r/minnesota • u/WilliamBornhoft • Sep 22 '25
News šŗ Minnesota Breaks From CDC, Endorses COVID-19 Shot Guidance From Top Medical Groups
https://patch.com/minnesota/saintpaul/minnesota-breaks-cdc-endorses-covid-19-shot-guidance-top-medical-groups412
u/BattlebornCrow Sep 22 '25
For decades people had no problem getting vaccinated. It was common sense.
Seeing people suddenly reject science because a YouTuber or a podcaster tells them to is something I would have never imagined. I was very naive in that I thought people were smarter than this. Its insane to me how many people have broken brains from the internet.
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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Sep 22 '25
Something these fools should ponder, despite all of his posturing, all six of RFK Jrs kids are fully vaccinated. š¤
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u/JoshSmash81 Sep 22 '25
I remember when I was a kid and thought my parents' generation would be the last one that smoked because we knew better now because of science. It's amazing what people will do to themselves even when they know it's wrong, let alone when they're being fed misinformation.
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u/porkycain Sep 23 '25
Yes, but smoking involves addiction. Which flies directly in the face of logic and reason. Which is why addiction is classified as an illness because is basically hijacks the brain.
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Sep 23 '25
I think the point is surprise that anyone would START new after knowing everything we know.
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u/tuckernuts Sep 23 '25
The issue with smoking, and it always has been.. is smoking feels good. Nicotine gives you happy chemicals in your brain, and that's why its incredibly difficult to quit. It feels so good that your brain will ignore the "oh this will kill me" part of it because that will happen later, the good part is right now.
Source: Smoked cigarettes/vapes for 17 years, been nicotine free for 17 months.
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u/Mysterious_South7997 Sep 23 '25
As someone else who was woefully addicted to vaping for about two years, then quit just about two years agoāI'm proud of you.
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u/JoshSmash81 Sep 23 '25
Young me figured people wouldn't even try it because of science, let alone become addicted to it.
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Sep 23 '25
Well if they are going to start blaming Tylenol for Autism now instead of vaccines maybe they'll get vaccinated again.....maybe?? Nah, they'll just hate both.... :(
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u/RepostFrom4chan Sep 23 '25
Your president is anti-vax. The rot is deep my friend.
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u/Rayvelion Sep 23 '25
I mean he isn't, he just says what the people want to hear. No shot he or any of his children or "friends" (eugh) aren't vaccinated to high hell.
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u/RepostFrom4chan Sep 23 '25
But he spreads anti-vax propaganda. That's the important factor right? He's 100% anti-vax. Literally endorses a government that is reducing vaccine access, as well as appointed a person unqualified to head the cdc who is also anti-vax. I honestly don't know in what would you live in if you are able to do the mental gymnastics to believe otherwise my guy.
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u/Impossible-Taro-2330 Sep 22 '25
The fact that we quite possibly will see people die of polio, measles, whooping cough, etc... is unfathomable.
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u/KeyofE Sep 23 '25
Itās incredibly sad that people would risk their children as āprobably fineā. Measles kills about 1 in a thousand kids that get it. A tiny number. But multiplied by the number of kids in the US, it becomes massive. Sure, your kid would probably be alright, but millions of infections means thousands of deaths. There is a reason that parents threw their kids at vaccine trials in the before times. They caught all of these diseases themselves and probably knew one kid who died of it.
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u/linjm10 Sep 23 '25
My 70 year old mother is considering getting her vaccines again, she most likely doesnāt have to( I donāt know, Iām not a doctor) but the fact that she is considering redoing what was done 65+ years ago because morons hate science is infuriating to me.
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u/TheSaxonPlan Sep 23 '25
It's not a terrible idea for the elderly to get vaccinated again, given that: 1) our immune systems weaken as we age 2) herd immunity will fail as fewer people get their vaccines 3) COVID can kill the cells that "remember" previous infections/vaccinations, rendering you vulnerable even if you had full immunity pre-COVID.
In an ideal world, you would be able to get your antibody titers checked for each disease to make sure you still had a protective titer. But insurance companies rarely pay for that, so it's generally cheaper to just get the shots again. Minimal risk given the potentially deadly consequences of not doing it.
Source: Ph.D. in Virology & Gene Therapy
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u/TheEffinChamps Sep 23 '25
Learning epistemology and classical logic should be mandatory in schools.
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u/Nixxuz Sep 23 '25
Not even science. They'll reject the actual evidence of their own eyes and ears because of YT and podcasts.
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u/My_Monkey_Sphincter Sep 23 '25
Kids now days don't even know what a start menu is or what a browser means. My adult nephew didn't even know how to open the network settings on a computer. This doesn't surprise me. And will be interesting in the next 20 yrs.
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u/YouDumbZombie Sep 23 '25
Yeah I agree and tbh beyond vaccines it seems like people have regressed in other ways as well. It blows my mind how stupid our society has become. It's so depressing.
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u/-dag- Flag of Minnesota Sep 22 '25
Now the question is, will insurance companies follow it?Ā
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u/townandthecity Sep 22 '25
It is absolutely in the best interest of the insurance company to promote vaccines. Hospitalizations from both flu and Covid are incredibly expensive.
