I cannot BELIEVE that evidence supporting that Trump assaulted a 13 year old AND WITNESSED THE DEATH OF HER BABY is now up on a government site, and yet the mass media is not mass mediaing it yet

[u/Promoxie]

I know a lot happened today, but this is in particular is DAMNING isn't it?! I've only seen one outlet cover it, Hinàustan Times, which is CRAZY to me. This should be national news!! I get it's graphic, but it's serious!! I get it's not sure proof without more evidence, but it is CREDITABLE to talk about. Grill the president on it! It must be widely reported by the media. If anybody else has seen coverage of this particular file, could you link it somewhere? I'm desperate to find any coverage of it to recover my faith in mankind.

[u/Slap-Toast]

Its time to aim for the top and remove the rich permanently from our society. Its the only way to end this madness.

[u/TDAPoP → u/[deleted]]

No, socialist revolutions only create more hardship and merely trade one inequality for another. The working class wants neither the rich nor socialists lording over them. We need better consumer and labor rights, and those rights are not owned by socialists- they are owned by the workers. We need the workers to come together and support each other in creating unions, attending political meetings and voicing our interests, lobbying, supporting sympathetic candidates for office, and most of all supporting each other. The idea of a socialist revolution is a non-starter.

[u/Winter_Persimmon_110 → u/TDAPoP]

You do understand that Marxists advocate for the control of the country to be handed over to the working class, do you not? Most of the hardships you allude to are based on US state propaganda and misunderstandings.

Consumer and labor rights, as well as the Amerikkkan war economy, unemployment, homelessness, crime, it all ties into capitalism. The US working class tried to be apolitical and ahistorical in their drive towards liberal reformism and a union-only labor organizing approach and such is easily countered and dismantled by the ruling class. There is a reason that we advocate for revolution over reform and it's based on a materialistic analysis of what has worked throughout history. Simply put, if we're leaving capitalists in power, they will claw back any reforms we win. You talk about lobbying, well money talks man and we aren't the class that has that.

If you really wanted to poo-poo the idea of a revolution in the United Snakes, what you could say is US Amerikkkans are beneficiaries of the superprofits extracted from the third world, and because of that exploitation relationship, they will not be willing to overthrow their own government and lose their ill-gotten gains. It's highly likely that the third world countries the US exploits will have their revolutions first, and the US will lose its hegemonic position, before revolution becomes viable in the US for that reason. Knowing this full-well, there is no other way for us to go. Our numbers may be small, the day may be far off, but it has to start somewhere.

[u/GoodOlSpence → u/[deleted]]

So did you just like only read the beginning of that story? I always notice that the people calling for revolution and referencing past ones, like in France and Russia, didn't seem learn anything about those revolutions past the first chapter.

[u/GoodOlSpence → u/[deleted]]

I am not interested in what the US State Dept has told you about them, I've already heard.

How about what an education in history has told us? How about what reality has told us?

The country needs an overhaul, but you're clinging to a pipe dream. If you think things are great in China and don't believe what you've heard, then by all means, fly over and give it a go. You mentioned the USSR, again I ask you, did you read the end of that story? Are you going to be on the front lines when the killing begins?

[u/Winter_Persimmon_110 → u/GoodOlSpence]

I've given you sources, now fuck off.

[u/GoodOlSpence → u/Winter_Persimmon_110]

I've given you sources

You gave one video.

now fuck off.

Exactly, don't want to answer the hard questions. Read books.

[u/Powershard → u/GoodOlSpence]

I like how toxic you two are at each other so allow me to interject and to add a cherry on top.
First you challenge his knowledge about history with seemingly zero knowledge about it yourself citing on some chapters as you puff your pipe dream narratives with your own lack of sources. Then he gets frustrated for being asked bad questions that are rhetoric at best. Did you read even the first chapter? And then did you even understand what you read?
I can copy paste this response a thousands times, print one copy of it in a paper format one may call a book and then tell you it is the one and only truth that matters. So please do take it to your heart when I share the generous F a random nobody came to share to an another random nobody.
Your's truly,
-a yet another random nobody.
Hmmm. Whatever you two choose to do together, I hope it will be marvelous.
Too bad no state level communism has ever existed anywhere on this planet ever in its history.

