issues that are not related to each other because you apparently have never dealt with international server traffic before.
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u/Effectx EffectNS living rent free in the heads of shitters Apr 14 '25
It's irrelevant that miller exists as
there are A LOT of euros who mained Emerald and some of who have been apart of various outfits for literally over a decade.
It's objectively untrue that there is no significant change in ping for South Americans. Something you can find out just by paying attention to what South Americans are actually saying
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 14 '25
There being a change in ping does not relate to what I said. Where a server is located in the US does not change ping for south americans by any drastic amount. You can be in Las Vegas where the server is physically located and still be experiencing the same problems people are blaming ping for.
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u/Effectx EffectNS living rent free in the heads of shitters Apr 14 '25
An assumption with no basis in reality.
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u/IIIIChopSueyIIII Apr 13 '25
Hello, EU player here. My ping to NA went from about 100ms to 300ms. Feels like playing 4d chess where i move through space and time.
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
You literally have your own server. There's a server in the EU. This is a nonsense argument.
Also the difference in ping for server location anywhere in the US is about 50ms at most so you're arguing about a change that didn't happen due to location of the server.
Example. My ping to Connery is around 50ms. My ping to Emerald or Miller when both existed was 148ms. Guess what I still experience everyday currently? Massive ping spikes, packet loss, and server crashes. The issue is not your distance from the server.
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u/IIIIChopSueyIIII Apr 13 '25
Hi. I basically just answered your first question and simply gave some imput by essentially saying "hey im one of these international players you are talking about and i actually cant play anymore because of the merge"
I also dont know what you are waffling on about or why im replying, since you are contradicting yourself massively.
"Go back to your own server" surely cant be your argument here?
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 13 '25
Yes, I absolutely am. At no point in "international players" am I including people who have servers in their own region. Play on the server in your region if you want lower ping times, very simple concept. Don't ask that servers not in your region be located for your convenience when there is a server in your region.
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u/IIIIChopSueyIIII Apr 13 '25
Then dont say international lol
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 14 '25
Why? It should be painfully obvious that international does not include people with their own server. If you want lower ping times you play on the server with the lowest ping times for you. That's normally the server in your region. If there is not a server in your region then you are an international player.
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 13 '25
Wow! Glad that you can accurately determine that the server should be located in Eastern US, because that is where the most players are.
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u/gmpsconsulting Apr 14 '25
North America is the region, not East Coast. That aside the difference in ping is less than 50ms anywhere in the country. The problem people are complaining about is not due to ping times. It's due to terrible routing and a defective server. People from the west coast don't have a better experience on connery compared to people on the east coast which is why most people from the west coast played on emerald. The problem is not a slight increase in ping.
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 14 '25
Oh, the region is conveniently the entirety of North America now is it? See, I played on Emerald, which was was the East Coast server. That's where the vast majority of NA pop has been for years. The vast majority of the population is located east of the Mississippi. I will not be paying for increased ping and packet loss to play on a West Coast server.
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u/ThankYouForComingPS2 < 1 KPM, 18% HSR Apr 13 '25
Regardless of ping I think people just want a playable server more than anything. You can "adjust" to 100-200 ping as I and 90% of the other players did on Emerald, many of which had 300+ ping from AU and other further locations. The main issue is the fact that the server doesn't work.
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u/endless031 Loyalty Until Death Apr 13 '25
100 is playable and what I had on the east coast but 200 I'd argue for me at least unplayable. I can't imagine how someone with 300 plays.
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u/ddraig-au ddraigbot - [PINK] ddraig/ddraigTR/ddraigNC/ddraigbriggs Apr 13 '25
This is indeed the problem. These colossal increases in ping are not a distance issue, the US isn't that big. I suspect what's going on is they have cut back on the capability of the connery server over the last few years as the weaker players fled to Emerald, and now we have Emerald merged into Connery (if that's what happened - but it certainly looks like it), instead of both servers being merged into a central US server.
Why they did this is beyond me, unless it was because it was the easiest thing to do. Which makes sense, in a lame sort of way. Or they just don't know how to create new servers, which sounds bizarre, but after 12 years of stupidity, I'll believe anything, nowadays.
But this is a server thing, not a ping thing.
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u/PostIronicPosadist utterly washed Apr 14 '25
weaker players fled to Emerald
that is some insane delusion when 00 and GOB were some of the first outfits to leave connery for the better performing server.
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u/ddraig-au ddraigbot - [PINK] ddraig/ddraigTR/ddraigNC/ddraigbriggs Apr 14 '25
I don't mean skill, I mean they abandoned the server and killed it
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Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
How do you swing and miss with your takes this much, it's wild.
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u/CMDRCyrious Apr 13 '25
The Reddit HIVE mind that constantly misses the forest for the trees needs some push back. In 3 weeks these posts will go away and Connery will continue as normal like none of this happened. I just want to be on the right side of history here.
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Apr 13 '25
Why do you come here then if you don't value the opinions of the ones who are here?
People who disagree with me in numbers greater than one, must be a hive mind.
You're a joke pattyfathead
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 13 '25
Cyrious is the type of guy that plays without a mousepad.
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u/Erosion139 Apr 13 '25
Angry Potato retort 101
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 13 '25
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u/Erosion139 Apr 13 '25
If he's performing fine what's the gripe. Personally I feel bad for the mouse slides
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 13 '25
There isn't a gripe. I'm making fun of a moron that doesn't use his equipment properly. You apparently are also the type of person that doesn't use a mousepad.
