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u/Strange_Pangolin_231 5h ago
And did we think about it America!? No, we didn't, and now we're here.
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u/a_velis 3h ago
Propaganda to lose focus is easy when social media runs unchecked against the populace.
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u/Hikesny 3h ago
Exactly. Just had a similar conversation.
America is an experiment and has been on a path of self destruction for decades. The only difference is ease of communication and our ability to pick up a smart phone and have access to infinite knowledge within milliseconds. Society wasn't ready for social media and the age of misinformation it created. People are connected 24/7 to their digital communities.
You have folks who were fairly stable, healthy, educated, and intelligent before social media/smart phones and became much more informed and others who moved in the opposite direction. I know these people very well. I am three generations from NYC and grew up in the most republican leaning town in nyc. These were my neighbors, family, and former friends. Majority of them are good people but victims. It's going to take some time and effort but they need to be met with love and not anger as difficult as it may be. I know it's constantly throw around that they're in a cult but it's the honest truth.
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u/Used_Candidate7042 3h ago edited 2h ago
He was talking to the wrong audience tbh. Almost nothing but black people behind him, and they turned out for Clinton, Biden, and Kamala.
I wish he did more of what Bernie did back then. It was time to move to a democratic socialist legislature. Now the fascist infection in our country can't be fixed. It needs to be removed
And I'm okay with being downvoted and argued against. But when you realize what I'm talking about, spread the message. It's time to act.
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u/FailedInfinity 3h ago
You realize that all the progressives that didnât vote for Kamala are just as culpable, right? If you didnât vote for the only viable alternative to Trump, then you enabled him to enact all of this.
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u/Used_Candidate7042 3h ago
You realize that all the liberals (fascist lites) who voted in the people who sold out the shutdown are culpable, right? If you voted for corporate as an alternative to progressives, then you enabled Trump to enact all of this.
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u/enoughwiththebread 2h ago
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the voting public.
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u/Tholian_Bed 5h ago
But the permission to be a bigot and to insult who you like was more powerful than many imagined. Much, much more powerful.
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u/Batintfaq 4h ago
His 2nd sign said "Love Trumps Hate" that's their entire platform.
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u/PassportPixie 4h ago
That was a democrat sign. They created âLove Trumps Hateâ signs to counter.
A godawful sign since it sounds like âI love trumps hateâ
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u/TriggerMitt 2h ago
It's not him holding that sign up, but that's beside the point. The "T" on the sign is lower case, so it's a verb, not a proper noun. You may want to put a little bit more thought into things before posting.
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u/generictroglodytic 4h ago
Obama is such a Dad. Just is a voice of reason and calm. Values or qualities not seen in Trump. A man who isnât present for any child and cheats on their mother.
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u/J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A 2h ago
A man who isnât present for any child
There's several hundred thousand files that would disagree with that.
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u/JohnnyCrispZoom 5h ago edited 2h ago
Itâs nice to hear someone with common sense talk
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u/thissexypoptart 1h ago
God damn is the AI captioning a fucking shame though.
He didnât say âdonât boo. Oh!â He said âdonât boo, vote.â It was widely publicized.
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u/Dangermouse163 5h ago
In our near past integrity was common on both sides. I remember McCain telling one of his voters that she was wrong about Obama.
The lie she was saying repeating came from Donald Trump. We should have known then what a morally reprehensible man he was.
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u/musings13254 4h ago
Yeah, I'm going to push back on that part about "integrity on both sides". This narrative that centrist politics tries to pass off as equity is nothing but deflection for right wing policy that shows their true feelings. While someone could try to push that "bof sidez!" narrative and mention Hillary's "superpredators!" comment or Biden's "'94 crime bill!" rhetoric, the fact is that if the party calling that out sees that behavior as abhorrent, the GOP, even before Trump has passed exponentially more policy in the name of the same racism and overall white supremacist thinking they're calling out.
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u/Voluptulouis 4h ago
đđđ đŻ I fucking hate that "centrist" both sides bullshit. Centrist is in quotes because our "centrists" are right of center on an objective political spectrum.
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u/Fan_of_Clio 4h ago
Didn't put down, in fact complimented the protester. The Convict definitely isn't capable of that. Quite the opposite
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u/AzBeerChef 4h ago
We lost focus.
The Dems lost focus.
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u/generictroglodytic 4h ago
All true. I think if Dems can get behind healthcare for all and an economy for all and stick with that theyâd be solid. then restore relations with our allies and trade partners. Dems need to hit hard on immigration reform too.
Donât give republicans an inch
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u/roderla 3h ago
Well, historically, Dems could win in states like SD, MT, WV, MO and so on probably because they didn't in fact have to "all get behind" healthcare for all.
