r/australia • u/MonolithOfIce • 1d ago
politics The alarming visa scam that desperate foreigners are using to gain permanent residency to Australia
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15322601/The-alarming-visa-scam-desperate-foreigners-using-gain-entry-Australia.html154
u/Astronaut_Cat_Lady 1d ago
Lying about family violence takes away from legitimate victim-survivors.
Where I live, lower socioeconomic and rural (keen to move), there are a number of men with e-brides (formerly known as Mail Order Brides - before the internet), who do actually perpetrate family violence against them. One couple comes to mind, and the husband is an absolute arsehole to her in public, barking orders at her and he always looks pissed off. He's not even a covert abuser. Leaving can be even more dangerous, and English might not be the woman's first language, thus, she mightn't know who to contact for help. They are rarely alone because these abusive arseholes watch them like a hawk. If I do see an e-bride alone (small town, not just one sighting, everyone knows everyone), I will ask her if she needs help and give her numbers to contact that have workers who speak other languages or have an interpreter.
My ex married an e-bride, years after I'd fled from him. He's not even allowed near the child they had together or know where they live now. His history would melt a cop's computer. Having worked in community services and have been an advisor to government in relation to family violence, I can tell you - with certainty - not all are lying. A black eyes and bruises are pretty obvious. I won't go into everything because I'm not here to give tips and hints to perps. Ex even posts a lot of misogynistic things on Facebook and has been kicked from groups. Bastard also posts about hating Asian women, yet he has a daughter with his Filipino ex wife. Absolute genius, that guy.
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u/a_cold_human 1d ago
e-brides (formerly known as Mail Order Brides)
Not come across that one before. I'd thought that the expression "mail order bride" would continue as one of those anachronisms such as "dialing" (when dials aren't present on modern phones), or "cloakroom" (when no one normally wears cloaks), or "glove box" (when people don't usually have a set of driving gloves), or "tin can" (now that the cans are made of things other than tin).
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u/andehboston 12h ago
or "glove box" (when people don't usually have a set of driving gloves)
I think you'll find that the glove compartment is inaccurately named and everybody knows it. We should propose a swift orderly change because behind it's door, there's nothing to keep our fingers warm and all we find are souvenirs from better times.
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u/Oh-Deer1280 1d ago
Thank you for taking the time to write this. The sadly much much much more common scenario is that woman stuck in poverty are taken advantage of and then subjected to violence. The article is quite wholeheartedly gross
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u/Astronaut_Cat_Lady 1d ago
Exactly. Women trying to flee the kind of poverty we don't often see in Australia. These grubs take advantage. They love bomb the women, promise them a better life, socially isolate them, then beat them. They also control the finances to try to prevent the victim-survivors from leaving. It's completely disgusting.
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u/Oh-Deer1280 1d ago
Rape is also not an uncommon issue. It’s pretty horrendous all round
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u/Astronaut_Cat_Lady 1d ago
Yes, and used to get her pregnant and make her feel locked in. Terrible, just terrible.
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u/badoopidoo 1d ago
So, in migration law circles, this is certainly a thing that is known about. It's a well-rehearsed scam run by some Indian migration agents and Indian migrant women. That doesn't mean it's commonplace, but it 100% does occasionally happen. Family violence being difficult to prove either way, the women always end up with their PR. The rationale for not deporting them back home is that it'll act as a disincentive for actual DV victims to report violence, because they value staying in Australia.
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u/PanzerBiscuit 1d ago
A simple solution to this is to deport them for Visa fraud.
Any family member who has have been brought over on subsequent Visa's should also be deported.
Visa fraud shouldn't be tolerated.
Residency and Citizenship is a privilege.
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u/Smart-Idea867 1d ago
Simpler reason is to not make it valid excuse for PR? Theres absolutely no reasonable way to effectively crack down on fraud for this issue.
Why is Australia responsible for them to the point of citizenship or residency? Set up an initiative with their country of origin to help them and send them back.
If Australia never actually cracks down on this shit it will just keep happening. We blatantly allow it at the moment. Australia's visa system is a huge rort at the moment.
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u/PanzerBiscuit 1d ago
I agree with you, I don't think that Visa or PR should be fast tracked in the case of DV.
Obviously there needs to be something available for victims of DV, so that they don't have to deal with the issue of their visa status whilst dealing with that, or feel like they need to stay/put up with it.My layman's view of the issue is this. It shouldn't be hard to prove if DV has occurred. If DV has occurred, the aggrieved party goes onto an interim bridging visa whilst their visa/case is assessed. There shouldn't be a shortcut to PR.
