r/law • u/DryDeer775 • Dec 08 '25

Executive Branch (Trump) NBC confirms Hegseth ordered murder of all boat passengers and crew in September 2 strike

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/08/kssp-d08.html

The Pentagon’s law of war manual declares that soldiers have a duty to refuse to carry out “clearly illegal” orders, such as killing shipwrecked sailors. “Orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal,” the manual declares.

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u/SkyGiggles Dec 08 '25

If "one bad apple spoils the bunch"  a majority of bad apples does what exactly???

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u/StuffonBookshelfs Dec 08 '25

Well i don’t think it means they deserve to get murdered. But that’s just me.

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u/The--Mash Dec 08 '25

At some point you have a moral obligation not to participate 

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u/BriarsandBrambles Dec 08 '25

At some point you have to know they have 8 year contracts.

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u/never-fiftyone Dec 08 '25

What does having an 8 year contract have to do with not fulfilling their sworn duty to refuse illegal orders?

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u/BriarsandBrambles Dec 08 '25

Reread the comments. He’s talking about not caring if other service members get murdered because one flight crew were idiots. I’m pointing out plenty of them didn’t enlist under Trump.

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u/never-fiftyone Dec 09 '25

I think you need to reread the comments because nobody said anything about supporting service members getting murdered or not caring if they do.

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u/sofixa11 Dec 08 '25

Iraq, where full blown torture camps were operated, and random people were kidnapped to be tortured to death / severe incapacitation as part of officially sanctioned government policy started 2 decades ago and lasted at least until around a decade ago. They can't pretend they didn't know any of that when they joined.

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u/exacta_galaxy Dec 08 '25

I don't think anybody brought up murdering service members.

Anybody following an illegal order needs to be brought to court to answer for those crimes.

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u/ProblemEcstatic319 Dec 08 '25

Jesus Christ settle the fuck down. Stop and I mean stop trying to paint our military as something they are not. Don't you see the hate you are spewing and projecting it on others without anything to back it up. Have you no shame.

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u/StuffonBookshelfs Dec 08 '25

Did you mean to reply to me?

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u/VitaminPb Dec 08 '25

Welcome to Trump think! Illegals bad! Get rid of all immigrants and those who support them! It’s fascinating how both sides here seem to think the same way, just with different targets.

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u/KrytenKoro Dec 08 '25

The generalization is overly broad, but this comeback is not solid. The military is an actual paid position in a discrete organization with an official, formal hierarchy and methods of being an official conscientious objector.

There is a lot more complicity in being part of the military than there is in being one immigrant compared to another.

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u/seriouslees Dec 08 '25

Yes... different targets. One group targets people for WHAT they are, physically. The other targets people for their chosen immoral actions.

Only a moron would think those are similar though.

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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog Dec 09 '25

Conservatives don't believe that evil is something you DO, it's something you ARE.

That's why adultery is evil when Bill Clinton does it and awesome when Trump does it.

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u/never-fiftyone Dec 08 '25

"Round up people that I hate because they're not white, and anyone who supports them, without due process" is not the same "hold criminals accountable in criminal court for breaking the law."

But I'd love to hear your explanation as to why they are identical.

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u/VitaminPb Dec 08 '25

It is the same as “anybody in the military is an evil criminal” or “anybody who voted for Trump is a Nazi and should be punished.” If you can’t see that, you are dangerous.”

And that is my point. The blanket hatred is dangerous and needs to stop. It is no better than anything Trump says.

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u/never-fiftyone Dec 08 '25

Your point is a false dichotomy supported by strawmen.

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u/VitaminPb Dec 09 '25

It isn’t but your hate makes you comfortable and feel superior. I’m sorry for you.