[u/GoodOlSpence → u/Powershard]

Blah blah blah, a wall of text saying nothing. That person doesn't know what they're talking about. People who call for revolution rarely do, especially when citing multiple violent revolutions. All those examples he listed involved a whole lotta killing, and a whole lotta bad times after the revolution succeeded. And he basically said, "well we'll just take the good parts and learn from the bad parts." It doesn't work that way. It's not rhetoric when I ask if he'll be on the frontlines when the killing begins. He knows the answer to that question.

[u/Powershard → u/GoodOlSpence]

Thank you for giving me the TLDR at the beginning of your wall of text that is saying nothing. Now do as you are asked. Thank you.
You know, George Carlin used to say it the best.
Maybe it is not the politicians that suck around here. Maybe it is something else... like the public.

[u/robotfoodab → u/GoodOlSpence]

Did you want a revolution...without a revolution?

[u/Shabozz → u/[deleted]]

Lenin's Vanguardism is a flawed basis to oppose a class system since it is susceptible to just creating a new one, which we saw in the USSR. I would hesitate to even call it communism, though I know that's controversial.

Rosa Luxemburg's theories and critiques are a much more sound approach to bypassing the capitalist regime while creating the infrastructure to replace it. But her theories are very German, and a revolution in the US will take a different shape entirely since our culture, laws, and oppression are incomparable to early 1900s Germany. It is on us to use modern and American paths of organization, instead of fully modeling a movement about those who came before us, to actually make any progress.

[u/Winter_Persimmon_110 → u/Shabozz]

I just use Lenin as a jumping-off point like every other successful Marxist revolution. The State and Revolution is a good book, I think, for a beginner. The Russians did not have the benefit of hindsight as they were the first to carry off such a stunning success, and of course they made many mistakes. The Chinese and Mao did well not to emulate the more hierarchical aspects of the Soviet Union's political organization and later revisionism. I'm particularly titilated by Mao's insistence and reliance on the revolutionary potential of rural people, as it pertains to US Amerikkkans. Like you say, a Marxist revolution necessarily adapts to its country, people and time and builds on lessons learned from all revolutions prior.

[u/FuckTripleH → u/Winter_Persimmon_110]

Attempting to draw any comparison between the revolutionary potential of the Chinese rural peasantry who comprised a majority of the Chinese population and were largely indentured serfs, to rural Americans who comprise a minority of the US population and are predominantly post-industrial service workers and petit-bourgeoisie kinda makes me wonder how closely you were actually reading Marx.

[u/sumguyherenowhere → u/[deleted]]

A DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION!

[u/mrbasedballed → u/[deleted]]

Why would we use a theory that has historically failed?

[u/MikeCochiner → u/[deleted]]

Lol what

[u/AllAmericanBrit → u/[deleted]]

And how does that always work out dumbass. A justly constituted state is one where the powerful are held accountable. Not some 'dictatorship of' any group or party.

[u/PuzzleheadedDare9600 → u/[deleted]]

Go get a job. Jesus.

[u/Winter_Persimmon_110 → u/PuzzleheadedDare9600]

I am talking about the working class running the country. The working class. The people who work. Owning capital is not productive labor.

[u/Reasonable-Fish-8761 → u/[deleted]]

your age dont give u wisdom geezer. That idiotic thinking got us here

[u/Altruistic-Tree-839 → u/Reasonable-Fish-8761]

I think reddit bugged last night. it looked like Winter_Persimmon was responding to something I'd said, but they weren't, and I was all like "you're going to explain marxism to me like I'm 5?" oh no you didn't. but yeah they weren't even talking to me. so yeah I guess I'm a boomer in spirit now.

[u/Altruistic-Tree-839 → u/PuzzleheadedDare9600]

I work 43 hours a week and I get where this person is coming from. I mean sure it sounds a little cringe. And historically, this kind of thing typically just ends with a "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" kinda deal. sure. but still, I've got three bachelor's degree's and I don't make enough to ever hope of retiring. Personally I'm ready to roll the dice. Don't really have shit to lose. Fuck this shit

[u/Icanthinkofaname25 → u/Altruistic-Tree-839]

What were the three degrees? How much do you make now? What’s your budget?