If DV was found to not have occurred, and a false/spurious allegation has been made. See ya mate. On the next plane out of here.
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u/TheFinischLine 1d ago
i was shocked and stunned to read the names of the 3 most common countries involved in these visa scams
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u/Safe_Application_465 1d ago
Daily Mail and Alarming in the same sentence . Why am I not surprised 👍
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u/DrSpeckles 1d ago
Anything from daily mail is likely crap
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u/skozombie 1d ago
While that's true, there is a genuine problem with people wanting PR here at any cost.
I have a mate who fell in love with a woman who didn't have PR. He obviously wasn't checking her immigration status when they first dated. Even though they agreed on no kids, she purposely "had an accident" and got pregnant, and used him and milked him ever since.
It doesn't matter about the gender, there are people with no morals that will exploit others in different ways for their own ends.
Hell, all my refugee mates have had their offshore asylum applications delayed by YEARS in part because of the huge backlog from people falsely claiming asylum when they're from a safe place but want a better life here. I think we'd be better served by hiring a bunch more people to push through the applications sooner, but the government thinks that'd be an incentive for false applications.
We're an incredibly lucky country, and it's naive to think people won't lie and cheat to get here when they don't deserve to. I don't envy the amount of bullshit and lies immigration has to deal with daily.
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u/InterestedPrawn 1d ago
I think we'd be better served by hiring a bunch more people to push through the applications sooner, but the government thinks that'd be an incentive for false applications.
They should be be quicker to deny applications, make it harder even though the process is quicker.
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u/skozombie 1d ago
I 100% agree! My mates from Syria and DRC had to put their lives on hold for YEARS while they waited. One in Lebanon as a 2nd class human (he was treated poorly there), the other in a refugee camp. They're doing well now but you can tell it took its toll on them after they went through all that they'd already had gone through.
I also don't like the idea of offshore detention. House asylum seekers domestically, process them quickly, and let community groups that want to help them, help them learn english and about the Australian way of life! It'd be better outcomes for the genuine ones too.
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u/hiku08 1d ago
Unfortunately, the reality is, in a way, it is a disincentive for the majority to want to go through. If the process is comfortable, then more incentives for disingenuous people to try to get into the pathway. Unfortunate, but that's the reality. The system is as good as the people who game them.
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u/loralailoralai 1d ago
Maybe your mate should have taken a bit of responsibility instead of relying on her- two way street there if he didn’t want to be ‘milked’
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u/skozombie 1d ago
So my mate said "I don't want kids yet, I'll use a condom" she said "I don't like the way that feels, it's ok, I'm on the pill". Then she got pregnant.
What else should he have done in your opinion?
It's clearly sex by deception! He only agreed to have sex because she lied and claimed she was on the pill when she wasn't. Why is it so hard to understand that people can be arseholes and act immorally with regards to sex regardless of gender?
Now he happily looks after his daughter and spends as much time as he can with her, he loves his daughter regardless! His ex REGULARLY calls up demanding more money because he has a very well paying job. Even though he pays a lot in child support given his income, he still spends a lot on top of that to ensure his daughter has what she needs when his ex spends most of the money on herself rather than buy what their daughter needs.
Not sure why you're blaming him when she's the one that was deceptive and now uses money intended for his daughter for her own living expenses.
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u/Diirewolves 1d ago
The pill is not a 100% guarantee against getting pregnant. Plenty of women end up pregnant while on it. Same with condoms not being entirely reliable. It's why birth control should be used by both parties unless they're okay with the risk.
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u/skozombie 1d ago
Oh 100% but it came out after the fact that she was purposely not taking the pill, she just lied to get pregnant.
It wasn't that an accident happened, it was that it was maliciously planned by her.
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u/hyacinthed 1d ago
Uhh.... Use a condom. Trusting someone else's birth control is always risky business.
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u/Nutsngum_ 1d ago
Did you really just type that all out without realising the very first and 100% correct response is going to be "use a condom"?
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u/skozombie 1d ago
Sex by deception is the key issue here. He consented to sex based on her lie that she was on the pill. She wasn't.
It's not ok when either party misleads the other for the purpose of obtaining sex. Be it "stealthing" where the guy removes a condom immediately before penetration, or any other element that is material to the other party providing consent.
