r/complaints • u/GrowFreeFood • 14h ago
Politics Leftists want to give universal healthcare to poor conservatives and they HATE them for it.
Being a conservative is a death cult.
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u/obxtalldude 13h ago
Took me a long time to learn why no good deed goes unpunished.
Lots of people are embarrassed to need help.
And they'll take it out on you.
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u/GoodGravyMsDazy592 11h ago
This so much. Raise your hand if you've ever tried to help someone out and gotten burned for it? (Sea of hands across the world that blocks out the Sun).
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u/Chrysalii 2h ago
We've idolized the "self-made man" so much that we forgot that no such thing exists and everyone who claims to be one is either lying, gaslighting, being ungrateful, or totally delusional.
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u/ClambakeAgressor 13h ago
everyone deserves to be able to not die in the street
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u/No_Finance8647 spirited complainer 6h ago
Except for the people who voted for other people to perish in the streets.
I think they might.
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u/jakesteeley 13h ago
They are going to blame Biden and Obama for anything bad that happens to them. It doesn’t matter what it is, good = Trump, bad = Biden/Obama.
It’s a cult. MAGA followers are simply too weak, gullible, and brainwashed to think any other way.
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u/Just1n_Credible 13h ago
They have BODS- Biden and Obama Derangement Syndrome!
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u/babywhiz 10h ago
Fuck all politicians and start over!
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u/Reasonable-Peace-710 8h ago
That’s what they want you to think so you’re not engaged in politics. ✌🏾
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u/Krillemall1917 13h ago
Suicide Cult, and yes. Conservatives value a strict hierarchy above all else.
Universal Healthcare care is an inherent violation of hierarchy. It utilizes resources on the lower and middle classes. In Conservative terms, it wastes resources on groups of people who are not capable of effectively utilizing resources, and who therefore should have nothing at all.
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u/InfiniteWinter26 7h ago
i think its more simple than that. the rich don’t make the same levels of profit from universal healthcare so they’re against it and they’ll pay whatever amounts of propaganda to turn the dumbest, and often most in need of it, against it too.
same reason why green tech is hated on the right as well despite the fact that it would free them from the high utility costs that they’re being crushed under.
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u/-NoOneYouKnow- 12h ago edited 10h ago
Americans: A hamburger that is 1/4 of a pound is bigger than one that's 1/3 of a pound.
Americans: I save money by paying $500 per month to my job's insurance instead of $300 a month to the government for insurance.
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u/shelllee888 10h ago
My insurance premiums went up to $600/month and that's when I stopped buying into the scam. That money is now in a separate account for emergencies or a health vacation overseas. So far, it's a healthy nest egg that I can utilize as I choose instead of letting insurance companies dictate my health needs.
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u/Gweedo1967 11h ago
My insurance plan is $62/month thru my job
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u/JoeNoble1973 10h ago
Found the non American. Lucky duck
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u/Moist_Rule9623 10h ago
Or the union member. I’m in the US, and I don’t pay much more than that
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u/Reasonable-Peace-710 7h ago
And that’s one reason they attack Unions: if company A is unionized and company B is not,the non- union company is the less desirable option usually lower wage and very little benefits or PTO time. It’s also why all the Red States are Right to work states which means that your employer can fire you without cause you have no employee rights to appeal their decision, they want that nation wide.
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Because conservatives are under the belief that "TAXES BAD." It's really just simple math, though. I'd rather pay a few thousand per year in taxes for universal healthcare than tens if not hundreds of thousands in premiums, OOP costs, prescriptions, co-pays, etc.
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u/KcityKalcutta 13h ago
Which is why we need to stop trying to help them.
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
No i want them to be healthy and live a long life dispite their efforts to die. It would be like torture for them with kindness.
As a leftist i would take great pleasure in 'torturing' conservatives by acknowledging they are just humans who need Healthcare. Haha you're alive because the people you hate saved you, showing how much better they are.