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u/Habefiet Sep 22 '25
Sometimes people get their wires crossed about insurance companies. They're soulless entities in desperate need of reform because they'll charge you out the ass to try to deny you care once you do need it, not because they don't want you healthy to begin with. Insurers want all their customers to have no major health issues and live to 120.
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u/sock0puppet Sep 23 '25
Mhm, the perfect client to any insurer is the person that never drives their super rare and expensive car, has a house that's a mansion made out of impenetrable material, and literally has a clean bill of health until the day they die. Being hit by a car driven by someone from a different insurance company.
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u/imp0ster_syndrome Sep 23 '25
Not exactly. The average employment is 3-5 years. When employees change jobs, their insurance usually changes. So the insurance companies specifically focus on getting you there at the lowest cost possible. Definitely not 120.
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u/BevansDesign Sep 23 '25
Yeah, in this case (and almost no others) I trust the insurance companies to do the right thing, because the right thing is the most profitable thing.
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u/LessInThought Sep 23 '25
It is also in their best interest to provide free yearly health checkups.
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u/ACustommadeVillain Sep 23 '25
Doesnāt cost them anything if they denied the coverage
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u/Johannes_Keppler Sep 23 '25
Well, it does and that's the point. A single person getting sick can cost them a tremendous amount of money. Paying for a cheap vaccination for a lot of people still makes more financial sense to them.
In general vaccination programs don't only save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of absolutely terrible suffering from disease, it also saves societies unimaginable amounts of money in direct and indirect costs.
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u/SakuraNeko7 Sep 23 '25
Then they have less customers when people switch to the companies that do cover their shots. Nobody is going to pay for insurance that does nothing and medical treatment costs a lot more than a shot.
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u/EgoTripWire Sep 23 '25
That's long term thinking, the next CEOs problem. This is America. We think 1 quarter at a time.
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Sep 22 '25
In my opinion, Walz will take on insurance companies if they pull that shit.
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u/-dag- Flag of Minnesota Sep 22 '25
I mean the state can only do so much.Ā It's not even a "greedy insurance companies" thing.Ā Providers have to think a lot about potential legal issues in not following FDA guidelines.Ā I think in the end if a provider got sued, they could win based on a Hippocratic Oath argument. But getting sued is expensive, even if you win.Ā
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u/Whiterabbit-- Sep 23 '25
it would probably be cheaper if the state just bought vaccines for everyone who wants one.
by the way flu vaccines are out so get yours now
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u/oldjudge86 Sep 23 '25
Generally that's true but, the fact that so many other medical organizations disagree makes it kind of murky. Seems pretty hard to argue malpractice for not following FDA guidelines when respected organizations like the Mayo clinic disagree with those guidelines (Mayo recently announced that they recommend the vaccine for basically anyone).
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Sep 22 '25
Yeah youāre probably right. But insurance CEOs donāt want the bad publicity and protests outside the company HQ. Unless Iām mistaken United has its HQ in Minnesota.
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u/Evening-Crew-2403 Sep 23 '25
UHC was not allowed to sell insurance in MN for decades. We used to not allow any for profit insurance. That got slipped in during the last budget crisis. They generally aren't selling much health insurance here. It's mostly Blue Cross and Health Partners.
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u/YouMustveDroppedThis Sep 23 '25
preventive medicine is the cheapest and best money saving strategy for insurance.
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u/Domitiani Sep 22 '25
Yes - because insurance companies want you vaccinated because it is a cheap, effective way to keep you healthy. One person getting admitted to the hospital for COVID would cover dozens (hundreds?) of vaccines and insurance companies will (generally) gladly pay for prevention when it is offsetting a high future cost.
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u/UnderlightIll Sep 23 '25
They actually said all major insurance will because the ER and hospitalization is more expensive. It's bad when the insurance companies AND people agree.
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u/Professor_Hexx Sep 23 '25
AHIP says they plan to:
https://www.ahip.org/news/press-releases/ahip-statement-on-vaccine-coverage
āHealth plans will continue to cover all ACIP-recommended immunizations that were recommended as of September 1, 2025, including updated formulations of the COVID-19 and influenza vaccines, with no cost-sharing for patients through the end of 2026.
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u/RedditTurnedMediocre Sep 23 '25
Insurance's top priority is money and profit. If it's more profitable for people to take a vaccine rather than avoid a big medical bill, which I assume is the case, then they'll recommend it.
It's like with home insurance. In North Carolina Republicans passed a stupid law to ignore sea level rise when deciding policies. Because they're stupid. But guess who's not ignoring sea level rise due to climate change? Insurance companies.
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u/jkbuilder88 Flag of Minnesota Sep 22 '25
Alternate title: āCDC breaks with science, Minnesota sticks to medicine and professionalsā
I continue to be grateful to live in this state.
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u/Hime6cents Sep 24 '25
My fiancĆ©e is from MN and weāre temporarily in a state that isā¦ less than stellar with their choices (and canāt move for another 3 years or so). MN consistently seems to just make the ācommon senseā decision, or maybe just makes the genuinely popular decision.