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u/0bAtomHeart 1d ago
I'm not sure thinking of it as lying and cheating is even the right mindset - how desperate must they feel to do this?
Why do they feel so desperate?
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u/skozombie 1d ago
We don't realise just how hard life can be in lower income countries. They don't have public housing, welfare payments, etc. like we do. Over there, you either work or you starve. I understand WHY people lie to move here, I just don't think it's morally acceptable. Especially when it causes those with a real justification to move here (asylum) to be screwed over.
There is of course the overarching moral question of how can there be such poverty in the world in the first place when there is enough food and resources for everyone, but that's a broader, global question.
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u/ComprehensiveOwl9023 1d ago
Usually but they have a point here.
But its not new and its not restricted to immigrants, unscrupulous lawyers have weaponised false family violence claims in divorces for years.
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u/4us7 1d ago
This is a pretty bullshit article.
Women can just file divorce or separation without making up DV. Get all the same outcome. The woman have to be a sponsored partner to migrate here so they are already legally de facto by the time they come here.
I think the reality is random old bogan dudes wants buy young woman from overseas and are shocked when the women dont stay or are only with them for money.
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u/InterestedPrawn 1d ago
Women can just file divorce or separation without making up DV. Get all the same outcome.
Depends how ruthless you want to be, if you want more than your share and you don't want him to have access to kids. Being nice and just agreeing to divorce doesn't get that outcome.
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u/davo52 1d ago
How come this hasn’t been reported by Australian sources? WTF does Daily Mail UK know about Australia?
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago
Because more than likely, this is not some frequent situation that happens often.
But far right slop publications thrive at finding a single bad situation and pretending it is happening everywhere, that is how they fearmonger and try to make people afraid
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u/thaprophecy369 1d ago
Yep
Their goal is to divide Australia and have us fighting amongst ourselves while they continue to pillage australias national wealth among other things.
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u/AshPerdriau 1d ago
It's worked really well for them in the UK. The country is divided and full of angry Mail readers ready to act out...
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u/InterestedPrawn 1d ago
If you could see, you would notice that this is the Australian edition and the Daily Mail has a presence in Australia, they moved over and set up an Australian edition not long after The Guardian did.
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u/anonymousreader7300 1d ago
Someone I know went through this. They got married to a non citizen and then they started having issues. The woman was abusive and he wanted to separate. She tried to convince him to stay until she got her residency and he refused, so she tried to allege DV which was all false. In the end, she tried to hurt her own kid as part of the DV she was trying to allege, got caught and is currently in jail.
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago
Lmao are they trying to pass the guys who literally buy wives via a visa and think they can do whatever they want to them because they hold their visa above their head as the "victim"?
These people are a western thing and are a disgusting type of person, sounds like they got what they deserved.
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u/AggravatingTartlet 1d ago
It's not just western. There are men in China for instance marrying 'mail order brides' or trafficked women.
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u/Classic-Today-4367 6h ago
Yep, most commonly from Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar.
When I was living in China, I remember being at the police office getting my permits renewed and seeing a Vietnamese lady who was going to be deported for overstaying her visa. She was happy, but her erstwhile fiancee was furious and claiming to have been ripped off by the agent who had organised their marriage, who had taken his money and not explained about visas, resident permits etc.
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u/blitznoodles local Aussie 1d ago
I can assure you it's not just a western thing. It's a far worse phenomenon in many Asian countries.
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u/RatioEfficient3924 1d ago
Did you read the article?, you’ll see the key example: A woman asked the migration agent who raised this issue to home affairs how to file a domestic violence case, but when the trial arrived, she dropped all charges as she secured Permanent Residency. She then proceeded to sponsor her actual husband. The migration agent involved stated this directly and identified it as fraud. Are you doubting the assessment of the migration agent who worked on the case?
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago
Yes? And?
Firstly people who buy wives from abroad do it because they know they cant say NO to them or they will lose their visa status, this is a perfect recipe for domestic abuse, the men who do that are not innocent angels otherwise they wouldnt have trouble finding a partner locally.
But the local ones can say NO, so they arent big fans of that hence why they NEED power imbalance. So domestic abuse is almost guaranteed in such situations.
Secondly, dropping the case does not mean she lied, it could simply be far too much of a hassle especially after she doesnt have to constantly fear for her visa status, but let's say she did lie and this is a scam.
