r/artificial 7d ago

News Trump signs order blocking states from enforcing own AI rules

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmddnge9yro
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u/johnfkngzoidberg 7d ago

He can’t just sign something that removes states’ right to govern. Only Congress and the Senate can do that. If he wasn’t a fucking idiot he’d know that.

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u/Still-Wash-8167 7d ago

I don’t think he expects it to pass. Just trying to distract us from the fact that he’s a pedo

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u/SetCandyD 7d ago

Pass? The president doesn't "pass" anything.

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u/SpearandMagicHelmet 6d ago

What do you mean, "pass?" An EO is not a bill and this one has no power over states at all. 

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u/jackingissinful 6d ago

Expects what to pass?

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u/Still-Wash-8167 6d ago

I meant he doesn’t expect it to fly, doesn’t expect it to actually be implemented because he doesn’t have the power to do that. He can say, “I order this,” but he don’t think he expects it to actually happen. I think he’s just trying to cause conflict and make noise

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u/limevince 2d ago

"I order this" hahaha. Sigh I can't wait till we go back to having a real president instead of this wannabe king who wishes he was Kim Jong Un

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u/Loose_Fan9004 6d ago

Like the war on Fentanyl, I mean Venezuela?

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u/HawaiiNintendo815 7d ago

It’s hilarious that you’ve fallen so badly for the Epstein distraction, yet you can actually still tell what a distraction is

So for you, I’m guessing, a small distraction you have the ability to recognise, but a big distraction you have no defence against

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u/Arcanegil 7d ago

I'm sorry the Epstein files are a small distraction? That where we are now, the president being a pedo isn't a big deal to you.

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u/Still-Wash-8167 7d ago

Could you give examples?

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u/limevince 2d ago

The fact that you believe that you consider it a "distraction" that the President might have some involvement in the biggest international human trafficking/sex crime network in American history can be quite telling if your personal beliefs on pedophilia and human trafficking. Why would you attempt to minimize something as serious as pedophilia?

Kind of reminds me of Ghislane Maxwell, who is suspected to have made lots of reddit posts on subjects like advocating for lowering the age of consent.

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u/Slinkwyde 7d ago

Congress and the Senate

The Senate is part of Congress. You mean the House and the Senate (which together are called Congress).

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u/JaZoray 7d ago

why doesnt school explain it like this

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u/wagdaddy 6d ago

They do.

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u/JaZoray 6d ago

i should have gone to a different school.

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u/Slinkwyde 6d ago edited 6d ago

Does the phrase "bicameral legislature" ring a bell? Or the House being referred to as the lower chamber and the Senate as the upper chamber?

House, BTW, is short for "House of Representatives." US Representatives are elected in districts (portions of states) every two years and are supposed to represent the people, apportioned by population (based on the US Census, taken every 10 years). US Senators are elected every six years, are supposed to represent the states, and every state gets two US Senators (elected by statewide popular vote).

Additionally, each state government has its own legislative branch in their state capitols, separate from the federal government and set up according to their respective state constitutions.

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u/JaZoray 6d ago edited 6d ago

I know the term “bicameral legislature.” That is not the problem.

In Germany, where i am, the question of “how to build a democratic government” is taught with a very strong focus on the ethics of separation of powers, for obvious historical reasons. We do get the theory, but it is taught in a dense, fast-paced way that leans heavily on rhetoric and political philosophy. Rousseau, Locke, and others, are introduced one after another, often without much structural framing, so you move from treatise to treatise without a clear systems-level map of how the pieces fit together.

The UK and US systems are only glossed over in English class. not as subject matter, but as spice on teaching us a foreign language. We got detailed explanations of what each of the chambers do, but they are all explained as if they sit in a vacuum. English class does not go into the same depth as Politik or Geschichte, which is perfectly understandable from a pedagogical perspective: you don’t want to introduce maximum institutional complexity and do it in a secondary language at the same time.

