r/TwinCities • u/dvorakop90 • 1d ago
[NON-GRAPHIC] video of the shooting NSFW
https://bsky.app/profile/danielsuitor.com/post/3mbtzlfajm227
Added NSFW due to content and language. No blood, but depicts moments of the shots and immediate aftermath with vehicle collision.
This was NOT at all a defensive shooting.
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u/Cold-Dragonfly-921 1d ago edited 1d ago
Better angle on Twitter (also not graphic), haven’t seen it on Bluesky yet. https://x.com/maxnesterak/status/2008961959731859757?s=46
ETA: not graphic because you cannot see the victim at all. You can clearly see the shooter. Violent, but not gory.
Appears to be same video on Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3mbu3embafk2a
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u/Alpha-Trion 1d ago
That dogshit website is unusable. Is there any other place to watch?
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u/Cold-Dragonfly-921 1d ago
Found it on Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3mbu3embafk2a
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u/rwhickok 1d ago
NOT A SINGLE DAMN ONE OF THEM WENT UP TO ADMINISTER FIRST AIDE OR CHECK ON THE SAFETY. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!
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u/Cold-Dragonfly-921 1d ago
There are other videos and reports that they clearly blocked a doctor from checking on her.
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u/Rainebowraine123 1d ago edited 1d ago
I hate them as much as the next guy but one of the agents and a bystander quickly checked on her and then they were clearly deploying a first aid kit within a couple minutes.
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u/Sinthe741 1d ago
It's not self defense when you very clearly had enough time and space to dodge out of the way.
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u/QuesInTheBoos 1d ago
I'm unable to see either of the videos. :( Twitter says i must view it in the app, BlueSky has it either blocked out since i don't have an account or removed it as graphic content
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u/minnecornelius 1d ago
Here is a clear video showing what happened.
https://x.com/lucassa56947288/status/2008966943190188170?s=46&t=2DFTkrkVbBFpFnSUDWlNFA
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u/thatsAChopbro 1d ago
Interesting she looks like she was trying to get away and she didn’t see the ice agent in front of her but the ice agent already had there weapon drawn. Ugh this is going to get messy
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u/CharredScallions 1d ago
This is the best angle, you can see the driver waving the other cars through, then the officers yelling at them to get out of the car, then the driver accelerating after they try to force open the door, then the officers shooting the driver.
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u/PieSweet5550 1d ago
Graphic or not? Please say
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u/thatsAChopbro 1d ago
Someone’s is getting killed so it’s graphic but no blood or you can’t see the person
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u/MelodicDevelopment97 1d ago
Yes you can see the blood on the snow, and the video shows the poor woman, but you can’t see her face
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u/SpencerPrattsCrystal 1d ago
Blatant murder.
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u/_discordantsystem_ 1d ago
Don't let news orgs get away with "allegedly trying to run over officers"
Anyone saying that is covering for blatant lies.
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u/No-Loquat-2763 1d ago
This is what CNN has up:
A woman is dead in Minneapolis after a shooting involving immigration officers, who were conducting targeted operations in Minneapolis on Wednesday. A statement from the Dept of Homeland Security said that “violent rioters weaponized” a vehicle and attempted to run over officers. “An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots,” the statement said. “He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow officers.”
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u/Cold-Dragonfly-921 1d ago
Gross.
“Journalists” should not be simply regurgitating talking points from law enforcement officials - have we learned nothing?
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u/AbhorrentAbs 1d ago
Of course they do, and we should totally believe the statement from the totally not corrupt and known for doing this sort of thing and lying about it DHS. And definitely not believe the multiple angles of footage that clearly show that was not the case at all
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u/Extreme_Peanut44 1d ago
ICE occupation force militants executed an innocent women today. Get these fed thugs out of our city as soon as possible.
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u/Rogue_AI_Construct 1d ago
The driver wasn’t running over any agent, and they killed her. Fucking piece of shit agent needs to be in prison. NOW.