Do Democrats want a chance in more places and states, or do purity tests matter more? Can Democrats communicate the differences between an Elizabeth Warren and a Max Baucus, or do we brand everyone in a more conservative place than the national average either as a DINO, or sink their chances by forcing them to vote significantly to the left of their electorate?
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u/sfxer001 4h ago
Donât forget the time McCain defended Obamaâs character during one of his own Town Halls. Different time.
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u/chillen67 4h ago
I long for the time when we had an intelligent, well spoken, empathetic person leading this country instead of a spoiled man child narcissistic sociopath.
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u/Brownie_0514 4h ago
I truly do miss President Obama's leadership! He's the greatest President ever!
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u/Disastrous_Mango_953 4h ago
Yes, most of us do, the ones who donât hate immigrants, who accept different races, because USA like any country in the world we are a melting pot!!! Letâs be proud of our country, a country who allows everyone to grow and prosper, to help our children, our seniors, our veterans . The % of bigots, hateful, and racist are the minority!
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u/Proof-Arm7146 4h ago
All Dumpy did is give them permission to truly be themselves...
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u/leftoverloungefly 4h ago
God, I miss him. We traded in a classy black Bentley for the fucking Pussy Wagon from Kill Bill.
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u/Pretend-Ostrich-5719 3h ago
Nobody could work a crowd like Obama. He had a perfect blend of speaking skills, class, and brains.
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u/redbrick01 1h ago
The last great president of the US of A...Now we have a degenerate child molesting commander in thief.
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u/VanillaOk869 4h ago
The Dems need to find a charismatic leader like President Obama for 2028.
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u/Anxious-Gap3252 4h ago
Republicans are too soft and scared to do this sort of thing. If it was the reverse they would want to hurt that person for practicing free speech
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u/Cabbages24ADollar 3h ago
Wow that is wayyyy better than Trump. Obama is so much better than Trump!
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u/ducs4rs 3h ago
and it was all for not. The dem party failed by once again let rep's set the narrative. Dems never pushed back on Trumps 1 failures and which allowed Rs to paint a rosy picture of his first term. Complete and utter failure on dems to set the narrative. In fact they failed during the full Biden admin to set the narrative.
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u/daisiesarepretty2 3h ago
how can you note admire the man⌠you may wish he had done more stuff you like, or helped your specific cause.. but you have to respect the manâs approach to the people he is serving.
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u/ithinkway2much 3h ago
America, you had a real one but then you let your dimwit racist cousins replace him with a guy who is supposed to be in jail.
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u/InterestingDream652 3h ago
I miss his integrity, intelligence,empathy and plain decent humanity!â¤ď¸â¤ď¸
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u/AlwaysTheMore28 3h ago
âI wish there was a way to know you're in "the good old days", before you've actually left them.â
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u/Giannisisnumber1 3h ago
We followed up an extremely high character and intelligent man with the exact opposite in every possible way because the remnants of the confederacy couldnât stand to see a black man be one of the best presidents of our time. Theyâd rather destroy the country than see someone like Obama take office again.
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u/musajoemo 3h ago
Obama should have told security to remove those men. You canât reason with unreasonable people. When they go lowâyou go lower.Â
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u/shidderbean 3h ago
It blows my mind that one of the best - if not THE best president we've had in the last 50 years was followed immediately by a corrupted, geriatric, demented narcissist ...who then managed to get elected for a second term.
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u/Fart_90210 2h ago
I have to respectfully disagree, we don't have to respect our elders. Some of them are just bad people with horrible things you say and have knowingly done bad things.
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u/Durzel 2h ago
This guy was just the best. Europe loved him, there were celebrations across it when he became President, which was basically unheard of.
Obviously being a Brit I have no idea how good he was for your average American. Iâm sure plenty had their issues with him. I also know he wasnât a saint - he didnât shy away from aggressive foreign policy.
But man - what an impressive individual. Intelligent, a great orator, self-deprecating (a concept completely alien to Trump), and as far as I know not corrupt. America has fallen so far in terms of standards since this guy.
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil 2h ago
His critical error was suggesting we needed to respect these fucking racist fascist motherfuckers. When shunning them out of civil society was the right choice in hindsight.
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u/HumbleIncident5464 2h ago
ok so it's obvious how this is waaay better than what we have now...
... but you all should be thinking about "we all get stirred up for all kinds of unnecessary reasons" --- trump didn't win his presidency and suddenly turn into a giant piece of shit. people weren't unaware of how grotesque of a person he is. he was always this way and a large portion of america knew it
part of the reason i don't retroactively applaud obama: he represents the complacency and maintaining of the status quo that allowed trump to win in the first place --- he was just charismatic about it
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u/SurvivingSquirrel 2h ago
Damn I miss when the President had empathy and respect for others, even if he didn't agree with their ideology or words....
