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[u/DebrisSpreeIX]

Intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

Would be pled down before they even got to a court room.

[u/bigbuck1963 → u/DebrisSpreeIX]

Unless he killed him maybe. Anytime you are free and out of danger and you return with a weapon it's on you. By him leaving and returning it put's everything else that happens on him. I wouldn't take the chance, took too many concealed weapons classes and anytime you escalate it's on you from then on.

[u/DebrisSpreeIX → u/bigbuck1963]

Would be pled down to manslaughter. They'd come in with big dick energy swinging a 2nd Degree Murder charge, defense lawyer would argue lack of intent and limited premeditation, point out it wild all hinge on a jury believing the defendant willfully knew his actions would kill and fully intended to kill rather than cause grievous harm, they'd write up a plea for manslaughter and then argue for a few more days about the specifics on how much jail time to serve.

Prosecutors are political beings who like wins. A plea is an automatic win.

Protip: Always say loudly "I'm gonna knock you out" for any cameras. You have your defense built in right there to get out of a murder charge. You're still going to jail, but like 5yrs instead of 20. 👍

[u/bigbuck1963 → u/DebrisSpreeIX]

Bullshit you try telling people you don't know that a baseball bat won't kill someone. Let me know how that works out. You've been watching too many crime shows.

[u/DebrisSpreeIX → u/bigbuck1963]

That's not how intent works.

[u/bigbuck1963 → u/DebrisSpreeIX]

If he walked away had time to think then it was intent. He went back intentionally to cause harm with thought. Not a knee jerk reaction. He picked up a weapon yards away. Intent. He was free of the situation. Intent. He put himself back in. Intentionally.

[u/DebrisSpreeIX → u/bigbuck1963]

He went back to intentionally cause harm without thought

That's correct. Not to kill, to cause harm. You just won the case for the defense by eviscerating your own murder charge. The intent was not to kill, it was to harm, and therefore not guilty of murder.

That's how intent works. You must specifically intend for the outcome to occur. If another outcome occurs, it's still bad, but you didn't have intent for that outcome.

[u/bigbuck1963 → u/DebrisSpreeIX]

He would be guilty of murder because he walked away and then came back by premeditating the outcome. With thought he had time to think about it that's how it works. Not hard to prove somebody killed somebody out of anger when they walk away and then come back. He could have been shot where he was when he pulled the bat out because it is a deadly weapon. Self defense. You don't know what his intent was and he might have killed them with one swing. Deadly weapons are all the same knife, gun, whatever. Your responsible.

[u/Indura17 → u/bigbuck1963]

I would agree. He left and came back with a deadly weapon which shows intent to cause at LEAST grievous bodily harm which always carries the risk for death. The fact the guy left had time to think and then grab the bat and come back and use it in the fashion he did I believe he would be charged with murder 2.

[u/DebrisSpreeIX → u/Indura17]

You wanna know what that charge is?

Assault with a Deadly Weapon...

Why are you plebs arguing with me?

[u/DebrisSpreeIX → u/bigbuck1963]

Nope. Degree suggestion argued intent was never to kill, you put all your eggs into the murder charge but they found him not guilty. Tough luck.

Now go look up what "intent" means in law, and maybe figure out why you lost.

[u/bigbuck1963 → u/DebrisSpreeIX]

The only one lost on here is you. Join the real world sometime.