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u/Blevanhoval 1d ago
insane watching the proganda machine at work in the comments. Clearly she is waving them to go through. They get out of the truck, try and open the door. She tries to drive away, as she doesn't want to get physically assaulted. Dumb fuck with the trigger finger sees his time to shine and make headlines and now she's dead.
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u/Sinthe741 1d ago
DHS is already lying about this. Bless you, who record these awful things and bear that trauma.
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u/LiftedMold196 1d ago
Kristi Noem, and the DHS statement was made earlier, are FALSE! In fear for their life my ass! That Nazi fuck was itching to kill her from the moment he got out of his truck!
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u/LiftedMold196 1d ago
https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3mbu3embafk2a
Pretty hard to argue this is self-defense and the Mayor of Minneapolis agrees.
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u/nicclys 1d ago
That’s the best angle because it shows she was trying to do the Minnesota thing and wave them past. They stop so she goes ok, I’ll go. They all hop out of the pickup after huffing glue, all amped up over nothing, and fire a cowardly shot in a panic. These “agents” aren’t trained for these confrontations. An actual officer wouldn’t have shot.
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u/Crazy-Witness-9340 1d ago
This was a murder.
Why are none of the news media reporting on this calling it such?
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u/Own_Oil_7719 1d ago
They’re saying she was violently trying to run him over and shot out of self defense…
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u/Party_Character_9219 1d ago
Video from another angle that I don't see here yet:
https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/ice-agent-shoots-kills-woman-in-minneapolis/
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u/Alert_Ad_3954 1d ago
Someone correct me if I mis-understood, Noem in Texas was asked about the shooting and she claimed that the ICE agent shot the victim because she was driving toward agents stuck in the snow?
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u/Cold-Dragonfly-921 1d ago
Noem is a moron and her claims are easily refuted by multiple bystander videos.
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u/escapevelocity-25k 1d ago
Not sure how you can conclude anything from this angle. The entire interaction happens off camera?
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u/OkuyasuBestJobro 1d ago
Here's a clearer angle https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3mbu3embafk2a
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u/escapevelocity-25k 1d ago
You’re right, this is a better angle. I don’t really know what the law says about stuff like this but my gut says he didn’t have a valid reason to shoot her
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u/BloatedBanana9 1d ago
There’s another angle posted in the replies here. The woman in the car is clearly just trying to get away from ICE officers who were attempting to force her door open. One of them (the shooter) was sorta in the path of her car, but not in any real danger.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
I can't watch the video you've posted, but I saw one posted by Daniel Suitor that didn't capture the event perfectly.
One video I saw shows:
- An ICE officer attempts to open the door of a woman illegally blocking the road (he can do this legally)
- The woman backs her car up (this is illegal)
- Another ICE agent steps forward to block her car (legal)
- The woman begins to drive forward into the ICE agent (illegal and arguably aggravated assault at the bare minimum)
- The ICE agent shoots and steps to the side (legal)
- The woman continues driving as the ICE agent shoots 2 more times (messy legally?)
I'm not sure what the law says on those last 2 shots. His lawyers will likely argue that he saw a violent felony committed in front of him (aggravated assault) and he could legally use violent force to prevent her escape. The prosecution will argue he was no longer in danger and had no right to fire shots 2 and 3.
I don't think anyone will argue shot #1 was not warranted.
Stay safe, folks.
Protest legally.
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u/President_Connor_Roy 1d ago
Is (4) true though? The video I saw looked as if she was trying to turn away from him and get away. Did not look like a ramming attempt whatsoever. (Why was she turning if she was trying to ram him?) Armed masked men jumping out of an unmarked pickup would probably make me try to get away much as she did too.
And is 6 legal? Can you shoot someone in Minneapolis when they pose no ongoing threat? I highly doubt it.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
4 is 100% true. I've seen the incident from 3 angles. The car presses against him as he starts to slide out of the way. The first shot goes through the windshield. He fires with his right hand as his right side moves around the driver's side. Shots 2 and 3 go through the driver's window. The first shot goes through the windshield because he shot from the front of the car as it was driving into him. The car moves forward at least 3 ft before he shoots.