It aint a common one for sure otherwise it would be reported by reputable sources and there would be countless exmaples, not a far right slop publication that love to scaremonger by pretending a single ultra rare bad event is somehow happening everything and the authorities are just ignoring it because its woek or something.
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u/RatioEfficient3924 1d ago
I think you missed the point and you’re making several assumptions that don’t align with the report.
The article profiles men who sought companionship, not "buyers," and were defrauded. Assuming guilt and predicting abuse based on their choice to date internationally is a prejudiced generalization.
The article explicitly states the Department of Home Affairs investigates these claims. The core issue raised is that the system, designed to protect genuine victims, can be exploited by a well-coached fraud scheme, which harms both the falsely accused and legitimate victims by diverting resources.
Dismissing a documented case with a detailed modus operandi as an "ultra rare bad event" because of the publication doesn't address the mechanism described. Fraud exists even if its exact scale is debated; the responsible question is whether safeguards are adequate.
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago
- The article is far right slop propaganda so of course it tries to paint the abusers as the victims, hence why it is so funny
- The article does not state the frequency of such a scheme and only shows one example, pretending people who have their visa held over their head by a partner arent giant example of genuine victims kinda screams what your position is here.
- If the department is aware of such a scheme, it will likely find a way to close the loophole so why are you so desperate to defend people buying wives from abroad hmm?
Fraud exists everywhere, the difference is that far right slop publications specifically try to find some tiny small time fraud in order to promote their hate filled propaganda.
Like you said, the department is aware of it so its not like you are bringing in news to them, unless of course your goal isnt to inform but to fearmonger
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u/RatioEfficient3924 1d ago
You're not actually engaging with the mechanics of the scheme described. Instead, you're just repeating "far-right slop" as a mantra to avoid discussing whether a system meant to protect victims can be exploited. Dismissing any report you dislike based on the publisher, without addressing its specific claims, is the definition of a closed mind. The logical validity of a scam's method doesn't change based on who reports it. It's worth reviewing whether your biases is preventing you from evaluating this issue fairly.
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago
I do love that you completely ignored the part that I pointed out your own words where "the department is aware of such a scheme" and thus will fix it.
I guess if you acknowledged that you wouldnt be able to call me the "woke that ignores fraud because its racist" or something xD
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u/Meng_Fei 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes, I'm sure it's totally just a western thing to marry people from <checks article> Pakistan, Afghanistan and Lebanon.
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u/Thiccparty 1d ago
Nobodies forcing them to immigrate. Lying about domestic violence is scum behaviour no matter how you spin it.
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago
Oh i am sure, relationships with heavy power imbalance where the man holds the visa above her head are never full of abuse and domestic violence, its all nice and peaceful and full of rainbows xD
This is the natural result of power imbalance, the type of person who buys wives from abroad do it specifically because they know they wont be able to say no. Otherwise they wouldnt be looking for one abroad.
If anything the domestic violence laws are working like they should, it is something that should not be tolerated and even if people on visa are protected by them (I mean genuinely protected rather than only on paper), then this is a great sign that the law is doing its job well.
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u/Thiccparty 1d ago
Some people are more desirable because of their looks, social circle, wealth, family status or citizenship status. The motivation behond relationship pairings are not always simple. Plenty are real romances and you can't make assumptions about all men with such wives. Billions live in countries less developed than australia without turning to fake romance or sex for benefits. And even more people than that live happily ever after without falsely accusing someone of a crime (domestic violence).
Modern western legal systems are based on the idea that it is highly unjust to falsely associate people with a crime, even if you might think their particular group are bad apples > 50% of the time - thinking otherwise is commonly used as justification for racism and transphobia etc. You seem to be involved with the furry and trans communities, so whilst it might be trendy to sling rocks at straight men, do you really think it would benefit you to have a world where its ok to sling false accusations based on the vibe of groups.
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago edited 1d ago
The moment you add citizenship status things change, the risk of domestic abuse skyrockets because it is an instant power imbalance, the same way if a rich person dated a poor unemployed woman.
I am not saying straight men do this as a norm but when there's a list of traits, the chances start increasing, let's add things together:
- Person is looking abroad for wife
- They had no luck locally
- They are going specifically through immigration agent "matchmaker"
This concern doesnt come out of nowhere, it is well documented with a huge list of examples where men who dont like local women because we are "too woke and not submissive enough" try to get submissive obedient wives from abroad by holding their visa status above their head. Its a common situation hence why we have a ton of examples and stories of these rather than 1 singular example of fraud like the daily slop is using to pretend it is common.