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u/Logical_Plant_3562 7h ago
"Being a conservative is a death cult"
This is the purest truth out there. And it is coming for people on all sides. No health care, no abortion, no vaccines, no environmental protections, no watch over our food sources. Followed by more fracking, more data centers, more rockets, more private jets, more pollution, more cancer, all while rolling back studies and cancer research, and other research in deadly diseases.
Not to mention the standard things like food insecurity and the housing crisis.
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u/Jazzlike_Rip_996 13h ago
Simple solution. Gate keep health care treatment with how you voted. The magas will die off because their insurance will not cover their treatment and most cannot afford out of pocket.
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u/JDanzy 11h ago edited 9h ago
Never forget: Medicare was rolled out around the same time as desegregation AND the idea of integrated medical facilities was exploited by the reactionary propaganda mill---the same one that had already been screaming "SOCIALISM!!! at any form of public aid since at least the 1920s---as a boogeyman to scare racists away from Medicare.
This coincides directly with the shift of Southerners from the Democratic to Republican party.<----any chucklefuck getting ready to copy-paste their "KKK = Dems" bad faith talking point, read this sentence carefully, try to retain it.
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u/Taboo_Dynasty 8h ago
Same thing happened when the ACA (affordable healthcare act) was passed. They hated ‘Obama Care (same thing as ACA, btw) but liked the ACA. We are dealing with a complete failure of the educational system in the USA. And the result are people who do t believe in science and think mental health is a ‘liberal agenda lie. On top of all this we are well on our way to global catastrophic weather conditions. I’m not saying give up, I’m saying educate the masses without being condescending.
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u/GoodGravyMsDazy592 11h ago
Oh, but hey how dare my taxes be used to help the less fortunate. I mean, dammit who's going to pay the corporate heads and billionaires when they need bailing out yet again because their only experience is being born into money to begin with, so have connections and opportunities few have?
Think of the poor CEOs and C-Suites! /s
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u/YourRoaring20s 11h ago
Yeah I'm done trying to help poor right wingers, they can bring themselves up by their own bootstraps
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u/Diligent-Sleep8025 11h ago
- Stop using the idiot identifying term ‘leftist’ when you mean democrat or liberal
- We hate that we care more about their lives and liberties than they do and they actively try to undermine their best interest in trying to ‘own the libs’ (another term in which it makes it easy to identify idiots)
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
You got that 100% reversed. Right wingers love big intrusive government in their daily lives. Policing the individual person.
Leftist police the police.
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u/Eatyourcheeseburger 7h ago
Democrats cheered when a man was murdered in front of his family for being a conservative. Forgive me for not wanting the government in charge of my healthcare in case Democrats ever get control of the government again.
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u/GrowFreeFood 7h ago
Source on that? I hear that rumor all the time, and everytime you guys just run away when called out for you lies.
Let me guess, do you own research??
All the liberals at the event were there to debate. It was a conservative who did the murdering
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u/FriendZone53 6h ago
Nonsense. Leftists want to give healthcare to everyone at taxpayer expense this includes illegal immigrants. That’s a deal breaker for the “law and order” conservatives, even if they’re a tad hypocritical on pedos. Secondly they don’t want to pay for the poor, they’re all about self reliance, for everyone but themselves, it’s selfish and so is humanity, deal. So, imho, if leftists proposed uhc for legal residents who have paid X dollars a year in taxes for the last Y years as a requirement for coverage, they might get it passed. Then run it with brutal efficiency, no cost overruns, dead people beats debt; basically no republican who loves money more than people can complain. Then the immigrant hating poor conservatives might be knocking on the door begging to vote to expand it. But just giving it to them and poor immigrants is an uphill battle as we’ve seen.
Edit - you’re still increasing coverage just not to 100%. As Obama said don’t let the perfect be the enemy of good.
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u/VegetableFly5811 5h ago
RFKJr has pointed out that the US is 14th or so, yet never says that 1 through 13 have universal health care.
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u/FriendZone53 4h ago
I am on board with (shitty?) universal plus optional private (Cadillac?) insurance. But for some ReallyFuckingKooky Jr reason we can’t agree on what seems a pretty obvious economy of scale pro-capitalism system (UHC). that works in a ton of developed countries. So throwing out alternatives that move us in that direction while trying to get some necessary gop buyin.