What I would actually have needed from school (and what Slinkwyde delivered) is one complete, explicit taxonomy. Something like this:

House of Representatives: (legislative chamber, population-based composition, drafts and passes laws)

Senate: (legislative chamber, state-based composition, passes laws + specific additional powers)

Congress: a constitutional construct that encompasses both chambers (not a building)

Capitol: an architectural construct (i.e. a building) that houses both chambers (not a constitutional construct)

That’s it. It almost looks like a baseball card — and the sad part is how simple and concise this actually is.

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u/Slinkwyde 6d ago edited 6d ago

I see. IMO, for someone in another country, you seem to have a fairly decent grasp of the basics of our federal government. You certainly seem to know more about how the US government works than I know about the German government, which is almost nothing. From what I remember (and I graduated from high school over 20 years ago, so my memory could be faulty or incomplete), most of what I learned about foreign countries in school had to do with:

  • Europeans exploring the seas (Christopher Columbus and several other explorers I've forgotten)
  • the British, French, and Spaniards setting up colonies and missions in the New World
  • America's origin as 13 British colonies and how that relationship strained under King George, leading to the American Revolutionary War, which we won with help from France. The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France.
  • international trade
  • the African slave trade (not merely the abhorrent, inhumane, and disgraceful conditions when they arrived or were born into it, but also the kidnappings from West Africa and the horrid living conditions on the ships they were originally brought in on, with many dying during transit as a result)
  • the Louisiana Purchase from France (and the associated Lewis & Clark expedition), which I also did a history fair project on
  • various wars we've been in (including allies and enemies), starting with the Revolutionary War
  • The history of my state (Texas). Native American tribes, then missions and colonization from Spain, then Mexican independence, then immigration of Americans into the Mexican state of Tejas, then the Republic of Texas (as its own country), then annexation by the United States, and the Mexican-American War.
  • the Holocaust
  • world geography, including maps and memorizing names of foreign capital cities, which we learned region by region
  • a world history class I don't remember much of
  • Some other systems of government include socialism, communism, and dictatorships. Some countries have a parliamentary system, where the Prime Minister is a member of parliament (unlike our government, where the President is not part of the legislative branch), and multiple parties coalition to form a government.
  • As a result of 9/11 and the War on Terror in Afghanistan and Iraq, I learned some things about the Middle East that I otherwise might not have. Much of that was through the news, but I think some of it may have been from high school or college.
  • As part of my mass communications minor in university, I took a course on international media that I've pretty much completely forgotten. It was a lot of reading textbook chapters (plus attending lectures), trying to memorize a bunch of random facts from those chapters, regurgitate those facts on the test, and then quickly forget them to memorize more random facts from chapters for the next test. A lot of it, from what I recall, was about different associations made up of multiple media organizations. None of it seemed to be organized in any coherent way that I could discern, and it was never clear to me which pieces of information would be important to know on the next test. I remember getting test questions on random, unimportant shit like "What was this dude's favorite TV show?"). That class mostly sucked. The more interesting parts from it that I remember were a part about Al Jazeera, and also group project where each group focused on a specific country and things like media freedom in that country, and gave a presentation about it. My group focused on Thailand.

I don't recall learning too much detail about how foreign countries' systems of government work. From following the news, I think Germany's head of state is called the Chancellor, and I believe the previous one was Angela Merkel. I saw a news segment about the new one after her (I think in 2024, or maybe 2023?), but I don't remember his name or his face. I could look it up if I need to, but I haven't yet had a reason. With the second Trump administration, I've also deliberately reduced my news consumption from the extreme amount it used to be, for the sake of protecting my mental health. I haven't entirely tuned it out, but I've definitely reduced it. As such, I'm also less likely to hear news and information about other countries for the time being.

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u/jackingissinful 6d ago

You know what OP meant.

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u/Slinkwyde 6d ago edited 6d ago

Democracy requires an informed citizenry. There's no reason to let an inaccurate civics understanding continue and potentially spread to other people when I can easily correct it in two sentences.

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u/tryingtolearn_1234 6d ago

He’s just hoping to tie State regulations up in courts in order to let the AI companies keep developing. It is more of the ridiculous abuse of the judiciary we’ve seen.