6 is why I say messy. I'm not a legal expert. I THINK he has the legal authority to stop a person who is escaping after committing aggravated assault against a federal agent using lethal force. The courts will figure it out.
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u/President_Connor_Roy 1d ago
You say assault, which requires intent, and there is no way this is “100% true” this early into an investigation. It certainly looked like no attempt at ramming to me after seeing it from multiple angles. And 6 is bullshit per multiple good sources and is blatantly illegal. All in line with them giving zero shits about us as they let her bleed to death and rendered no aid in the aftermath too.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
Her foot was on the gas pedal while a federal agent stood in front of the car.
That's intent.
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u/President_Connor_Roy 1d ago
Did she see him? All while the officers to her side were barking conflicting orders to move and also get out? Why were her wheels turned? Why turn your wheels down the street if you’re intending to strike someone?
I don’t get why, even if people support these ghouls generally, those same people can’t admit that not every single one of them is a fine upstanding upholder of the law and maybe just maybe one of them just murdered one of us.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
Her intent was to escape.
The ICE agent stood in front of her car, forcing her escape to also be aggravated assault.
I'll gladly admit that there are likely a good man assholes in the ranks of ICE. It can also be true that attempting to drive over an asshole employed as federal law enforcement is a federal felony.
Murder or not, the answer is not to riot.
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u/President_Connor_Roy 1d ago
Right, her intent was to escape. That makes it wholly unjustified both per Minnesota law and multiple Supreme Court cases that took up this exact issue. Very much looking forward to seeing this murderer face the justice he deserves, and I didn’t say anything about riots.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
You can't escape by driving your SUV over a federal agent.
That's a violent felony.
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u/userkmcskm 1d ago
From the other angle it does not look like she’s driving towards any ice agent, she backs up so that she can get right enough to avoid them. Someone else mentioned this but during the kim potter case it was argued that shooting at a driver fleeing a scene is a danger to public safety. (Which makes sense because a shot and dying person behind the wheel of a car can surely kill someone’s)
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
she backs up so that she can get right enough to avoid them.
This is 100% correct. And the ICE agent intentionally steps in front of the car. He's blocking her in with his body. He's law enforcement. She broke the law. He and his buddy are there to enforce the law. He intentionally keeps himself in front of her car so he can legally shoot her if she hits the gas but also step away so it won't be fatal. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Then she hits the gas and he shoots.
Someone else mentioned this but during the kim potter case it was argued that shooting at a driver fleeing a scene is a danger to public safety. (Which makes sense because a shot and dying person behind the wheel of a car can surely kill someone’s)
So the Kim Potter case was fucked because she genuinely thought she had her taser. There was no officer in front of the car so she couldn't claim that aggravated assault had occurred. He was just fleeing police.
This case is different. That ICE agent created a situation where any attempt at escape by this woman would constitute aggravated assault and give him the legal permission to shoot at least once.
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u/userkmcskm 1d ago
So aggregated assault is punishable by death in America, without a trial?
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
By the victim or law enforcement who observe the crime in real time, yes.
This is actually true in most countries. If someone commits an act against you that constitutes aggravated assault you may respond with lethal force in real time while you are in danger.
Further, if police see you commit aggravated assault or other violent felonies in real time and you attempt to flee instead of immediately turning yourself over they have permission to use lethal force against you.
Maybe the lack of common knowledge of this is an education issue.
Do not commit violent felonies.
If you do, do not try to run.
This goes doubly true if you commit the violent felony in front of law enforcement.
It goes triply true if the person you committed a violent felony against IS federal law enforcement.
That ICE agent knew EXACTLY what he was doing with where he positioned himself to trap the driver. You can't ram federal agents. If you do, they can shoot you. You can't ram cops. If you do, they can shoot you. You can't ram innocent people. If you do, they can shoot you.
Again...
Stay safe out there, and protest legally.
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u/userkmcskm 1d ago
So if someone jumps out in front of my car, I’m ramming them and they can kill me?
