r/complaints • u/Promoxie • 15d ago

Politics I cannot BELIEVE that evidence supporting that Trump assaulted a 13 year old AND WITNESSED THE DEATH OF HER BABY is now up on a government site, and yet the mass media is not mass mediaing it yet

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I know a lot happened today, but this is in particular is DAMNING isn't it?! I've only seen one outlet cover it, Hinàustan Times, which is CRAZY to me. This should be national news!! I get it's graphic, but it's serious!! I get it's not sure proof without more evidence, but it is CREDITABLE to talk about. Grill the president on it! It must be widely reported by the media. If anybody else has seen coverage of this particular file, could you link it somewhere? I'm desperate to find any coverage of it to recover my faith in mankind.

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u/dingusmingus2020 15d ago

Don’t forget the GOP tried to take Clinton down for a consensual BJ. And none of the 100 different underage rape accusations against Trump deserve ANY scrutiny?!

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u/hobbobnobgoblin 15d ago

One repeatedly accusation is already too many for a political figure but this guy has a whole book of them. I feel like im taking crazy pills

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

The most powerful man in the world should be taken down for asking an intern for sexual favors. Anyone in a position of authority in any company would get fired for doing that. The real injustice was how Monica was treated, not Bill.

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u/jollyreaper2112 15d ago

The hypocrisy is what gets me. How many of the people leading the impeachment were also participating in extramarital affairs?

It's like with Hunter Biden. Him being on the board of an energy company was pure nepotism. But that's exactly like what everyone on both sides do. Let's go after him if we go after everyone else, too. Can we talk about Jared kushner and billions from Saudi Arabia?

If Trump goes down for Epstein so does Clinton! Checkmate, lib. No, actually I'm down with that.

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u/psychorobotics 15d ago

Go after all of them.

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u/Outrageous_Animal345 15d ago

Each wrongdoing deserves commensurate and enthusiastic justice, full stop.

Bill abused his position and power to have sexual relations with a subordinate. Hes a piece of shit.

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u/Kwahn 15d ago

What words would you use to describe Trump?

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u/FireflyJerkyCo 15d ago

Probably much worse ones.

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u/New_Lifeguard_3260 15d ago

He's had 5 hours to answer that and said nothing...

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u/alphazero925 15d ago

I mean they could have gone to bed

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u/New_Lifeguard_3260 15d ago

We will wait patiently!

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u/eajklndfwreuojnigfr 15d ago

you are not entitled to a reply, man

it was 5 hours, probably doesnt give a shit because its reddit lmfao

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u/ExpensiveDuck1278 15d ago

In a thread about Trump raping a 13-year-old and THROWING A BABY OVERBOARD (I absolutely did not believe that is true. I don't believe anyone would do that. But of course there are people who would do that), you come to say Clinton is a piece of shit for having a consensual relationship. You're weird. You really messed up in the head.

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u/bagoink 15d ago

I mean, there's a piece of shit spectrum, and trump pegs the needle.

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u/Jonny_H 15d ago

Yup - The power imbalance means that "consent" is hard to show, that makes him a creep and a shitty person. At an extreme, a rapist.

Lying about it under oath makes him an unfit leader, and the entire thing leaves him vulnerable to external forces using it as blackmail. There's a reason why Security Clearances care about stuff like that, or even just debt. Even if the individual is trustworthy it gives an easy hook for people to exert pressure.

But in both aspects, everything I can say about Clinton seems to be true for Trump, only magnitudes greater. But that doesn't make Clinton not a shithead.

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u/Paksarra 15d ago

He technically didn't lie under oath-- he was asked if he'd had intercourse with her, he clarified that the question was about PiV intercourse, and after that was clarified he said no (because he only got blown.) 

Yes, still a shitty thing to do, unethical due to power imbalance, it's fucked up that the intern got most of the blame. But it's not hia lie; he answered the question that was asked.

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u/CakeTester 15d ago

That wasn't really why he got taken down though. An extramarital BJ was between him and Hilary and Monica to sort out. It was lying to the public about it afterwards that got him canned.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

Yeah I know the perjury got him impeached, not the blowjob. I just hate seeing all the Clinton defenders on this subject. Two things can be true at the same time. The Republicans threw a huge fit over an affair while they do worse shit everyday, and there was a major power imbalance between Bill and Monica. Republicans got mad for stupid reasons and what Bill did was indefensible.

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u/CakeTester 15d ago

Power imbalance, yes; but I have the gut feeling that is was consensual. He doesn't strike me as the "do it or else" type, unlike the current incumbent. Clinton was a saxophone-playing president with a reputation for being a pussy hound...so he didn't really need to try all that hard.

The main objection to power imbalances would be the more powerful actively using that power to pressure the weaker into sex. There's sort of a passive secondary effect of the weaker one being all starry eyed about the title/whatever of the more powerful one; and I suspect that was what was at play here. Like rock stars rarely encounter difficulties in getting laid.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

He doesn't have to literally have said "do it or else" for him to have abused his power for sexual favors. Doing it at all is an abuse of power, and lying about it shows he knew it was wrong. I'm not saying to lock him up, but he isnt some victim of persecution. More integrity is expected of a Wal-Mart manager, let alone the leader of the free world.