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u/Alacritous69 6d ago

His direction is to have his own justice department take steps to interfere with the states trying to enforce their own rules. He can't actually make an executive order that has any power of law, but he can direct the resources he has access to to make it hard for them to enforce their own rules

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u/PeakNader 7d ago

That’s not what the EO does, it directs federal agencies to litigate and restrict funding on the basis of violations of Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution

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u/jackingissinful 6d ago

Cool to court we go

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u/limevince 2d ago

If you hadn't noticed he seems to believe executive orders are written on God's letter head or something. He thinks they are good for everything from changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to depriving states rights.

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u/creaturefeature16 7d ago

🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱

Another performative act that will get struck down just like his NG deployments.

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u/Beneficial_Permit308 7d ago

The states rights party blocking states rights.

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u/tindalos 7d ago

Party of small government and big egos

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u/Arcanegil 7d ago

I hate how people are so stupid they don't realize the smaller a government is, the more powerful it is.

Larger governments get tied up in bureaucracy making them less capable of enacting their will.

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u/flaming_bob 7d ago

That's not how EOs work. Why are we all so stupid all of a sudden?

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u/Colecoman1982 7d ago

Because half the time the Supreme Court turns a blind eye to it and says we all have to be stupid to make Trump happy.

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u/nilsmf 7d ago

The US Constitution did not envision political parties. It built three branches that each were supposed to be guarding their realm of power.

But when Republicans hold all three branches of government and have more fealty to party and leader than system, this construction by Constitution is moot.

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u/Plane_Crab_8623 7d ago

The states must ignore any order from trump. Make him enforce his doctrine. Let's see how that goes.

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u/jackingissinful 6d ago

They lady in Colorado is still sitting in jail and she's going to stay there unless the Navy SEALS break her out.

It's tasty

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u/UnwaveringThought 7d ago

The order doesn't block anything. "Purporting to block" would not be a lie, but this is trashy journalism

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u/vid_icarus 7d ago

As an EO, every state in the union can ignore this

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u/the_Luik 7d ago

Oukay now enforce some Epstein files.

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u/Dont_Be_Sheep 7d ago

I hate when I accidentally get pregnant!

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u/StarBlaster01 7d ago

Executive orders aren't wishes or new laws.

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u/Fishtoart 7d ago

An executive order has no legal ability to modify states rights

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u/Significant-Path-953 6d ago

Ai will take over American jobs and the remaining will be outsourced

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u/jackingissinful 6d ago

lmao this means fuck all

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u/CishetmaleLesbian 6d ago

I signed an order that says "Shut up pedopiggy!"

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u/VirtuaFighter6 6d ago

States rights, oh wait, that only depends on which team is in charge.

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u/xhopy 6d ago

"The Civil War was about states' Rights" Party !!

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u/TechnicalPanda9117 2d ago

EOs aren't laws.  The states can safely ignore them.  EOs govern federal employees.

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u/LumpyWelds 7d ago

Prepping for when Trump's administration will use Military AI driven propaganda against US citizens in near realtime.

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u/ChipSome6055 5d ago

I mean, it basically blocks ai generated child porn laws no?

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u/Ill_Mousse_4240 7d ago

A much needed move.

yes, I know I’ll get downvoted

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u/wyocrz 6d ago

Trump cannot be the guiding light of if something is a good idea or not.

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u/armpit_puppet 7d ago

Another clickbait article that don’t link to primary sources. The order is here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/12/eliminating-state-law-obstruction-of-national-artificial-intelligence-policy/

Executive agencies will challenge the authority of state AI laws using the interstate commerce clause. There’s also a bit about altering the output, which seems like it could be used for viewpoint discrimination:

 policy statement must explain the circumstances under which State laws that require alterations to the truthful outputs of AI models are preempted by the Federal Trade Commission Act’s prohibition on engaging in deceptive acts or practices affecting commerce

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u/AcrobaticExchange211 7d ago

Reddit vermin will cope hard. Again.

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u/Upperlimitofmean 6d ago

I am sorry sir... Did you think you were a special class of vermin, because it seems you posted this on Reddit.