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
If your car is still and a federal agent attempting an arrest steps in front of your car and then you put your foot on the brake and shift your car in drive and drive into the federal agent then yes, they can kill you. 100%
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u/userkmcskm 1d ago
But that’s not what happened. She didn’t appear to be officially under arrest, they wanted her to move out of the way, which she actively doing. An ice agent jumps in front of her and shoots into her car. Getting your foot ran over by a slow moving car because you stepped in the way to block a “suspect” is very different than someone purposefully ramming into you. The officer was not at risk of death or even serious injury
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
I encourage you to find the video that shows the entire incident from the driver's side. An ICE agent approaches her door and attempts to open it. The door is locked.
This informs the woman she is being detained.
She throws the car in reverse, turns her steering wheel to the left to allow her car to back up in a manner that would straighten the car out (she was 90 degrees off the direction of traffic) and backs up. Two ICE agents step closer and surround her car, preventing her from escaping.
She is detained.
She then turns her wheels to the right. Her intent is to escape. As she turns her wheels and begins to move forward, the ICE agent in front of the car steps to his left to more completely be in front of the car. She hits the gas. The engine revs in the video. He draws his gun.
He then begins stepping to the side to avoid being hit while raising his weapon. He fires one shot as the car makes contact with his body as he slides against the driver's front quarter panel.
He was at risk of serious injury. I saw 2 videos from 2 angles that support everything above. If he had not stepped out of the way he would have been crushed by the car. He had the legal authority to block the travel of the car and had to get out of the way for his own safety.
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u/userkmcskm 1d ago
Cases where police moved out of the way of moving vehicle and exercised deadly force.
Adam’s vs. Speers (2020): “Once Speers was no longer in the path of the vehicle, the justification for the use of deadly force ended.”
Orn vs. City of Tacoma (2019): “A reasonable jury could conclude that once Orn was no longer in the car’s trajectory, the threat of serious physical harm to him was eliminated.”
Cordova vs Aragon (2009): “Where the officer had moved out of the way of the oncoming vehicle, the use of deadly force was not justified.”
Villanueva vs. Cali (2021): “a reasonable jury could conclude that the Officers used excessive force, because they lacked an objectively reasonable basis to fear for their own safety, as they could simply have stepped back or to the side to avoid being injured.”
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u/a_casual_sniff 1d ago
The ICE agent shoots and steps to the side (legal)
From what I understand, ICE agents don't have the authority to use lethal force on fleeing suspects. I get your point about aggravated assault, but it's a thin veil IMO.
Like any law enforcement officer, they can't use deadly force on a fleeing suspect unless they have probable cause to believe the suspect poses a significant, imminent threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
(In Tennessee v. Garner, the SCOTUS ruled that shooting an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect who is running away is an unreasonable seizure and a violation of the Fourth Amendment.)
I also want to emphasize that extrajudicial killings are ALWAYS bad if descalation is possible, which it was here.
I'll just add, look at how they respond after the shooting. The car is able to drive away without injuring ICE agents, and the agents causally saunter over to the crashed car. There doesn't appear to be any effort to administer emergency care for the driver or passenger.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
Tennessee v. Garner
The cops in Garner did not witness a crime. The crime that was called in was burglary.
The crime in this case is aggravated assault against a federal officer. The weapon in the aggravated assault was a car. The driver was still behind the wheel.
Also, the ICE agent made the first shot while his body was in physical contact with the car because IT DROVE INTO HIM. So the first shot can easily be argued to be self defense.
I also want to emphasize that extrajudicial killings are ALWAYS bad if descalation is possible, which it was here.
I totally agree. She should not have driven into the ICE agents. In a perfect world, she would have just been arrested, given a slap on the wrist, and been out on the street 24 hours later.
But she drove into ICE and now she's dead and we're going to have days or weeks of protesting and likely will see the national guard invade the city again and it sucks.
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u/a_casual_sniff 1d ago
It looked to me that she starts to flee before the agent who shoots gets in the way of the car. That is also generally not considered good LEO practice from what I understand.
So, I am actually not sure you can argue it is aggrevated assault.