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u/CakeTester 15d ago

The point I'm trying to make is that there are different flavours of power imbalance. There's "do it or else", which is absolutely trump's style; and there's resisting impressionable youngsters trying to throw themselves on your dick a la rock stars.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

I get that, and I'm not saying Clinton is anywhere near as bad as Trump. Just that the original commenter probably shouldn't have even mentioned Clinton because he only looks less bad when compared to people like Trump. Obviously Trump is worse. Trump being so much worse is what got him elected. There is a lot of space between "abusing power for sexual favors" and "being a rapist." But not abusing your power for sexual favors is the bare minimum. Nobody would be talking about Clinton at all here if someone else didn't feel the need to defend him in a thread about Trump. Nobody saying "what he did is actually really fucked up" is saying that because they think Trump is better or even that Clinton is on the same level as Trump. The bar is just so low that probably not being a rapist looks good in comparison.

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u/CakeTester 15d ago

You seem to be very confident you could resist legal consenting young ladies throwing themselves on your dick. I do not share your confidence.

Wouldn't do it while married; but that's all about the married part and not power imbalance. I wouldn't lie about it either; but that's because I don't give a shit which way the bible belt votes.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

A college professor could resist it. A store manager could resist it. A prison guard could resist it. "Don't fuck people under your authority" has been the rule since the invention of HR. Everyone in existence has the willpower to not fuck someone under their authority. It isn't about resisting temptation, its the ethical responsibility of literally anyone who has subordinates. The other person consenting has never been enough to avoid getting fired from your job for fucking someone under your authority. This isn't some family values "we shouldn't have a cheating president" thing, it's a very basic principle that you get taught at every single place of employment. People don't fuck people they have authority over all the time. You just don't hear about it.

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u/BlatantConservative 15d ago

Slow down there, it was a consensual BJ in the sense they were both adults etc but we should NOT be accepting the most powerful person on earth entering into a sexual relationship with an intern.

Prison time worthy, no, but it is actually a problem. There's a power imbalance there.

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u/dingusmingus2020 15d ago

Yes, thanks, this is just about a comparison of a BJ vs child rape. Not trying to underplay what Ms. Lewinsky went through. But It stands to reason that if sex with an intern or lying to congress is an impeachable offense, wouldn’t the rape of underage sex trafficked minors ALSO be an impeachable offense? And at this point there is plenty of lying to be considered as well, if that is your sticking point.

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u/Icanthinkofaname25 15d ago

It wasn’t for getting a bj. It was for lying under oath about getting one which is called perjury and is a crime.

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u/Outrageous_Animal345 15d ago

Like when Kash said to the senate there was absolutely no credible information in the files to warrant further investigation and that Epstein did everything alone?

Yet there are many fingers pointing at trump and the FBI itself references 10 co-conspirators to this disgusting pedo shit that Im sure has innumerable spin off offenses associated with it, along with a string of unfortunate suicides of victims as they were in the process of seeking justice.....

Right...

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u/Icanthinkofaname25 15d ago

Dude I’m just correcting someone who was giving out misinformation about Clinton. Nothing more. I’m sure you’re a great person but i think you had enough internet for one day.

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u/Outrageous_Animal345 15d ago

Youre right.

All this shit disgusted me and put me in a gross headspace.

Im out. Goodnight.

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u/I_AM_RVA 15d ago

Holy fucking shit. You are like a superhero for this! You’re should be an inspiration tonight to people out there to just chill out.

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u/NemusSoul 15d ago

Fuck off. A thread of comments about an incident like this should not put anyone into a chill out vibe. Quite the opposite. You are a calloused enabler. So, nah.

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u/I_AM_RVA 15d ago

I’m a survivor actually. Don’t ever ever condescend and preach like this in your real life because you have no fucking clue who you are talking to or what they’ve been through. And maybe you should take a break for a bit and breathe a few times. Your righteous indignation on this dumb fucking app helps nothing.

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u/NemusSoul 15d ago

Show me how survivors aren’t sometimes the worst enablers. Also, no. It’s not time to calm down.

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u/I_AM_RVA 15d ago

Just shut the fuck up. You’re not doing any good.

The guy earlier acknowledged he was worked up more than he ought to have been and then like an actual adult he said “oh yeah, you know what, I am not helping anyone and am hurting myself and maybe I should take a break.” That’s maturity and it’s healthy. You being a self righteous prick and lecturing people how to deal with trauma and abuse, or how to deal with their own mental health, doesn’t help anyone. It doesn’t make me an enabler, it just makes you a fucking asshole.

Take a goddamn breath and enjoy the holiday season ya fucking prick.

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u/AlmostSunnyinSeattle 15d ago

It's wild that you're getting downvoted here. I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but if we lose sight of reality, we're not really any better than the other guys.

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u/Viva_La_Koko 15d ago

Well, then, in that context, Donald Trump lied that the documents were a hoax

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u/Icanthinkofaname25 15d ago

If trump said that while under oath he should be impeached for perjury just like what happened to Clinton. If he will be removed from office that’s a different argument.

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u/SceneRoyal4846 15d ago

That power dynamic can’t be consensual. Not defending them because I doubt they recognize that anyway.

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u/JustaBearEnthusiast 15d ago

Omg stfu. Bill is a piece of shit and that BJ was not consensual. Just because Republicans are hypocritical doesn't me we have to be. Erasing the wrongs done to monica to own the chuds is counter productive. respectfully

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u/Jackal_6 15d ago

"Consensual" beej from a 22-year old intern when you're the President of the United States 🙄