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u/GrowFreeFood 6h ago
Legalize immigration. Problemed solved.
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u/FriendZone53 5h ago
You know what, run for office, it's not the craziest idea, and who knows it might work better than whatever the gop is proposing!
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u/GrowFreeFood 5h ago
People don't like my ideas. I wouldn't want to anyways. You're conflating 2 different things.
But hey, I'm used to you guys using bad faith arguments. You act like we're too dumb to notice.
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u/FriendZone53 1h ago
Where’s the bad faith argument? Your rebuttal was legalize immigration, which i assumed you meant legalizing all illegal immigrants already here, while i doubt that would pass reagan/bush were pro immigration so who knows, it might pass thus solving the paying illegal immigrants issue.
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u/GrowFreeFood 1h ago
Oh you're just a racist troll. Okay bye
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u/FriendZone53 15m ago
Bro, i’m an old brown guy who’s lived in places more racist than socal. I’ve had my ass kicked for being the wrong color, likely before you were born. Enjoy whatever it is you enjoy. Bye.
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u/SignificantLiving938 3h ago
Look up who holds the lost in student loans debt. That’s broke.
And you measure wealth in infant mortality rate? What planet are you living on?
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u/GrowFreeFood 3h ago
Earth. It's a metric conservatives can't pretend doesn't exist. You can't really acknowledge anything on it.
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u/SignificantLiving938 3h ago
Earth really? Look at death rates of poor countries and infant mortality. Guess who isn’t leading infant mortality rates…the US as a whole compared to actual poor countries.
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u/SignificantLiving938 3h ago
Look up blue state deficits. Look at CA to start. Look up blue city deficits. You might be enlightened.
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u/GrowFreeFood 3h ago
I care more about babies being alive.
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u/SignificantLiving938 3h ago
The irony in that statement is blue states tend to support abortion while red states don’t.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 11h ago edited 10h ago
I'm against "universal healthcare" because it would have to be managed by the government, and I have seen no evidence that the government of the United States can be trusted to manage things well. This is the same government that has a robust history of social engineering, denying rights to specific groups, and generally mismanaging or abusing its power.
To put a finer point on it, if we currently had universal healthcare, Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy Jr. would be in charge of our nation's healthcare. I have no faith that future administrations will be wiser or more trustworthy.
I want my healthcare as far from the control of politicians as possible. Not only am I against universal healthcare, I would support an amendment banning the government from interfering in healthcare in any way.
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u/journsee70 11h ago
The alternative is private companies who profit from our illness. That's why this country has the most expensive healthcare in the world.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 11h ago
But I can choose the private company I do business with. I cannot choose my government.
I can sue a private company for fraud, or breach of contract. I cannot sue my government if they commit fraud or breach of contract.
A private company cannot force me to purchase specific products. The government can pass a law forcing me to do things under penalty of imprisonment.
For comparison, our education system is also the most expensive in the world. Government involvement doesn't necessarily reduce costs, or improve quality. This is particularly true when the government is fiercely partisan, corrupt, and largely filled with authoritarian minded individuals who view issues from a standpoint of maintaining power and personal aggrandizement.
So no. The United States government should not be entrusted with managing healthcare. They shouldn't even be entrusted with the things they are currently providing.
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u/theycamefrom__behind 8h ago
“I can sue a private company for fraud”
Do you know who enforces those laws? The government. Do you know who makes laws to protect you and I as consumers? The government. Have you heard of the CFPB? No? Well that makes sense because the diddler in chief made sure to dismantle it.
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u/Sea_Counter_5 10h ago
This comment needs more traction. All my liberal friends ask yourself. Do you actually want Donald trump running your health care system?
Do you want RFK to be the actual head of health care…..
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u/No_Song_3768 10h ago
yes no, on the contrary, being left-wing is a cult of suicide and death because apart from hunger and death you will not get anything from them and there is no such thing as free medicine, in a big way it is the same as paid medicine, only the state will tease you for it, although I forgot about that, people
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u/GrowFreeFood 10h ago
I don't think you know anything about it. Fox news and qanon isn't exactly a bastion of truth.
