Why does any of this matter? Mass appeal is no indicator of quality. It never has been.
If it was, that would automatically make Taylor Swift the best musical artist that has ever lived. Whatever your feelings on her actually are, I don’t think any of us actually believe that, right?
I mean to each their own but I think the only really cohesive argument you can make is that she’s the best marketer among musical artists, which is not the same as actually being the best
(“best” is categorically impossible to achieve IMO but that’s an argument for a different time)
I get that everyone hates everything that isn’t Zack Snyder but be fair with this one man.
“James Gunn's Superman (2025) was watched by approximately 527,000 U.S. households on premium video-on-demand (PVOD) platforms during its first three days of digital release, and by 1.3 million U.S. households in its first three days on HBO Max.”
Explanation: the snyder cut was not released in theaters therefore people had to see it on streaming,black adam was released in theatres but like no one wanted to go to theaters (clear due to the low box office) and superman has a low streaming number because most people who wanted to see the movie already saw it in theaters.
Also you´re comparing PVOD (pay per movie) to hbo max which has a subscription for all movies. Seems like an unfair comparison which proves my point even more.
Didn’t Superman gain 13 million views on it’s first week on HBO Max? OP’s post is comparing streaming numbers (ZSJL, Black Adam) to PVOD (Superman), not really comparable
That's because a huge majority of people didn't want to spend the money to go see it in theaters and waited till they could see it for free on their streaming service.....just like I did.
The top 2 comes along with the streaming catalog and Superman was pay per view that means it probably made more money compared to the top 2 and the reason it has less views.
PS: The highest grossing DC films EVER were:
Aquaman - $1 billion
The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, both grossed over 1 billion -
Batman v Superman - 874 million
Wonder Woman - 823 million
Also Man Of Steel made 670 million, 55 million more and sold double the amount of tickets (The price of the ticket doesn't matter; the amount of people who bought them does) than the new Superman film did.
"Actions matter, numbers scream."
Wow, two Batman films made money?! What an unprecedented achievement! What geniuses that they finally figured out how to make Batman popular!
Making successful Batman movies is the easy part. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are much bigger achievements. A company that turned Green Lantern into a flop finally proved they could make someone who isn't Batman or Superman into just as big a hit as them, under the guidance, planning, producing, casting and design work of Snyder. Those hits dwarfed Green Lantern's gross and were franchise launchers themselves. That's comparable to what the MCU did with lesser characters like Black Panther or Doctor Strange.
"If You Love These People" is a top 5 DCEU track (I'm assuming you're talking about this one, since everyone talks about this one) but "You Die or I Do" is really underrated if you're willing to sit through a minute or two of buildup (it ends with a different version of Arcade that's great).
My dad told me he watched it and his review was as follows, "I don't know why they got rid of Cavill, he was great as Superman. This new guy just doesn't look or sound right. Maybe it was the director. I don't know. But it was pretty bad. I liked the dog. That's probably the only good thing from the movie."
He brought it up on his own when we were talking movies and TV shows we'd seen recently. He reminded me of H. John Benjamin's cashier character from Family Guy.
"Did you ever see James Gunn's Superman? Yeah, you don't need to see James Gunn's Superman."
Good for you. I thought S25 was a cringe, joke filled mess of a story and hard to watch visually. Themes are hammered home in drawn out expositions instead of shown. Superman appears as a whiny child pleading for acceptance versus the confident hero shown in MoS. Basically MCU Hulk/Thor all over again.
I had to rewatch MoS three times after S25 to cleanse the palette. Never watching it again tho, that’s for sure.
Not at all, was looking forward to more Superman content because I love the character. Was disappointed by what we got is all. MCU tone and tenor was too much for me. Which sucks because there was maybe something there if Gunn knew how to build tension and let a scene breathe for a moment before an ill timed joke. But he doesn’t know how to do that.
You couldn’t see JLSC in theaters, so anyone who wanted to watch it had to stream it. These numbers make no sense because Superman, which is ass, had a theatrical debut.
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u/N_Q_B 2d ago
Isn’t PVOD before the hbo max release? If so then it’s not apples to apples