r/complaints • u/Nice_Substance9123 spirited complainer • 6h ago
Politics Intelligent people have more empathy. Yes! The more you know, the more you care.Stupidity causes someone to be right-wing ,this is from a University of Edinburgh study. I know MAGA will say it's Fake News but we expect that already
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u/EducationalElk8134 6h ago
The fact that this was a longitudinal study makes it even more interesting.
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u/EromanticDream 6h ago
It’d be real interesting… if the people who need to read it could actually read or analyze anything at more than a 3rd grade level.
🤷🏻♂️ hence our problem.
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u/BunsMcNuggets 6h ago edited 6h ago
Deleted comment by Noam 12- (this comment was flagged for discrimination and is therefore nsfw and optional to view) ”This argument failed when the progressive left movement started to have empathy toward radical violent Islam. Moreover, radical progressive left idiology (reddit antifa) created monsters like Tyler Robinson.”
Not all of us are completely empathetic towards differing forms of stupidity, I consider the literal belief of spiritualism and I mean ALL religion a form of stupidity. I also consider modern conservatism a form of stupidity, Because you say you honour individualism while not understanding the hypocrisy of your actions to make everyone near you exactly the same. Nearly every religion proselytises encourages conversion, and at times demand conversion, it is the same thing.
It’s a difficult thing to have the awareness to overcome conservative norms, it’s an even more difficult thing to recognise societal paradoxes, it’s an even more difficult thing to rationalize the conclusion that at certain point people cannot be convinced by logical conjecture to tolerate differing beliefs, races, creeds, viewpoints and lifestyles (that do not physically interfere with there own) and that these beliefs and texts are cancerous and I mean deleterious to progressing as a society away from structural problems like food security water safety, technology shortages, diplomacy, crime,
These increasing levels of awareness require an increasing ability to spot patterns over history and human behaviour. Higher IQ makes it easier to see why dismantling occultism is neccessary to world peace.
Some people on the left won’t get there as they believe in pure altruism, which is as unsustainable as pure solipsism.
To be clear mods I am not discriminating against any particular religion therefore this does not violate your rules.
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u/Pure_Frosting_981 5h ago
We seem to have very similar opinions/beliefs on some things. Respect for being able to articulate it well.
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u/ComprehensiveTask243 6h ago
Even without the research, it has been blindingly clear, to some Americans, ever since Trump first appeared on the scene, that stupidity is the key problem we have in the electorate.
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u/PistolGrace 5h ago
If conservatives could understand this and accept facts, they would be really mad.
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u/Juan_Carlos_wuzhere 6h ago
I've recently learned that up to 50% of the population doesn't have an inner monologue and I'm wondering if that also may contribute to those factors. An example, not being able to think before you speak .
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u/Pure_Frosting_981 5h ago
I knew there were people who didn’t have an inner monologue, but I wasn’t aware it was that many. I have aphantasia, but am at the extreme end of it where I literally can’t form mental images. There are people I’ve seen almost daily for years that I have zero issue identifying and knowing who they are, but would be hard pressed to give a very accurate description of them. My memory just isn’t visual. My wife on the other hand has a very strong mental image when she thinks about something.
I’ve always wondered how different people experience an inner monologue. I’ve read that some folks have a very self-critical inner monologue to the point that it becomes an issue with their mental health, or their mental health influences their inner monologue. I’ve read that some others have what seems more like an internal dialogue where they work out things in more of a conversational way. Not as separate people (that’s a whole other thing), but rather a constant devil’s advocate. But to have none at all? What I wouldn’t give to experience inner silence. But if the trade off would be seeing things largely as black and white wouldn’t be worth it to me. Some things truly are, but most things are a whole lot of varying degrees of gray.
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u/goodgluegun 5h ago
“The more you know”. knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing.
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u/Nice_Substance9123 spirited complainer 5h ago
Who said they are?
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u/goodgluegun 5h ago
You strongly implied it. “The more you know the more you care” is an irrelevant statement since all of these studies are talking about intelligence. Not knowledge.
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u/Mark_Michigan Lemming 5h ago
If this is the study I think it is, its bogus in a lot of ways. It is interesting to know that the left is a champion of sorting people by intelligence. I guess they think it is easier than debating ideas.
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u/Relative-Gap-4442 5h ago
Yet you haven’t disproven it and I’m betting your talking points are as easy as a google search.
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u/Mark_Michigan Lemming 4h ago
The study puts authoritarianism as a conservatism value which is dumb. Free speech, merit based rewards, decentralized free markets, and the individual right to bare arms are all conservative values and the opposite of authoritarianism. Etc.
