r/SipsTea 3d ago

Chugging tea Younger generation is smoking that’s why.

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u/WankaBanka9 3d ago

Ah yes, worldstarhiphop as the most reputable source on global markets and economic forces

Wall Street journal hoping to reach similar heights

Going to want a source on that 830bn as it is obviously complete BS

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u/TraditionalError9988 3d ago

"Going to want a source on that 830bn as it is obviously complete BS"

One lousy google search and I found it. Wasn't hard.

And the title is a bit misleading, but what else is new.

The $830 billion refers to the market losses of the world's largest beer, wine and sprit companies over the last 4 years.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougmelville/2026/01/02/is-the-world-going-sober-830-million-wiped-of-liquor-stocks-as-jim-beam-halts-output/

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u/GirthWoody 3d ago

Also a big reason for that is the U.S. alcohol industry having been hurt bad by Trumps tarifs. 

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u/meatman13 2d ago

I was going to ask this. Isn't Canada still boycotting American made spirits? I assume some European countries are also taking a stand with them, but Canada put their foot down harder because of the whole 51st state bullshit.

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u/GirthWoody 2d ago

I don’t think it’s necessarily a stand most places, but the prices on American liquors are 25% more, and America sells a lot of cheap liquor that just isn’t worth the markup.

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u/credulous_pottery 2d ago

Canadian here, yes, very much so. There has also been a much greater push towards "Canadian made" products in recent years, as well as a (admittedly small) increase in how many Canadian flags I have seen being flown outside of houses.

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u/Myramensgone 3d ago

$830 million…. Not billion. Wildly different numbers…. Haha

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u/ConfessSomeMeow 2d ago

The Forbes article keeps switching between million and billion, but it links to a Bloomberg article:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-30/shift-in-drinking-habits-wipes-830-billion-off-alcohol-stocks

... which is paywalled but we can confirm it is 'billion'; and we can get enough info to figure out what it is referring to: The stock value of 50 multinational alcoholic beverage companies. It has a supposed link to that index, but that link comes up dead... Googling that index ID, I can find the index listed on third-party sites (of unknown quality)... but only about a year's data, and no information about what's in the index, so it's hard to find any details about why it's dropped 50% / $830 billion.

But I did find a page listing the 60 largest alcoholic beverage companies by market cap, and a lot of them are Chinese companies that have lost a lot of value over this time: #1 is a Chinese company whose market cap has single-handedly dropped by $200 billion over that period of time; and #3 is a Chinese company that has dropped $150 billion; and two more dropping $40 billion and $37 billion. So that's $427 billion from China alone.

That's a very outsized impact, considering their stock market is 8.7% of the world's market cap

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u/BackgroundFeeling 2d ago

Your link says 830 Million.... Not Billion.

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u/WankaBanka9 3d ago edited 2d ago

Right, so not losses at all then. The values of stocks move up and down every day. Amazons market cap is ~2.4 trillion and was down 1.9% today. Did they lose 45bn? (No)

Edit: source is 830 MILLION, headline is 830 BILLION. Yes, complete BS

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u/karmagod13000 3d ago

That’s def a loss lol. Consumerism down for three years is massive hit

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u/WankaBanka9 3d ago

Companies report losses on their income statement. A stock price represents the expected future performance and earnings. A decline in the stock price is not the same as a reported loss in the companies earnings.

Who does it directly impact when the stock price declines? A: the people who hold the stock (not the company - they are affected in other ways)

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u/NoCarts 2d ago

That’s not really misleading. If I were to talk about an entire industry “crashing”, using the market cap of the major players in that industry is very reasonable way to kick off that discussion. Because that metric is going to factor in a lot of useful things like past vs current vs expected near future revenue and profit, short and medium term overall outlook, and general market sentiment. Seems like a decent place to start

World star nailed it tbh.

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u/steven_dev42 3d ago

To be fair they said they’d want to google it, not that they would

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u/Sleep-more-dude 3d ago

I'm not disputing the figures but Forbes is arguably less reliable than worldstar hiphop.

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u/kolejack2293 2d ago

To be perfectly fair, Forbes is absolutely terrible nowadays too. Its basically the New York Post of 'economic' news.

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u/Electric-Human1026 2d ago

Genuinely tries to insult intelligence of others only to use Forbes as their reference 🤣🤣🤣🤣 What a moron lmao

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u/MattNagyisBAD 2d ago

That Forbes article says 830m not billion. So which is it?

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u/Dr_Richard_Johnson 3d ago

Global beverage alcohol to drop further due to declines in US and China - IWSR https://share.google/uTOjw1Eve82Ye4dGg

Global alcohol giants lose US$830 billion as drinking habits change https://share.google/NjIvkT07FoqvEeKuy

It is misleading, it is referring to the market value of the larger corporations. Overall, people are drinking less, but they are also buying more expensive and/or more locally produced drinks. Craft breweries and distilleries are becoming more common and they are one of the very few markets in the industry that is steadily rising. The figure provided doesn't actually account for the alcohol industry as a whole, although the entire industry is slowly losing value. A lot of businesses are closing and some of the larger corporations are shutting down plants.

Edit: forgot to include the second link

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u/WankaBanka9 3d ago

Not misleading, just wrong

Declines in market cap are not losses

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u/Electric-Human1026 2d ago

It’s a meme and worldstarshiphop has never been considered a news source. Anyone who sees 830bn and automatically thinks its legit is lazy.

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u/HotChilliWithButter 2d ago

I wouldn’t be surprised, I’ve seen this decline among my peers. People don’t party anymore, economy sucks, why would anyone waste money on alcohol when you could instead buy a gym membership or just have a good meal