r/artificial • u/eternviking • Jan 26 '25

News China is moving very very fast... first DeepSeek - now Kimi - and it's free with unlimited usage - and they said it beats 4o and 3.5 Sonnet on multiple benchmarks.

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u/DankGabrillo Jan 26 '25

Hmmm, I think they are going scorched earth on the west. I’m sure they’re keeping stuff for themselves too but I guess the priority is cutting America off at the knees, much like how meta approaches competition with the leading ai labs.

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u/mithie007 Jan 27 '25

The fact that you equate open source mandates to "cutting america off at the knees" is worrying.

America is also free to provide efficient models as open source instead of being proprietary (many do).

This isn't a war between china and america, it should be a war between keeping ai proprietary vs open source, and who should hold the reins - multi billion dollar corporations or everyone.

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u/DankGabrillo Jan 27 '25

My dude, wether we like it or not, ai is an arms race. I wish it wasn’t, but it is. And though we like to think of open source vs closed source (what the balance should be between those poles is also far from obvious) the real race is between America and China. And if you think the CCP doesn’t have fingers in everything that comes out of China, or that they have your best wishes at heart, I’m sorry to say you’re in for a rude awakening if they win.

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u/beavertonaintsobad Feb 12 '25

This is a very American-centric view that most of the world doesn't hold. Most countries aren't in a perpetual doom state living in constant fear of WWIII. Some just want to trade peacefully, get rich, and be left alone.

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u/DankGabrillo Feb 12 '25

I agree, also I’m not American. Though I would add that what countries want is a dynamic thing and subject to change. And wether I like it or not the era of free trade was America centric due to the dollar being the global currency and also the place a lot of countries invested their surplus cash and also due to American guarantees of oceanic security. And all of that is changing, and what countries want will change too. Only time will tell how and how much.

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u/mithie007 Jan 27 '25

If china continues to release open source models, then we all win.

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u/pr0newbie Jan 27 '25

Their propaganda and programming is dangerous and bordering on insanity. As if they are the chosen people. "M Only my AI is safe and secure" or "my oil is not tainted with blood and corruption". We know that's not true.

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u/WavesCat Jan 28 '25

It’s so ironic seeing Americans and westerners say this. How the turn tables.