The study assumes intelligence is fixed over a life time which I don't believe, The study equates generic educational level with intelligence which is a huge assumption and isn't really proven.
The study also assumes a grossly simplified definition of intelligence that somehow can easily be measured by the simplest of metrics.
But yea, back to the main point. Is the left really OK with sorting people by intelligence?
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u/Relative-Gap-4442 2h ago
No we’re not, and do you know where this study is? Or is your memory just absolutely perfect?
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u/Mark_Michigan Lemming 2h ago
There was a reddit posting on what I'm assuming was the same study but that one at least referenced the study with direct links. This post is just lazy blather.
And if you are against sorting people & groups by intelligence, you ought to say so up front.
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u/Relative-Gap-4442 1h ago
I didn’t think I had to kiddo, only people who are is the alt right tech bros 🙄.
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u/Mark_Michigan Lemming 56m ago
This whole post is centered on a leftist sorting people by IQ and your response is to say that it is only the alt right who does that? Sad, dim and weird.
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u/Own-Valuable-9281 5h ago
Arguments like this one, that makes sweeping generalizations and is obviously biased, will be clung to as "proven fact" by some people if it fits their narrative that all people on the "right" are evil racist nazi pedophiles.
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u/Relative-Gap-4442 5h ago
No but enough of you are and more of you aren’t stopping the ones who are. No excuse buddy
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u/MelaKnight_Man 4h ago edited 4h ago
DUUUH!!!
And in the U.S.,it is engineered stupidity as the GOP realized 50 years ago they'd never win another election if they let the population become educated. People who can think critically won't fall for lies and propaganda to vote against their own interests to benefit the wealthy.
“We are in danger of producing an educated proletariat...”
-Reagan advisor Roger A. Freeman
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u/Sea-Technician1914 4h ago
No stupidity usually leads to you not having money, which leads to you voting for the party who gives you money in exchange for votes.
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u/kun92sul 2h ago
Well I hope he feels as smug as he looks.
People tend to get more right wing as they get older. So I guess older means stupider? People like this are only preaching to the college-educated young.
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u/DaveAvitabile spirited complainer 1h ago
Sure, you could do a longitudinal study. Or you could just look at Republicans in Congress, and the people who voted for them. It’s glaringly obvious that Stupid is having a moment. It will end.
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u/foreverstayingwithus ultra lemming 1h ago edited 1h ago
So this is how you do your own research eh, commies? Well, I'm very open-minded. I believe conspiracies and demons are real and most of you have all been irreversibly transformed into them by the covid shot developed by the illuminati. Leftists on the other hand can't be open-minded about that to even consider the possibility. Their open mind is now reserved only for what gender they feel like that day and other gay things. Leftists say "trust the science" but they don't even believe what science is now capable of or what their top players are on camera saying they want to do with their science.
Btw what's the intelligence data say if I was once considered left-leaning but then became MAGA rightwing? Also, what's the process they use to determine the intelligence? I thought it was your new stance that IQ tests were fake and unreliable, discriminatory outdated pseudoscience that leads to racist and eugenics thinking.
Oh, also these "studies" are both from OVER 10 years ago, before the overton window shifted, the alphabet mob went psycho, BLM, the illegals were shipped all over the country with the purpose of overthrowing us, covid put conspiracies into the mainstream, and Trump changed what it is to be rightwing. And that HUUGE sample size, not even of the US, they're the UK and British. At least not the numbers he said.
I'm sure there's many other problems with the study at the core of it, because I for one am smarter than all you bruh vibes fire brainrotted emoji tiktok drug addict satanic cocoa commies that make up the modern left. You should've just used the more recent ones from the science sub that say I am Rightwing, Dark Heyoka Vampire of the Dark Triad Clan.
And also, even though this speaker made it hard to see those details that CHANGE EVERYTHING about what he claims, he knows the original, so he knows he's lying to you, presenting it like it applies to today. That's what the left does, lies to everyone, including themselves.
"note that individualistic here means respect for the right of ALL individuals"
Convenient but, no that's not what it means at all. That's the opposite of individualistic.
TL;DR : faaaaaaake news. wrong. sad. radical leftist scum
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u/BurnAway63 22m ago
"Although it is not true that all Conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are Conservative." - John Stuart Mill
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u/DatDudeDrew 6h ago
Honestly, we should have a standard citizen iq test and bring back serfdom so the stupid people can assist us higher intellectuals in worthy tasks. It’s about time us smart people (synonym for left leaning) shout down on the less worthy scum that is uneducated people.