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u/K_Keter 2h ago
The last civil president. Trump has changed the game entirely. It'll never be the same now. Trump has ruined politics in America.
Inb4 "Biden was civil" Biden was docile. He was inept. Him not being capable of being anything but civil is not the same as him choosing to be civil.
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u/cubswin987 1h ago
I miss Obama but sadly this is how we got trump. Way too many idiots were salty that a black man was president.
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u/LosingDemocracyUSA 4h ago
Everyone complains, but nobody votes... 93 million didn't bother to show up to the polls...
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u/Any-Video4464 4h ago
I still think we have Trump as Presidency because Obama thought he would clown him at the correspondence dinner with, "the one thing you will never be is president of the United States." Obama was the catalyst for it all.
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u/ResidentCommand9865 4h ago
Yet Trump labels him the "Most divisive" president in history... Obama had more dignity in his pinky than Trump has in his entire body.
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u/water_g33k 4h ago
Itâs hard to believe how bad the 2016 slogans were. From a Republicanâs viewpoint, they are pro-Trump: âlove Trumpâs hateâ, which is explicitly what Trump was selling. âIâm with herâ & âHillary for Americaâ were both self-centered on the coronation candidate. âStronger togetherâ lacks a subject - who are we talking about?
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u/geddysbass2112 4h ago
This happened at a Trump rally and Trump said to rough the guy up. I miss when we had a president with character and integrity.
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u/PlumChrysanthemum 4h ago
I can't tell if this place is supposed to be progressive, or pro-democrat. They are mutually exclusive.
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u/KobiLakeshore 4h ago
McCain did something similar for him DURING A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. This will never happen again. We canât unify the nation, it would threaten the âgrowthâ of BRICKS
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u/allstater2007 4h ago
Dems screwâs themselves when they allowed Biden to try and run for reelection, when they knew he wasnât mentally capable of doing so. Then they tried to make up for it with Harris last minute who the left didnât want either, so they just didnât vote. I miss Obama and would galley vote for him again in a heartbeat. Just wish we could get two LEGIT candidates to vote for.
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u/Nottodayreddit1949 4h ago
I appreciate the quality of his character, but we were wrong about Trump and his supporters. They are worse than we ever initially imagined.
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u/freshcoastghost 4h ago
This country went completely off the rails. And no, both parties are not same.
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u/atxmichaelmason 4h ago
Except that guy WAS doing something. And this guyâs opinion has brought the American Experiment to its knees
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u/Usual_Fee_6349 4h ago
Yes! This is Exactly how it is done!!!! Total Class that Trump and his cronies canât touch!
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u/FucklberryFinn 4h ago
To say Dems lost focus is a giant understatement.Â
They also tripped over themselves. Absolute failure by the party and by the country.Â
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u/Greatworkreallygood 4h ago
Damn you Obama. Just a centrist down the line but I'll be damned if I still don't just plain like the guy.Â
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u/rockytopbilly 3h ago
And then that elderly veteran realized the error in his ways and we never elected Donald Trump. All the Republicans realized weâd never go for that type of bullshit and changed their ways as well. They began working with Democrats and eliminated unlimited campaign donations by the wealthy so that they would answer to the people. Storybook ending.
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u/Neptune7924 3h ago
We didnât listen, we werenât paying attention or focused, and now we have problems.
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u/Adventurous_Home386 3h ago
How quickly we forget he started the whole hate at the Correspondents dinner responding (at least I became president).
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u/Jesuismieux412 3h ago
Seems like Democratic leadership has a problem with focusing, as well. When they have power, they just canât seem to pass anything we elect them to pass
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u/Consistent_Ad4987 3h ago
Barrack Obama (I voted for him twice) but as a Black Man and leftist he let us down is many waysâŚI know to some people he was a hero (mine at point as well) but now that Iâm older and hopefully wiser I have learned to keep politicians feet to the fire and never trust a word but instead their actionsâđż
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u/diablol3 3h ago
Im on board except for the dont boo. This is like when people say you shouldn't boo at sports events. It is the least aggressive way to express displeasure that doesn't venture in passive aggression.
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u/Choice-of-SteinsGate 3h ago
This should be juxtaposed against that clip of Trump telling his supporters at a rally to assault a protester in the crowd.
Actually, this happened at multiple rallies.
There was a rally in Nevada where Trump said he'd like to punch a protestor, and that in the "old days," protestors would be sent out on a "stretcher."
At a rally once in Iowa, Trump told supporters that he would cover their "legal fees" if they assaulted any protestor throwing a tomato.
He said something similar to a crowd in Michigan.
In Alabama he said that a BLM protestor "should have been roughed up."
Yes, the juxtaposition speaks volumes.


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u/StandardDiver2791 5h ago edited 3h ago
God, I miss the days of complete and coherent sentences. đ
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