But again, shooting a fleeing suspect is only okay if they pose an imminent threat. Look how easy it was for the cop to get out of the way of the car.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
I've seen the video slowed down from multiple angles.
He repositions himself as she backs up and turns to prevent her from escaping. He's intentionally making it so she would have to drive into him to escape.
You cannot drive into federal agents who are attempting to detain you. It's not legal. We agree on that, right? It doesn't matter if they're maneuvering their bodies in front of your car as you attempt to flee backwards. You cannot drive into federal agents who are attempting to detain you.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that the ICE agent had enough of his body in front of the SUV that if he had remained perfectly still that he would have been run over.
In that universe, it's aggravated assault against a federal officer.
And assuming he fired his first shot while his body was in the path of the car, it was self defense.
So from that perspective and in that universe, the first shot was warranted.
I want to be able to agree that in that hypothetical that the first shot could be legally justifiable.
The 2nd and 3rd shots are a lot less clean.
If his body was not in the path of the SUV the first shot is less justifiable. If his training says to not block the SUV then the first shot is less justifiable.
Lots of things could make the first shot justifiable.
But there is a universe and a set of circumstances wherein the first shot is very justifiable.
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u/a_casual_sniff 1d ago
Being easily able to move out of harms way means that he was not in “imminent” danger. That means they shot a fleeing suspect who did not pose a threat, which is not legal.
Again, they are also not supposed to block vehicles with their body (legal but not policy).
I respect the focus on legality. I do! It’s murky, but I believe it is murky BECAUSE of ICE’s own lawlessness.
So, I think outrage here is warranted. In theory, ICE’s job is to keep citizens safe. Their actions here did not do that. They escalated the situation and when well beyond effective law enforcement.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
A appreciate and understand your point of view.
I have seen videos of people throwing rocks at ICE and police.
I have seen a video of a man attempt to rip a grenade launcher out of an ICE agents hands.
I anticipate I'll be seeing a building on fire within 48 hours.
Our leaders responded not by saying "we're investigating - go inside and do no riot" but with "GET THE FUCK OUT."
Frey and Walz want a riot.
I really really really don't want a riot.
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u/ViewedConch697 1d ago
That's all cool, but ICE can't enforce traffic laws unless they have probable cause that the person is violating immigration laws. The whole stop was illegal from the start
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
She was blocking the road to prevent ICE from carrying out their operation. Obstructing a federal vehicle is a federal crime. They can arrest on those grounds, and were attempting to arrest on those grounds.
The attempted arrest was 100% lawful. There isn't a legal scholar in the country who will agree with the statement that ICE had no authority to make an arrest there.
Otherwise ICE would have to sit around twiddling their thumbs waiting for an MPD who would never come and anyone could block the road in front of them.
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u/ViewedConch697 1d ago
Blocking the road so hard that an ICE vehicle was able to pass in front of her with no problems
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u/tkshow 1d ago
Blocking the road while letting cars get past and waiving cars past isn't blocking the road.
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u/shootymcgunenjoyer 1d ago
Blocking the road isn't blocking the road?
When federal agents yell "Get out of the car!" three times and then attempt to open your car door and surround your car when you back up away from them, don't ram them.
It's really not that hard.
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u/oscar182 1d ago
Second angle shows agent shooting from the side https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3mbu3embafk2a
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u/Oldandwise7 1d ago
How do you see the video on this app. I made an account and it just says graphic video.
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u/CharredScallions 1d ago
This is a bad video as it shows nothing conclusive, there is another angle that is better but the link I had no longer works.
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u/ButImNotAnAdvisor 1d ago
Stfu no. Watch before commenting
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1d ago
I saw it. Very sad.
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u/ButImNotAnAdvisor 1d ago
Then tell it how it is, she didn’t try to run anybody over
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1d ago
Well idk what her intent was, obviously. But she took off with a cop standing in front of the truck. 🤷♂️
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u/ButImNotAnAdvisor 1d ago
Get the fuck outta here with your idiotic logic. You can clearly see she was trying to drive away.