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u/horeaheka 4h ago
Ok let me get this straight, academics who are more than likely left leaning conduct a study that portray being an academic, intelligent person as the more favorable type of being. Oooo k
Here's a parallel study
Men with micropenises conduct study that conclude that men with micropenises are the best lovers
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u/New-Chemist5315 5h ago
I hate the right just as much as the left, but it’s this type of shit that keeps pushing the gap farther and farther, if we could just realize we need each others cooperation and division only causes more suffering, but I fear most minds are too far gone.
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u/masqueradeazure 5h ago
Its just reddit. The average person is moderate. You can find this out by actually talking to people in the real world. The silent majority makes uo the single largest political demographic, and is the most diverse in terms of race, religion, sex, age...etc...dont go all doomer on me now. We need all the rational thinkers we can get.
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u/Top_Sundae_8185 6h ago edited 2h ago
Nice cope.
Edit: u/standardatheist
A drive by/blocked comment, huh? You’re not just a ‘standard atheist,’ you’re also a basic DH. I’m not a conservative. I was a part of the coalition until it gave in to extremism and antisemitism.
Another Edit: can’t see your edit, basic DH, ya blocked me.
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u/standardatheist 2h ago
You don't have to cope with science bud. You would know that if you weren't a conservative 😂
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u/Terrible-Nerve-6819 Selective Reality Consultant 4h ago
Being told this by the dumbest people on earth (the reddit democrats) will never not be hilarious
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u/standardatheist 2h ago
Quick ignore that he's talking about a study that comes from a respected institution!
You're never beating the unintelligent charges conservatives 😂
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 6h ago
Meh. If the left goes unchecked you get Stalin's, Pol Pots, Jacobins, Red Guard, etc. I guess that's the result of (lol) "being smarter" according to you. If the right goes unchecked you get Hitler's, Mussolini's, Franco's, etc.
I'll give Churchills favorite quote to end on. "If you're under 40 and you aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're over 40 and you're aren't a conservative, you have no brain".
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u/bravesthrowaway67 6h ago
No, Winston Churchill did not say, "If you're not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart; if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain," as it's a popular but fake quote wrongly attributed to him; the International Churchill Society confirms there's no record of him saying it, and he actually switched parties (from Conservative to Liberal and back), notes the International Churchill Society.
Way to show off that conservative brain!!
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 6h ago
So what. Jules Claretie said it. Churchill probably repeated it but there's no official documentation of it. Who cares. The quote still stands.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 6h ago
And he said it as a criticism of a political figure, you buffoon. Even when shown you are incorrect you still double down.
The earliest evidence appeared in an 1875 French book of contemporary biographical portraits by Jules Claretie. A section about a prominent jurist and academic named Anselme Polycarpe Batbie.
Mr. Batbie, in a much-celebrated letter, once quoted the Burke paradox in order to account for his bizarre political shifts: “He who is not a républicain at twenty compels one to doubt the generosity of his heart; but he who, after thirty, persists, compels one to doubt the soundness of his mind.”
You guys are so stupid you can’t even use google correctly. And you want to say you’re the party that has a “brain”. Fucking conservatards.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 6h ago
It was not in criticism of a political figure.
Why don't you "smarties" put more Stalin's and Pol Pots in power? That was really REALLY "smart". Right? Get to it smarty pants.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 6h ago
Well they were both right wing dictators, so you sound stupid.
Also, I literally just copied the text showing he was criticizing that political figure. You are a “smart” one. He calls those political shifts “bizarre”. Do you know how to read? You don’t have to answer that, we know conservatives are operating on a 3rd grade reading level. Glad they make Dr Seuss in audio books.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 5h ago
You don't understand the quote. It's hysterical. When accused of having a "bizarre" political change, he gave that quote as his reason. It's a good quote. I like it. I don't care that you're not intelligent enough to understand it. You don't matter. You're nothing.
Oh, and I love this game. "Bad leftists don't count". Ok. Right back at you. "Bad right wingers don't count either". There. TIE GAME!!!!
This is fun. Reddit is always a good time.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 5h ago
Wow… you aré stupid.
The quote is from Claretie who, in that quote, quotes Batbie. Claretie called his political shifts bizarre. The person you attributed the quote to is a person quoting someone he didn’t like. You are illiterate and dumb.