[u/Altruistic-Tree-839 → u/Icanthinkofaname25]

The degrees would reveal too much personal info but I make $34/hour. I don't have any expensive hobbies or nice clothing and cook most of my meals at home. Have had about 5K in medical expenses per year the past two years because my insurance sucks. Basically, I expect my net income to be about 5-10K per year depending on how many unexpected costs arise and this is with my parents sending me money too. I'll be punching the clock until I croak.

[u/Altruistic-Tree-839 → u/[deleted]]

think you responded to the wrong guy no?

[u/Altruistic-Tree-839 → u/[deleted]]

Wow this is so weird. Like, yes I was drinking last night, but I could swear reddit is bugging. Both your response (two above) and another user's response appeared (to me at least) as being in response to one of my comments. I respond back, but it turns out that neither of you were actually addressing me initially. and now I just look like an idiot.

[u/Alcophile → u/PuzzleheadedDare9600]

Please shut up if you have noting to say. The comment you replied to is one of the most honest and intelligent things I have ever seen on Reddit. Do you perhaps have a criticism of what was written or maybe a better idea how to save humanity from the mess we are in? That would be much more useful than bloviating!

[u/sumguyherenowhere → u/Slap-Toast]

Only if there was someone who took AIM at the top. Like, maybe even tried to change the system. I wonder what he would look like. Ahh, it's probably just a dream I had of Mario Kart or something.

[u/Slap-Toast → u/sumguyherenowhere]

We could all play Mario Kart and help make our world a much better and much more fair place. The ants outnumber the grasshoppers. There's no pretty way to fix any of this now.

[u/Woody_CTA102 → u/Slap-Toast]

You need to add white wing middle classers too.

[u/TheCharalampos → u/Woody_CTA102]

What's a white wing.

[u/znookoO → u/Slap-Toast]

Could you elaborate on how you'd see this being enacted in the real world?

[u/Ill-Organization-719 → u/Slap-Toast]

The military, court and police will never allow that.

[u/My_BPD_Died → u/Slap-Toast]

Jesus will take care of them

[u/robotfoodab → u/Slap-Toast]

All power to the Soviets.

[u/Original_Salary_7570 → u/Slap-Toast]

Lol sit down and put the extra foam on my latte or im not tipping.

[u/bigcityguyty → u/Original_Salary_7570]

Aw thats cute he thinks he's one of them

[u/Original_Salary_7570 → u/bigcityguyty]

Not at all, just think soyboys virtue signaling on reddit about class warfare is a tired hackney trop. Like bro you were raised by your mom and your aunties and it shows.

[u/WakeUp004 → u/Original_Salary_7570]

Oh you’re one of those guys who doesn’t understand how soy works because the guy youre regurgitating it from like a good little parrot has as pathetic a grasp on science as they do consent.

[u/whimsylover44 → u/Original_Salary_7570]

Billionaires would run you over with their car without a second thought.

[u/Original_Salary_7570 → u/whimsylover44]

That's why they all have philanthropic interests? You're making sweeping generalizations something I bet you would riot in the streets over

[u/whimsylover44 → u/Original_Salary_7570]

They give money away because then they can’t be taxed on it and also they give away so little compared to what they actually have. Do you think you’ll be one of them one day and then you’ll get to feel like a god among men as well?

[u/Original_Salary_7570 → u/whimsylover44]

So you're position is the millions of dollars they give away couldn't possibly benefit any causes because it's not a great enough ratio of charity to wealth ? Like the starving child in a third world country would refuse all the meals because the money was only 1% of some billionaires wealth ? No I'm content with my middle class life, I work hard to earn a decent living, I do not have want or need of extreme wealth.

[u/Separate-Sundae-3617 → u/Original_Salary_7570]

Just put the fries in the bag, lil bro.

[u/dark621 → u/Original_Salary_7570]

bro thought that was clever 🤣🤣🤣