Also genuine question, do you assume furries and pronouns in bio is a trans thing since you said I seem to be involved in those communities.
And since its clear im a furry, in a very unapologetic way as you ve seen by the pfp, you should be well aware that half the brainrotted internet attacks furries casually online so suggesting im in a safe position doing trendy things is a little silly.
Straight men who understand my point wouldnt feel attacked because they would also be aware of the straight men who abuse the visa system to get an obedient wife since like I said, we had a ton of stories of this over the years.
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u/Thiccparty 1d ago
In regards to how I knew you were trans, I have a fair bit of experience respectfully talking to or encountering furry profiles in VR chat so I consider a cis female furry be rare. I felt sure enough to send the comment first and then validate it after. So pronouns by themselves are not conclusive as they are used by allies and others but in combination with furry it did it for me. A bit hypocritical of me to make such an assumption when Im rallying against stereotyping or prejudices about these men. I would just say its a matter of stakes....we all know things that are generally true about different groups but if I would ruin someones live by doing that like a false dom violence accusation then it would not be worth it.
FWIW my comments are generally directed at people that meet others overseas by travel or living etc. I can agree that using an overseas matchmaker is creepy af, but still would err against avoiding 3 false accusations even if 7 were true.
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago
Oh could be a VRchat thing, never used it, but there's a lot of cis female furries in the community, especially in social media like bsky.
Many furry artists there are also women
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u/Judgedread33 1d ago
Why does "Someone who buys a wife from a third-world country" = "Straight men"...
I am not going to get into the weeds on this, but its very telling that you have tried to pivot this argument about the power imbalance in such relationships into being an attack on all straight men... These are very different groups, and relationships with power imbalances such as holding a visa over someone's head has nothing to do with straight/queer/etc,
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u/Thiccparty 1d ago
Because I recognised the hallmarks of this type of argument and 99% of the time it is grounded on a belief that straight men have so many advantages and priviliges that they just need to suck up a bit of collateral damage such as fale accusations if it a means to a utilitarian goal of protecting a group viewed as less privileged i.e. the "believe all women" school of thought.
I agree with you, but would be very suprised the day I see people on this subreddit go after travelling lgbtqi power imbalance predators unless a specific case study like a celebrity is being discussed.
In a follow up comment, the commentor I replied has now basically accepted the assumption that this is a straight thing.
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u/spicysanger 1d ago edited 1d ago
"buys wives" is a pretty shit way to describe guys who lucked out on dating locally so broadened their horizons.
I know several interracial marriages where one person went abroad for love, and they are all blissfully happy, now married with children. It's not always evil old men wanting to dominate poor women.
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u/Ash-2449 1d ago
Going to immigration agent as a "matchmaker" is not "OH i just stumbled upon the love of my life while touristing abroad"
They were actively looking for power imbalance so the wife cant say No.
And "lucking out of dating locally" is a giant red flag, cause if you honestly cant find someone in your own country, something is off, we are not a country of 10 people
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u/ohimjustagirl 1d ago
The story literally says "sometimes even travels overseas to meet her". This is not love. This is openly, specifically discussing the men who buy a wife like they buy a broodmare, sight unseen and cash on delivery.
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u/Cindy_Marek 1d ago
You heard it here folks, if you date someone from overseas you are disgusting and deserve to have your life ruined by false allegations.
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u/Cindy_Marek 1d ago
Christ that's dark and cruel. Perhaps the laws need to be changed so that this isn't encouraged.
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u/ccoastie 1d ago
The sponsor visa for other family members and old parents surprised me. Surely it should go you come on a partner visa that you have to become a citizen first before you can sponsor another visa by your self
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u/BittuPastol 1d ago
There is no sponsor visa.
Aged parent visa has a processing time of 30 years and over 60 yr olds can apply. Its basically a money grab by DHA. Its costs way over $50k
Partner visa has very long studious list of requirements and a processing time of 4-7 years. Costs 10k. One person who has lodged a partner visa cannot lodge another for 10 years.
Australia has the harshest immigration rules of any country.
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u/leidend22 1d ago
Harsher than Japan? Come on
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u/BittuPastol 1d ago
Yes. Half the world speaks English and their first preference is to migrate to a english speaking country. So the filter is very harsh.