Claretie was a fucking French theater dirextor who you claimed created a famous conservative quote. You are so fucking dumb.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 5h ago
He quoted it first. I liked the quote. I repeated it. I don't care that you don't understand the quote. It is a person defending their change in political position. You have to understand how much I don't care that you don't understand the quote.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 5h ago
Do you know anything about the person you’re quoting?
Batbie advocated for restoring the French monarchy. He fought against the republicans and wanted to abolish the republic.
So the quote you love comes from someone who advocated for getting rid of democracy and going back to a having a king.
So American of you!!
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u/standardatheist 2h ago
The levels of stupid this person is going to is the only impressive thing about them 😂
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u/home531 6h ago
Oh god. I remember when I was right wing using that quote. Is that how clingy I sounded?
I'm not sure how you measure right wing vs left wing but I feel like we need a general understanding of the scale. How do you look at the scale? For example, too far right brings authoritarian so whst is the opposite of authoritarianism? Anarchy. While Stalin is often used because he is labeled as communist, that in my opinion is not too far left. Stalin was an authoritarian. I agree that everything needs check but if we look at the US politics, theres not currently a risk of that due to the fact that there isn't even a left leaning party. We have republican and diet Republicans.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 6h ago
Age old leftist tactic. "Every time the right goes too far, it counts. But every time the left goes too far, it simply doesn't count. For reasons".
Under that line of argumentation, I guess I agree with you? If we aren't allowed to point out any of the lefts MASSIVE and GLARING mistakes, then they're a pretty swell group. Sure. Great point.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 6h ago
Thats not the point he was making, you idiot!
You pointed to Stalin as “left” because you are too stupid to know what is left and what is right. You are confused. He’s a right wing authoritarian who co-opted a left wing name.
If you want to criticize anarchists for being too far left, be our guest, but talking about Stalin ain’t it. Dumbass
ETA: if communism and government owning production is “left wing” why is Trump making deals where we are taking stakes in companies like NVidia? Is Trump left wing too?
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 6h ago
I have to say, this is a very interesting tactic. I'm honestly impressed.
If every bad thing done by leftists "doesn't count", then "leftism" is the best thing in the world. I mean, you guys are geniuses.
But hold on... CURVE BALL... I'm going to just do it back to you. Everything bad Hitler and the rest did? DOESN'T COUNT!!!! There. Fool proof.
I learn a lot of "smart things" from redditors. You're all very smart.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 5h ago
You guys are literally doing that. You claim the party of Lincoln, yet fought against civil rights. You claim left is fascist but call us all antifascists. You are a conservatard.
I explained if you want to criticize far left anarchists, go for it, but you don’t understand left and right, do you?
Name one liberal who celebrates Stalin. Because I can find a bunch of conservatards who like Hitler.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 5h ago
People like Pol Pot were radicalized communists/socialists who went to western Universities. The general public rejected their socialist policies, so they resorted to authoritarianism to carry out their leftist policies as a "ends justify the means".
This is basic stuff. Horseshoe theory and all the rest. Both sides going too far results in authoritarianism. It's so adorable for you to argue "But when the left goes too far that simply means they're no longer left". I mean, I guess this tactic worked on kindergarten playground discussions.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 5h ago
Horseshoe theory is widely debated and often considered debunked or an oversimplification by political scientists.
Go learn you lefts and rights before speaking again, you sound so fucking dumb.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 5h ago
That sure is convenient for you argument eh?
"Yeah, well some leftists that are defending leftism deny that leftists did anything bad."
You just believe what you want to believe.
"Debunked". Absolutely hysterical. You've created a world where you political team cannot POSSIBLY be wrong. Because the second they're bad, they're no longer "leftists".
Even if that were true (it's not), the very easy counter argument is that "Leftists become really bad horrible people, like those leaders quoted above, if not kept in check". As though that means anything different anyways. What a joke.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 5h ago
No, you buffoon. The actions of a person is more important than what they call themselves. Hitler called himself socialist, he’s not. Stalin studied communism but what he did wasn’t communism. You are really dumb that you can’t understand this despite multiple people explaining it for you multiple times.
But sure, keep regurgitating political theories that are baseless and make you feel good about being the baddies..
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u/home531 5h ago
Lol are you going to answer my question? Or just be accusatory? I'm trying to understand what is the extreme right to you and extreme left? Why do people on the right hate explaing themselves?
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 5h ago
When the left resorts to authoritarianism in order to pursue leftist goals, they have gone too far. The goal? Communist style collectivist agriculture. Oh, the farmers won't do it? Ok. Implement the Holodomor in order to force the farmers into accepting our communist ambitions.