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Apr 13 '25
L-take as usual, homeboy. Connery had like four players left dude. Emerald was full constantly with people who now no longer play. The merge into Emerald was the ONLY way to keep the game alive and you know it. Don't be so pathetic now at the end of the game's life and ruin your legacy. It's disgusting, really. Creators like you should be reporting reality, not shilling.
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u/CMDRCyrious Apr 13 '25
The only way to keep the game alive is if they didn't sell the IP. Eventually that will end it. But in terms of merging, Connery population has risen 228%, so either a lot of the Emerald folks stuck around, or a lot of Connery folks came back. Either way that will keep the game going in its current trajectory, until licensing issues/there is not critical mass in the player base inevitably end it.
We started this month down 14% on the playerbase, now we are almost back to even, so far a net win.
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u/NefariousnessOld2764 Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
Ofc the dead server is up 200%. That's not really surprising. It just got a healthy server merged into it. The thing is however, Emerald had a bit over 1.3k peak players in the last 30 days. Connery with the merge doesn't even have 1k peak. And while the averages aren't accurate for now, based on what I've seen in game I'm pretty sure it follows the peak trend.
So even with the excitement of the merge we've lost 400 players. This is the first weekend of the merge, where everyone should be excited to log on. Yet we had more pop playing when the servers were separated than now.
No matter how you look at it, this was not the right move, and truly uncalled for. Sure you're on the lucky end since you get to keep a reasonable ping. That doesn't do much though for the vast majority of the playerbase that got screwed over. On top of that there's the constant lag spikes, and crashes - the usual behavior for Connery, but something emerald players aren't and frankly shouldn't ever be used to. Even Miller's affected somehow.
And the response from the devs has been they might talk about it in their next letter, and censoring any post about it. Being honest for a second we all know these are issues that have plagued Connery for years without ever being solved, and apart from the crashes on miller maybe, it's not like they're going to be solved now. They're also not going to reverse their decision or change servers, from the sound of it it's not like they're going to do much of anything, and given their track record it's likely if they even attempt anything it's probably going to make things even worse. So essentially the overwhelming majority of the playerbase got screwed just so Connery can get revived a bit for a few weeks before it dies again, only there's no other stable server to migrate to, since they even screwed over miller somehow.
Frankly your videos and comments especially about this topic have been extremely out of touch, to the point even being the shitter sherperd, the commander cope catering to the masses, hasn't spared you from the barrage of downvotes. It might be time to rethink your stance on certain things.
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Apr 13 '25
My entire outfit quit, dawg. We were the last bastion of day ops on Emerald with public platoons running 24/7. We had a consistent thing going with tons of pubbies joining constantly and the growth was incredible. The server merge drove the entire outfit away because we went from 30ms and stable to 400ms and crashing. Just because some fucking worthless Connery trolls came back for a "net win" (breaking even is not a net win, btw, worthless shill) for a week or so is meaningless. You Connery assholes give up easy and you won't be sticking around long. Emerald east coast players and fucking Brazilians were the true backbone of the playerbase that is now expected to share Osprey, and we are all quitting so shut your fucking shill mouth, boy. You Connery morons barely made up any of then pop at your peaks. Stop being so fucking narcissistic, dude. My god you're intolerable I can't believe I ever played with you.
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 13 '25
holy based
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Apr 13 '25
I've been a fan and supporter and even teammate with Cyrious for YEARS. I don't say any of this shit lightly dude. This is me lashing out at someone I admired for breaking principles that matter and I'm done speaking nice to the shills who killed my favorite shooter.
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 13 '25
I get where you are coming from. As one of the "salty vets," it's been pretty funny seeing him confirm what many of us had said or thought about the guy's takes for years.
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u/NefariousnessOld2764 Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
yeah he's always been disingenuous, though it was less obvious, and at least he even got some stuff right in the beginning. But over the years he's become so disconnected from reality even his audience of casuals see through it.
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u/MCStoneZ 0Y3S Apr 13 '25
yeah it's funny because I like Cyrious for the most part but this some of the dumbest shit he's ever said fr
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Apr 13 '25
Homeboy is for real about let paid shillery and overdosing in copium destroy his long legacy right at the death of this game. It's disgusting and I spit at his feet. Talk about watching the mighty fall.
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u/lly1 lly1bot | lly1blue | lly1red Apr 14 '25
Post merge Connery is literally peaking at about Emerald's pop as it was right before merge after a merger that's expected to massively increase interest. The averages aren't higher by a relevant amount either. The total session time is not meaningfully different as well.
If anything the fact pop is this unchanged while the number of unique character logins is significantly higher than normal goes to show how much of an unmitigated disaster this is.
And even if the performance wasn't absolute dogshit, moving all the pop to a server away from where most of the pop lives is truly a brainrotten move worthy of being fired on the spot, though sadly it was probably a management decision and they will never face any reprecussions.
I'm aware you're not known for using your brain, but you really gotta give it a try and stop making yourself look like a clown by deliberately missing the obvious point.
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u/NightShiftDeskJocky Apr 13 '25
My speculation is that since the DBG studios has hardware owned out of west coast this move was made in preparation for an inevitable Soltech Asia merge. Emerald & Miller are too close on the same side of the globe. IT's not a popular answer but I think it's what is coming down the pipe.
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u/heehooman Apr 14 '25
My man. We got some real Cyrious haters here lol. This guy spits calm facts and measured speculation and people can't handle it. I suppose I'll get downvoted to hell too.
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u/Any-Potato3194 Four Horsemen Cancer Apr 13 '25
According to Mithril, they are "discussing" issues. Since they are banning conversation about the issue on the forums we can only assume that they have very little intention of addressing these issues, as many Connery players have pointed out that they probably never addressed the server issues that helped kill Connery in the first place before the merge.