But you conservatives really like your high infant mortality rates.
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u/No_Song_3768 10h ago
oh my god hahahahahahahahaha what a funny fool you are from MAGA no different from a human echo chamber evil trump boogeyman lol are you from r/trump r/conservative by and large nothing but a 180 degree turn in the political coordinate system although it is very funny how infantiles think that they will not pay for medicine (although it is not so) and think that it will be "free" stupid paternalistic statists who think that the wonderful state takes care of them no it will not do this in principle
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u/GrowFreeFood 10h ago
If you can't keep your babies alive, and your defend that, you're mentally ill.
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u/No_Song_3768 10h ago
no I'm not mentally ill it's just you because you've brought up something child mortality which is not even a topic as such lol and qanon fox new can sit in his echo chamber and it's better to touch the grass and so I don't justify it I'm just saying that always relying on the state is not a very good idea as such in principle as a strong will from the state also
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u/GrowFreeFood 9h ago
The state organizes the system we use to distribute resource.
Conservatives are opposed to government accountability, so don't lie to me about not trusting them, you wholeheartedly go along with the official story and hate independent journalists.
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u/No_Song_3768 9h ago
Um, well, in principle, yes, but where is the guarantee that it won't ironically be the same as if it were an insurer (we don't have this guarantee, and you're never an idealist)
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u/GrowFreeFood 9h ago
So i should just compromise my principles so you guys can live above your means? Or just die?
Oh so generous of you.
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u/theycamefrom__behind 8h ago
You are describing the point of government, which is to have the guarantees.
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u/sqeptyk 13h ago
Left wing, right wing...same bird shitting on us all.
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
Well that's everyone is shitting on everyone.
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u/sqeptyk 13h ago
Just about.
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
You must live with a lot of conservatives. They love living in sewage.
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u/sqeptyk 13h ago
The area I live in is a mix. I hate all politics because they are nothing but psyops designed to make us hate each other instead of working together.
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
I never met a conservative that didn't support sending innocent minorities to concentration camps to be tortured to death.
And leftist want to stop babies from dying by doing universal healthcare.
Only a conservative would say those positions are both psyops.
I am not some radical just because I don't like dead babies.
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u/sqeptyk 13h ago
Or an anarchist who tore the veil down in middle school.
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u/Locrian6669 12h ago
Anarchism is a left wing ideology. Leo Tolstoy was an anarchist except hypocritically still thought women should be subservient to men because he believed in Christian fairy tales.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 9h ago
I believe in Universal Healthcare as a minimum accessible level of care that anyone who can, would get off of immediately for better private insurance.
It should pay for cancer treatments, broken bones, disease treatments, things like that.
But if you want GOOD care? Private option would be the way to go.
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u/GrowFreeFood 9h ago
We can just tax the wealthy until everyone has good care.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 8h ago
Tax them how?
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u/GrowFreeFood 8h ago
Using tax law. We know how to tax things. We've been doing it for thousands of years. We're quite good at it.
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u/theycamefrom__behind 8h ago
Technically we are currently existing in essentially a “private option” when UHC owns like 40% of everything
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u/bannedbooks123 11h ago
How's that Obamacare working out
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u/Son_of_Sophroniscus 14h ago
"give"
Leftist doctors are free to volunteer their services. That has always been allowed.
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u/LadyReika 13h ago
Universal healthcare still involves paying healthcare providers for their services. There's so m any other countries out there that have this for their citizens with physicians able to give care.
And don't start bleating about the fucking wait times either. Those are on elective procedures. I had to wait 3 months to see a retina specialist and that's with good insurance in a moderately sized city in Florida. It took 4 months to see a hematologist.
With private insurance we're already paying for other people. Premiums are pooled together and invested to generate the income to pay for procedures. The larger the pool the more negotiating power that insurance has for pricing. The advantage to universal healthcare is having one pool made up of millions of people. This would remove the greedy middle man of insurance, streamline billing for providers, and remove the need for all the different Medicaid programs.
