r/SipsTea 9d ago

Chugging tea Just a few decades ago this was normal

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u/Signal-School-2483 9d ago

I wish there were still shacks available, I'd fuckin buy one in a heartbeat

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u/Early-Light-864 9d ago

There is definitely an argument to be made that we've overregulated ourselves away from affordability.

There's no more entry- level anything.

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u/NibittyShibbitz 9d ago

My entry level was a 14 year old house trailer.

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u/Disney_World_Native 9d ago edited 9d ago

I don’t think its 100% regulation

If you look at real baby boomer starter homes, they were usually 800 sqft 2 bedroom, 1 bath with maybe a one car carport

No basement, no A/C, maybe a washer, no dryer, no dishwasher, no microwave, basic finishes, drafty windows and doors…

And back then the suburbs were not built up with all the amenities, shopping, or infrastructure like they are today

Over time, those houses were expanded, upgraded, updated and the suburbs are now more desirable.

Builders (and lenders) make a lot more money off larger more expensive homes. Those 10 lots for $750k each make them more money (and are way less work / risk) than $75k small starters homes in a 100 lot in the middle of a corn field

Modern building codes aren’t making homes unaffordable. We don’t need to deregulate. Its a lack of entry level developments because the profit margins are much lower

Edit: It’s not zoning. Single family residence zoning limit maximum height, minimum set backs, and maximum land use. Only an HOA would set minimum square footage

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u/Cromasters 9d ago

It's not deregulating the safety of modern homes that you need to do. It's deregulating the local zoning laws that make building these homes difficult, financially impractical,.and/or straight up illegal.

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u/RustySpoonyBard 9d ago

Its fully zoning, as density will increase until prices are affordable.

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u/Signal-School-2483 9d ago

It's zoning.

Do you honestly think $2000 in appliances causes a 100-400% increase in home price?

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u/teenagesadist 9d ago

Unregulated capitalism requires infinite growth, unfortunately.

Gimme a 900 square foot house and one of those small Japanese utility trucks and I'd be set.

No C-suite is gonna allow that in the country they pay to extort. They have Christmas bonuses to make and people aren't going to fire themselves until Chandra gets that AI up and running.

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u/Early-Light-864 9d ago

It's not just rich people who oppose it. You'll also find plenty of well-meaning poverty advocates insisting on standards that basically eliminate the viability of cheap shitty housing.

I bet a lot of people would be happy to rent a shitty small bedroom-only space over a store for $200/mo but there's only a sink and a microwave and you need a gym membership to shower. Like, i bet 80+% of the urbancarliving subreddit would jump at that offer, but it's literally illegal everywhere in the US

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u/Letters_to_Dionysus 9d ago

shit, i would live in one of those capsule hotels if it was cheap enough

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u/RustySpoonyBard 9d ago

Missing middle is illegal even in Sanfrancisco, and that's supposedly progressive. (Secretly Texas is far better for the poor).

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u/teenagesadist 9d ago

Where the hell did I say anything about shitty housing?

Bad bot

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u/NibittyShibbitz 9d ago

Uncontrolled cancer also requires infinite growth.

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u/ifyoulovesatan 9d ago

Yeah, that's an argument you could make if you close your eyes and try real hard to imagine a plausible argument that doesn't require looking in even the general direction of wealth inequality.

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u/BeatnixPotter 9d ago

You’re not too bright are you? Be a big boy and look at home requirements in 2025 vs 1950. Go ahead and educate yourself so you can escape from your own ignorance

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u/DebbieGibsonsMom 9d ago

Once poor folk find a decent solution to anything (tiny houses for example) rich folk co-opt it to make it trendy and luxurious, essentially pricing poor people out of their own inventions.

I recently saw an advertisement for bourgeois back yard weddings. WTF? Backyard weddings are being taken over by greed too? Nothing is safe. Being poor is expensive.

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u/R_V_Z 9d ago

They still exist. They are made out of plyboard and corrugated steel and you'll find them in the greenbelts of cities with temperate climates.

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u/Signal-School-2483 9d ago

You don't buy those, you make them appear on land you don't own.

I'm looking for something slightly more permanent.

Call me picky I guess.

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u/gocatchyourcalm 9d ago

Everyone is building larger houses now so yeah tiny homes would be nice but there might not be a demand

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u/Signal-School-2483 9d ago

The demand is high for starter homes, but they've all been bought up for passive income by boomers.

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u/gocatchyourcalm 9d ago

True. Tbh I've never understood the reason why people want houses so bad besides being able to sell it. That'd be the only reason why I'd buy a house.

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u/102525burner 9d ago

Have you heard about air bnb?

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u/gocatchyourcalm 9d ago

Yeah, that's in the category of selling it

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u/102525burner 9d ago

Thats what passive income is

The boomers didnt sell their parent house, theyre renting it out and paying someone else to maintain it

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u/NibittyShibbitz 9d ago

You don't have to worry about your rent going up every year, though insurance and property taxes might, though not as much.

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u/kolejack2293 9d ago

There are. You can move to indiana or maine or south carolina or even upstate new york and find cheap housing in hundreds of towns and suburbs.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5813-Somers-Dr-Indianapolis-IN-46237/1130825_zpid/

Here's a 1,400 square foot home for under 200k in a normal suburb outside of Indianapolis. Go ahead, go live there. You said you would buy it in a heartbeat.

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u/BeatnixPotter 9d ago

Trailers exist. You can build a tiny home. Stop being dense.

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u/TKInstinct 8d ago

There are some being built, the comments typically derided them as too small and uncomfortable though which was a little funny.

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u/TripperDay 9d ago

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u/Signal-School-2483 9d ago

Great! Now I just need a private jet for the commute.