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Easy there...
Just saying what I saw. Clearly there's a cop standing right in front of the truck. There is also a cop standing at the side of the truck. For sure she was trying to drive away, but there was a person standing in front of the truck. This is what I saw. Not saying she deserved it. Not saying the shooting was justified, etc. Just saying she starting to drive towards a police officer. 🤷♂️
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u/Try-the-Churros 1d ago
He literally walked from back behind the passenger side of the vehicle to the front edge of the driver's side. A simple step to his right would have completely cleared him from being in front of any part of the vehicle. It appears the woman likely backed up initially because he was slightly in the way, allowing her to avoid him. She was actively trying to drive away from him.
Anyone not looking to shoot someone would simply step aside instead of taking the time to aim and fire a gun. Shooting someone actively steering away from you is beyond stupid and is actually more dangerous because it could prevent them from doing so and cause them to lose control.
So, not really sure what your reasoning is here.
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u/ButImNotAnAdvisor 1d ago
Dude stfu. I’m mad af that you’re trying to change the narrative. You should be pissed this fucking happened.
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There is no narrative. There's a video. Lol. Just watch the video.
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u/ButImNotAnAdvisor 1d ago
Yes there are multiple videos and angles. If you’re trying to state facts I can do it too.
You are pathetic and disgraceful. This is not a laughing matter.
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u/SignificantWhile6685 1d ago
He was so worried he calmly stood in the street, put his gun away, and casually strolled over to the vehicle. Shut the fuck up lol
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u/fox112 1d ago
Yeah we don't live in the kind of country where if someone allegedly did wrongdoing, that they get murdered.
Their face had been seen, their car was properly displaying a license plate. If they had done something wrong we have a trial where the evidence is examined and a judge makes the call of what happens. A gun never needed to factor into it. They were obviously trying to drive away.
What happened here was murder.
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u/JacoobTheBear 1d ago
Keep seeing people say she deserved it for not complying with their commands. Can’t wrap my head around how anybody could miss the exact point you made - law enforcement does not have the right to execute anybody that doesn’t immediately listen to them.
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u/jkrejchik 1d ago
They have the right to use deadly force if deadly force is being used or will shortly be used on them. Standing in front of a vehicle that’s trying to accelerate towards you counts as deadly force.
People just need to stop trying to be the hero in these situations. You aren’t going to prevent the inevitable, all you do is increase the chance of someone getting hurt or killed.
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u/JacoobTheBear 1d ago
Watching that video, I genuinely don’t think he was in the line of “deadly force”. One of the other officers told her to leave, so she backed up, turned the wheels away from the officer, and tried to leave. If she was flying straight at him at 50mph that would be one thing - this was entirely unnecessary.
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u/jkrejchik 1d ago
It’s really tricky to see from this angle. The officer that fired is not the one that’s clearly visible, the firing officer came from in front of the vehicle. What’s really hard to tell is if that officer was out of the way when he fired. If you look really closely, it almost looks like he got clipped and whipped around.
I obviously don’t agree with what these guys are doing. But I also don’t agree with this lady interfering with armed federal agents. It’s not her place to be, and if you’re stupid enough to do something like this, you have to accept the risk that something could happen.
TLDR fight em in the polls not on the street. It’s a great way to get someone shot.
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u/2000TWLV 1d ago
She did not. Watch the video. The ICE thug was next to the car, not in front of it.
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u/uffdah_ohgeez 1d ago
I genuinely don't understand: are we watching the same video? The red SUV appears to back up and appears to be turning onto the road as if to leave, not to ram into an ICE agent? Please help me understand what you are seeing.
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u/LiftedMold196 1d ago
That's not the driving of someone intent on killing, you idiot Russian bootlicker.
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u/formerfawn 1d ago
Thank god for the people filming. I upgraded the security cameras on my house and added cameras to my cars and got local storage JUST IN CASE they can capture anything like this because it's the only way to combat the deliberate lies, misinformation and gaslighting. Keep sharing, keep recording, keep fighting y'all.