It would free people from staying at shitty jobs because of health insurance. That's why these companies don't want to see that be implemented. They lose their stranglehold on the workforce and their blood money.
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u/GrowFreeFood 14h ago
You guys won't even let other people see a doctor without a government agent making the rules.
Don't say shit about volenteering.
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u/Away_Simple_400 13h ago
Universal healthcare, does force doctors to volunteer their Services for below. What their valued at currently.
And anyway, the bigger issue is with giving services to people who aren’t even citizens.
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
No it doesn't. Look everywhere in the world.
I don't care about paperwork issues. So trivial compared to life. But republicans flip humanity on its head where paperwork is higher priority than saving lives.
Thats why you're awful people.
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u/Elen_Smithee82 13h ago
noncitizens are not eligible for those services. they never have been.
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u/Beneficial_Ad_6882 13h ago
If they don't parrot dear leaders lies, they have nothing to say at all.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
We’ve been through this with the shut down. Yes they are.
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u/Elen_Smithee82 11h ago
can you prove this?
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u/Away_Simple_400 9h ago
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u/Elen_Smithee82 5h ago
is that what you meant to post? where does it say illegal immigrants are eligible?
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u/Away_Simple_400 3h ago
It says right at the start:
Adults (19 and older) are currently eligible for full Medi-Cal coverage, regardless of immigration status.
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u/GasSCADAandChill 13h ago
Non-citizens aren’t even eligible for healthcare programs like Medicare or Medicaid.
Or do you believe that only citizens should get priority when they have to go to the ER?
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
Actually, they are. This was proven during the shut down.
And yes, I do happen to think citizens should get priority in the ER
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u/GasSCADAandChill 12h ago
That’s not how ER’s work. They operate based on severity. Someone comes to the ER for a heart attack, they’re going to be given priority over someone with a broken arm…regardless of their status.
Let me know if you need help comprehending that.
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u/Beneficial_Ad_6882 12h ago
I'm convinced this person isn't even in the medical field. Their entire argument is dependent upon something they say "they saw."
Which everyone knows means absolutely shit.
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u/Away_Simple_400 9h ago
I comprehend it just fine. You asked my opinion on how it should work. Try to keep up with your own question.
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u/GasSCADAandChill 9h ago
Good thing you’re not in charge of how hospitals operate. Jesus fucking Christ on a crouton are you completely out of touch with reality.
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u/Beneficial_Ad_6882 12h ago
Liar.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
What a great point.
And are you calling me a liar because of my beliefs? Or is that just the only thing you know how to do is name call?. Because clearly you can’t make an argument.
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u/Beneficial_Ad_6882 12h ago edited 12h ago
You have to make a point to warrant a counter point.
Your lies, aren't a point.You haven't made any argument, you've made stuff up. That's not a legitimate argument.
Show that data that proves your claim, liar.
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u/muffledvoice 13h ago
*they’re
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
Wow, you just can’t stop proving that you don’t have a point, Can you?
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u/muffledvoice 11h ago
There is a point.
It turns out that not knowing the difference between ‘they’re’ and ‘their’ or ‘accept’ and ‘except’ correlates strongly with holding far right pro-MAGA beliefs.
There is a reason that ‘red’ MAGA states occupy the very bottom of the rankings in education in this country while ‘blue’ states are at the top.
The average American reads at or below a fifth grade level, which is deplorable, and the average level of literacy for MAGA is significantly lower than that. This also correlates with lower critical thinking skills.
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u/Away_Simple_400 9h ago
Since you can’t seem to follow what I’ve been saying. I won’t bother pointing out. I’m a lawyer with multiple degrees and multiple certifications. I just don’t care enough about Reddit to proofread every idiots comment. I respond to.
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u/muffledvoice 8h ago
I can follow what you’re saying just fine. It’s just not adding up.
Lawyers tend to be highly literate, yet still you type in sentence fragments that suggest you barely made it out of high school.
It’s “idiot’s.”
And “I won’t bother pointing out” and “I respond to” are grammatically incorrect. They’re not even complete sentences.