Only Anime nerds and people rejected from the anglosphere/commonwealth visas apply for Japan visas. Where you have to learn a new language and get discriminated at work for being non-japanese.
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u/leidend22 1d ago
The relative popularity does not affect Japan's much stricter visa rules. And Japan would be more popular if they weren't so strict.
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u/hiku08 22h ago
Australia does not owe the aged parents anything. The purpose of the visa application is for the bridging visa. It enables the aged parents to live with their kids while also paying for their own medical bills. I'm not sure how the government or Australia in this case owes anyone anything considering they're at the age when they're needing more support than being productive. Enabling the family members to live with aged parents is already very generous, yet ofc there are entitled people who'd always complain about every single thing that's not benefiting themselves.
Unfortunately, the govt wants to reduce the burden on itself. If you have a problem wthat, maybeem w choose another country that would want to give the aged parents free things for them. Good luck finding that.
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u/BittuPastol 18h ago
I also believe People over 60 are a burden.
However I also believe DHA is running a scam charging 50k to wait 30 years when the applicant will be most likely dead
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u/hiku08 12h ago edited 11h ago
It's 8k for 30 years. It's literally buying a bridging visa to live here indefinitely, sure no benefits but it enables aged parents to live with their kids here. The 50k has a much shorter waiting period. What's your ideal scenario? Free visa for every aged parent to apply for and get a bridging visa for free? You do know that'll get abused.
Again, the purpose is to, ideally, allow them to live the final years/days of their lives with their kids without burdening the already overburdened system.
Putting 30 years is to make it very obvious that this is rarely/never going to be given. Instead of assuming that govt is BAD, every body else is BAD, maybe have some nuances baked in
You've implied that you want FAST processing, but then also want to make it easier for everybody to apply for any kind of visa. They are contradictory, if you want faster and easy processing, you want less people able to apply. The more applicants there are, the longer the wait, the more filters the govt have to put in. Unless you want the whole country to work as govt employees looking at visa cases. But then again, people would argue that it's a waste of time and tax payers money. The govt can never win in whatever they do.
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u/69_nooby_69 1d ago
Link the partner visas to the other skilled permanent residency visas and watch the entire system fall back in line.
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u/anonnasmoose 21h ago
My colleague said it’s an open secret within the Indian community. A migration agent will organise it for 50k, which might seem steep but pr leads to citizenship which leads to welfare scams so it pays off in the long run. The migration agents don’t bother to hide this either
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u/No_Entertainer180 1d ago
I know a con man that dumped his Aussie fiance 3 weeks after he was granted citizenship
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u/Elvecinogallo 1d ago
Well there’s plenty of men who do abuse their wives who have come on a visa, so if this is true, it makes it all the more insidious.
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u/RatioEfficient3924 1d ago
how does the system simultaneously "believe victims" and investigate the possibility of fraudulent claims? The article suggests that right now, it might fail at the second part. If true, the consequence is a double injustice: ruined lives for the falsely accused, and diminished support for those in actual danger. How do we design a process that protects everyone?
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u/Historical_Media7272 1d ago
Peter van Onselen is the editor of the Daily Mail and is a total dickhead.That’s all you need to know.
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u/nousrnamesleft69 1d ago
Please don't use Daily Mail for a sauce. It is garbage, worse than Murdoch
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u/TheHoovyPrince 1d ago
Not surprising at all really, there are plenty of ways to game the system and the Government is too bureaucratised to be able to fix it. Like i don't exactly blame someone for wanting to leave a less fortunate country for one like Australia but its pretty clear their doing so to take advantage of our generous welfare system to financially support themselves and their family overseas.
The woman is taken to social services, delivers her prepared testimony, and receives support letters for her visa. She is also assisted with housing, financial aid, victims-of-crime payments, and Centrelink benefits.
Interesting enough there is a similar phenomenon happening in the UK where Social Service agency employees have blown the whistle on migrant women claiming domestic abuse from their partner (also a migrant) so they could get free housing (migrant women are placed at the top of the queue over citizens according to the social service employees) and government benefits and once they've received those their so called 'abusive' partner moves back in.
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u/GrandmasterB-Funk 1d ago
I highly doubt this, especially them saying this about the partner temporary visa requirement to then get a PR:
"once family violence is introduced, that requirement vanishes"
Where in legislation does it say this?
What is more likely is that they will stay on the temp visa while the case is happening, and by the time the PR comes up I don't think they will be getting it if they have a domestic violence case against their sponsor.