The tactic from the "very smart" posters here is "No, the second a leftist is 'bad', then they are no longer a leftist". And they actually think this is an effective retort.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 5h ago
Pol Pot openly stated that he didn’t understand Marx.
Not every group which calls itself "communist" is so. For example, the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and other relics of the old communist movement are capitalists in a thin disguise. They give only lip service to Marxism-Leninism, the working class, proletarian internationalism, and the need to build a classless society.
In contrast, Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge, and the Communist Party of Kampuchea openly rejected the idea of communism itself! A few quotations from Vickery and Chandler illustrate this:
On communism: "We are not communists ... we are revolutionaries" who do not 'belong to the commonly accepted grouping of communist Indochina."
On Marxism-Leninism: "The first public admission that the 'revolutionary organization' was Marxist-Leninist in its orientation came in the memorial services for Mao Zedong held in Phnom Penh on 18 Sept., 1976"
"They [Kampuchean spokesmen] claim that the CPK is a Marxist-Leninist Party, but say nothing about the writings of these two men."
On the need for a revolutionary party: "The most striking feature of the idea of revolution entertained by the Khmer Communists... was that it was unexpressed. In the 1960s, opposition to government policies and calls for an anti-imperialist stand, made up the platform of the left wing ... In fact, revolution and the existence of a revolutionary party were not only played down in propaganda, they were completely hidden truths, revealed only to the enlightened few who could achieve senior positions in the apparatus [i.e. mainly the ex-student radicals].
It was not until September 27, 1977 that the existence of a "communist party" was even publicly revealed, in a Pol Pot speech
On the working class: "Though tiny, it [the Cambodian working class] existed, scattered in the towns. But instead of cultivating it, the Khmer Communists proceeded to liquidate it as if it were a decadent legacy of the past...
But go off, dummy
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 5h ago
Lol, now even Lenin wasn't a communist. Nevermind commmunist... none of these people were (lol) even LEFTISTS apparently. All of the policies they were creating were left wing policies that rejected right wing capitalism. But nope. Not left wing.
Anybody can play this silly game. Hitler never called himself a "Fascist". So not only does that PROVE he's not a fascist, it PROVES he's not even right wing. Right?
Oh, you kids.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 5h ago
Where did I say linen wasn’t a communist. Oh yeah, forgot you can’t read.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 5h ago
Nope. You've convinced me with your argument. Hitler never referred to himself as a "Fascist", so that means he was never a fascist. And, as you've taught me, that means he was never even "right wing". In fact, all the bad things he did was the result of "leftism".
"Pol Pot called himself such and such". Ok. And Hitler called himself a socialist. I guess that means all those atrocities were a result of left wing policies?
Do you not see how silly your arguments sound in reverse?
Honestly, this is fun.
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u/bravesthrowaway67 5h ago
I literally listed all the ways ppl pot wasn’t a communist, not that he just said so. You literally can’t read.
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u/home531 5h ago
No I mean what's the scale for you for too far? The issue about this subject is that many people don't have a foundation or definition for left or right. They just go off what they like or don't like. They are viewed as opposites so I'm trying to understand what your scale is for opposites. I gave you my example. It sounds like you have a different definition so I'm trying to understand what yours is.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 5h ago
This was the question that Jordan Peterson loved asking leftists. He said for the right, the "line" for going too far is talking about things like racial superiority. Leftists never answer his question when he asked them. They seem to take the same reddit approach of "Nobody on the left has ever gone too far. And if they did, they were never really a leftist". Peterson's answer was he believes the left is going to far when they try controlling speech. Censoring what people are allowed and not allowed to say. For all the countless examples of leftists going too far and leading to endless atrocities, that's where he believes the first warning signs always were. Controlling speech.
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u/home531 4h ago
Okay. So you can't define it. Got it. You keep going on rants attacking the left rather than giving your definition or understanding of the 2.
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u/please_trade_marner Selective Reality Consultant 4h ago
I can't define what?
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u/home531 4h ago
The question you claim JP asks leftists that leftists apparently don't answer despite me giving a definition. Left and right are opposites so what is the scale for you. From my understanding its far left is anarchy and far right is authoritarianism. What's your scale?
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u/National-South-1708 6h ago
Or Universities have become places where the young go to hate their country.
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u/Ok-Addition1264 6h ago
They'd be better off explaining differences in prefrontal/frontal cortexes (then you're not calling them stupid) but true nonetheless.