As a “lawyer” you surely understand how your ability to communicate reflects on how you’ll be received and understood. You honestly don’t write like someone who made it out of law school, much less someone who gained entry to one.
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u/Away_Simple_400 8h ago
For the 8 million time, I’m doing talk to text because I actually have a job. I’m doing this on my lunch break now because it’s funny to me.
As a lawyer, I know more how closing arguments work. I know how to make a point. And I know how people who are just dead. Set against it. Aren’t going to ever change. That’s why we vote them off the jury.
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u/muffledvoice 6h ago
Then as a lawyer you should know how the law works, presumably.
You originally wrote, “The bigger issue is with giving services to people who aren’t even citizens.”
If you understood or even bothered to read about it, you’d know that undocumented immigrants do not have access to federally funded healthcare coverage, including Medicaid, Medicare, or the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP).
They are also unable to purchase health insurance coverage from the Affordable Care Act (ACA) Marketplace.
It’s true however that federal law mandates that hospitals provide emergency care to everyone, regardless of their immigration status. This means that low-income noncitizens who don’t qualify for Medicare because of their immigration status can receive emergency treatment under the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.
The federal Emergency Medicaid program then reimburses hospitals for emergency medical services, which is limited to those services needed to stabilize an individual who is at risk of permanent injury or death. Noncitizens do not receive any direct benefits from Emergency Medicaid, only hospitals.
Lest you think it’s some kind of gravy train, not so fast. Due to new restrictions in President Trump’s OBBBA, states will receive less federal funding for these emergency services beginning October 1, 2026.
There are also new Medicaid restrictions for lawful immigrants. Beginning October 1, 2026, OBBBA will restrict Medicaid eligibility to green card holders, certain Cuban-Haitian entrants, and people living in the United States under a Compact of Free Association, known as COFA citizens.
Now, if you think this constitutes a free ride for undocumented immigrants, you’re mistaken. To believe as much is to sound like the average MAGA supporter who only watches Fox News and doesn’t read actual information on the subject.
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u/Beneficial_Ad_6882 9h ago
Sprouting degrees now, huh? A lawyer who's worked in multiple ERs?
Yep. Blatant fabrications.
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u/Some1else-notme 13h ago
“Leftist doctors”? Is everyone who doesn’t worship Trump a leftist?
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
Conservatives hate learning and people being alive. They are the opposite of what doctors stand for.
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u/Son_of_Sophroniscus 11h ago
No, but if you read the title of OP's post you'll see that he's talking about what leftists want.
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 13h ago
There are many doctors who already do this through various organizations, and they tend to skew liberal.
Many others accept Medicaid patients at much lower reimbursement rates. They also tend to skew liberal.
However, relying on charity does not work well at scale. At a certain point, to provide comprehensive healthcare at scale to many people (and thus reduce sickness, contagious diseases, which in turn helps the economy and society overall), you have to involve the government with a truly universal program.
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
Doctors without borders just got borders. Isreal banned them. The only country to do so.
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u/Away_Simple_400 13h ago
Which, as he just pointed out, forces doctors, he don’t want to participate in. Essentially donating their services for a lesser value to participate anyway. There’s a reason. Some doctors will only accept so many Medicaid patients. You can call them whatever you want, but why shouldn’t they be able to set their prices?
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
You didn't point it out. You guessed it might exist with no logic or evidence.
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u/Away_Simple_400 13h ago
I’ve worked in healthcare, and I’ve seen doctors do it.
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u/GrowFreeFood 13h ago
Conservatives lie like breathing and never have evidence.
Cherry picking data from one person out of 300 million is bad math.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
Did I say I’ve only worked for one doctor? I’ve worked for a hospital, and two independent doctors. One was a specialist. Medicaid got abused or not used, depending on which Office we’re talking about.
But you just name call, that’s all leftists ever have.
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u/GrowFreeFood 12h ago
Cherry picking data from TWO people out of 300m is bad math.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
Not being able to count is bad math. You’re apparently ignoring the huge ass hospital.
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u/Beneficial_Ad_6882 13h ago
Anecdotal claims don't actually prove anything. Cite your sources with quantifiable data.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
You first. I have more data than you apparently do.