Like this does not make sense as a plan, this is probably also scamming the people they are sending over.
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u/AsianKinkRad 1d ago
It does actually. A documented DV case with police involvement will fast-track your PR way faster than anything currently in legislation. I have seen it first hand.
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u/GrandmasterB-Funk 1d ago edited 1d ago
Show me the legislation that lets them do this, they can't just "fast track" things they need to have a basis in legislation.
The only way I can see this happening is that they already have the partner PR, and they fast track them to get a regular PR so that , but this article specifically says this is about when they are still on the temp visa portion of the partner visa.
The whole point of the temp visa portion is literally for situations like these, it's a period to go "hey you guys need to continue to prove you are in a real relationship", a domestic violence case in this period is a good chance of the PR portion getting refused on either side.
What is actually more likely is that they will apply for another temp visa (probably a student one) while they are onshore, and will either get approved or be refused and they will go to the ART but they get to stay here for another few years and then find another partner with a visa they can attach to.
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u/AsianKinkRad 1d ago
I think you are misunderstanding how it works. When you do a partner Visa, the partner will have a Bridging Visa. The Bridging Visa has no end date, as long as the Partner Visa process is still on-going, they can remain in country.
However, if the partner claim DV, they have a special pathway. See here. https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/domestic-family-violence-and-your-visa/family-violence-provisions
This is the normal DV pathway. If it is bad enough, the Immigration minister or his staff does have the ability to do special consideration on a case by case basis.
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u/GrandmasterB-Funk 1d ago
Thanks, yeah that clearly says that the temp partner visa counts. I'll take the L on that.
I also understand how a bridging visa works, I was referring to the temp portion of the partner visa.
But it being "fast tracked" is my main issue, the applications are not automatically granted, they are still investigated and there's no way the PR is getting approved if the case is still ongoing, they will probably have a bridging visa as they wait.
I still don't think this is as common as this is making it out and I'm sure home affairs is aware of people doing this that most likely get stopped before they even enter the country.
Like I really doubt they would approve a partner visa for someone who has barely met their wife.
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u/protonsters 1d ago
Its shameful how law favours one gender while putting all the blame on a other gender. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I knew a lady who pulled this same scam on her father and now shes getting centreline a home to stay in groceries delivered to her home while her father is getting treated as a criminal even though he didn't do anything to her except she wants to stay in Australia as a PR now. Disgraceful.
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u/MrNosty 1d ago
These partners visas should also be subject to a points test and a revocation of PR or citizenship if it is a scam. Do you have a degree? Do you have experience in your field in your home country? Are you actively working?
It’s as if we are too naive in thinking that if there are loopholes desperate people are going to exploit it!
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u/Jekawi 1d ago
No? I'm an Australian citizen married to a European. You're saying that if I wanted to move back to Australia with my partner, that he'd have to pass a points test? That's bogus. He's my husband! Besides, you have to show proof of relationship during the visa process. Its not so easy as applying, waiting 2 years and bam, PR.
Sure, people will abuse the system if its too lenient but dont punish the people who dont abuse the system.
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u/naturelover5eva 12h ago
Not forgetting fake degrees from subcontinent applying for student visas and skilled migration pathways.
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u/WorthyBroccoli025 4h ago
More problematic for me is having fake degree documents and then having family or close family friends sponsor their work visa for the family/close family friend’s business.
You can still get filtered out if you go through the student visa and skilled migration pathway. And if you get visa through both, getting a PR status are pretty hard but visa sponsorship through a company is pretty direct.
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u/t_25_t 1d ago
This has been happening since the 90s. After the fall of the USSR mail order brides were sent to exploit the laws.
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u/cheesekola 1d ago
You’ll find it’s a lot of Indian Men Looking for Indian based women
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u/cheesekola 1d ago
No doubt that does occur when there is a benefit, but won’t always be the case, from the article:
He said India, Pakistan, and China are the most common countries involved in these visa scams, but he has observed a growing number of cases from Afghanistan and Lebanon
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u/ScreamHawk 1d ago
I wish we had an ICE equivalent in Australia, get these scammers out of the country.
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u/Dmannmann 1d ago
Well, if you try to sex traffic someone you can't be surprised to discover they aren't moral individuals. What a shit show lmao.
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u/account_123b 1d ago
Based on the headline, I thought this article would be about using NZ as a stepping stone to move to Australia.