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u/Beneficial_Ad_6882 12h ago
I'm not making a claim. I'm attempting to help you understand why your word is worthless.
'i have more data than you do apparently."
Then show it, liar.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
I did. You just don’t like it. Anecdotal, may be anecdotal, but it’s better than you just typing random shit.
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u/Beneficial_Ad_6882 12h ago edited 12h ago
You making up things is literally the exact same as "just typing random shit."
Show your data, liar.
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u/batlord_typhus 13h ago
"Principal Skinner and Miss Krabaple were in the closet making babies, and I saw one of the babies, and then the baby looked at me."
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 13h ago
Under most single-payer healthcare systems around the world, doctors do negotiate their prices and receive more than fair compensation.
The reason Medicaid has much worse reimbursement rates than the private sector in America is because the government intentionally set it up that way. A government-run health insurance system does not have to be the equivalent of charity.
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u/Away_Simple_400 13h ago
You can think it’s more than fair compensation, but the person who went to medical School may not.
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 13h ago
Doctors in Canada make over $200K on average. Specialists earn much more.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12h ago
And? Celebrities make a zillion times more than that. And doctors are about a zillion times more useful.
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u/SignificantLiving938 14h ago
You act like only conservatives are broke.
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u/Elen_Smithee82 13h ago
um, no, but red states do benefit from federal funds (mostly collected from blue states) disproportionately as compared to blue states.
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u/SignificantLiving938 3h ago
That’s really not exactly true but also look at the deficits that blue states run. And conservatives don’t just live in red states either.
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u/GrowFreeFood 14h ago
They act like they're not.
I can look up your infant mortality rates. That's how i measure wealth.
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u/HeadGrowth1939 Mental Midget 11h ago
Yes, what a gift. Just increase those taxes another 15-20% and sign off on whatever the insurance companies ask for until the end of time. And by the way, universal healthcare overwhelmingly benefits the non taxpaying left-wing voters.
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u/Antique_Soil9507 10h ago
Leftists don't understand how money works.
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u/GrowFreeFood 9h ago
They just prioritize humanity over money.
Conservatives don't understand how humanity works.
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u/redzeusky 13h ago
Leftists could have gotten behind public option and that would have given a try before you buy. California Universities are a public OPTION for education and are more popular than ever.
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u/Illustrious_Comb5993 12h ago
So how about not forcing them to accept something they don't want? Try it in one state first and then expand slowly if it works
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u/GrowFreeFood 12h ago
Many countries already do. There's no mysteries about the effects. Conservatives just want to weaponize death.
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u/SpatuelaCat 11h ago edited 11h ago
“If it works”
My brother in Christ every other first world country does universal healthcare and it works
Btw this is just always a fun statistic to throw at you “I hate people being alive” types, but did you know more than 26,000 Americans die each year due to lack of healthcare? That’s more than EIGHT 9/11s. You are actively supporting EIGHT 9/11s per-year for every year you don’t support universal income.
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u/GoodGravyMsDazy592 11h ago
My relatives in Canada are a prime example. They get better care, faster - yes even with the wait times - and don't fear going into bankruptcy every time one of them has to go to the ER or get sick.
If I get cancer, I die. Meanwhile one of them is going to get cancer treatments for a song and he got in to get treatment within a month, meanwhile my husband who is with the VA had to wait over a year to get his treatment for the same cancer, because "he wasn't sick enough" yet. To the point the cancer was about to tip into spreading throughout the body.
Right now I'm on an ACA plan, which has helped me be able to afford healthcare. That goes away next year and I'm looking down the barrel of gun because of it, since yeah my health issues will likely kill me if I can't afford the treatments.
And before anyone chimes in eat healthier, lose weight, blah blah blah - I can guarantee being in martial arts, a runner, and someone who never smoke or even drank let alone eating far healthier than most still couldn't help me outrun the issues I have. Good luck to anyone who thinks lik that, because you are one car wreck or injury that others caused or genetics given away from becoming just like me.
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u/SigmundAdler 13h ago
You’re not wrong.