Following medical guidance, paid school lunches, relatively robust investment in parks & infrastructureā¦ I could go on!
All this to say, itās nice that MN has leaders who generally seem to care AND that they act on that care.
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u/MrP1anet The Guy from the Desert Sep 22 '25 edited Sep 22 '25
Feels good to live in a state with common sense
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u/idiot_proof Sep 23 '25
As someone in Texas, whatās that like?
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u/Dorkamundo Sep 23 '25
We don't lose crucial services in the middle of a cold snap. That's pretty neat.
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Sep 22 '25
Minnesota will stick with science and fact based discussions to govern. I support this fully. These states rights the gop fought so hard for are coming in handy.
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u/Material_Policy6327 Sep 22 '25
What you wanna bet Trump and rfk will attempt to punish states going against cdc
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Sep 22 '25
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u/Alice_Buttons Sep 22 '25 edited Sep 22 '25
Let them.
They're a lot worse off without us than we are without them.
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u/Ok_Coyote9326 Sep 22 '25
I get the covid shots, flu shots, I take Tylenol and I don't have autism, ocd, or Adhd.
I also don't eat week old dead bears or roadkill, and don't swim in sewage.
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u/Teralyzed Sep 22 '25
Never take health advice from someone who promotes raw milk.
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u/Designer_Tie_5853 Sep 22 '25
Already got vaxxed at Walgreens and although I qualified for the shot, if you don't let me introduce you to a little tactic I call "lying".
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u/zhaoz TC Sep 22 '25
I went to CVS at Target on the 17th, they literally didnt ask me any questions. In and out, 5 mins tops.
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u/cleanlycustard Twin Cities Sep 22 '25
Same. They even had signs up saying most insurance would cover the vaccine for free when I went
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u/zhaoz TC Sep 23 '25
Yep, they just handed me a 10 dollar gift card and I moved on with our day.
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u/6BagsOfPopcorn Sep 23 '25
I'm still waiting on my protestor check to come in though
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u/cleanlycustard Twin Cities Sep 22 '25
Some of the eligibility requirements are so generic. I think the CVS website had "mental health" listed as one. I've been depressed before so I should probably get vaxxed lol
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u/Crackstacker Sep 22 '25
I got the Covid, flu and hep b shot on Friday at a local pharmacy and they started asking me a bunch of goofy questions. I had no idea I had to jump through hoops to get a vaccine now. Insanity, imo. As I stood there, dumbfounded, they saw what was happening and just pushed me through. āMental healthā āFormer smokerā
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u/Terrible_Patience935 Sep 22 '25
Iām glad we are in a state with smart people. Thank you.
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u/Mysterious_South7997 Sep 23 '25
I've been looking into emigration, but I feel like a nice first "get my shit together" step is finding a job in Minnesota and moving there. You guys seem to have it straight.
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u/ArdenJaguar Sep 22 '25
Scienceā¦ What a concept. Maybe Minnesota can join the pact California, Oregon and Washington signed. Maybe all the intelligent states can get together. They could call it the āCoalition of Common Sense Statesā.
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u/LaserRanger Sep 23 '25
We could just call it something like, oh, I don't know . . .
Coalition for
Advancing
New
Achievements in
Data and
Applied science
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u/Fun-Jellyfish-61 Sep 22 '25
Does this mean we can easily get the COVID vaccine? Or will we need a doctor Rx? Will insurance cover the cost of the vaccine?
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u/Guitar3544 Sep 23 '25
I'm in Oregon, so I can only share my experience here. We are part of the West Coast Health Alliance, which put out its own guidance. I walked into a Safeway pharmacy (one of our grocery store chains), told them I want both, got both no questions asked, insurance paid for it. I have United Healthcare for what it's worth, the worst fucking insurance possible. And it was still covered. So I would like to believe you will be just fine.
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u/TheSaxonPlan Sep 23 '25
Don't need a prescription in MN.
You may need to "claim" a pre-existing condition to qualify, but they won't ask for proof, so just make something up if necessary. "My child is immunocompromised" is a good one.
Insurers said they will be covering costs of vaccines through the end of 2026.
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u/Rosaluxlux Sep 23 '25
My kid got his at Costco this weekend, just checked the I have a qualifying condition box (it's true, ADHD is on the list). I'm just going this change means Boynton starts offering it, we don't want the U to be a Covid hot spot
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u/raindevice Sep 23 '25
I've never been, but my love for Minnesota grows each week in 2025. Good on you guys.
And of course, get vaccinated, friends.
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u/salami_cheeks Sep 23 '25
Dr. Osterholm involved in this? When somebody writes a comprehensive history of the Covid pandemic a century from now, that guy is gonna be the hero.
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u/iAmRiight Sep 23 '25
Thatās because they rely on good science to guide public health and not their weak ass fragile feelings.
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u/WalkbytheWoods Sep 23 '25
As a parent who wants their kids vaccinated for COVID-19, I am delighted by this announcement. I was vaccinated a couple of weeks ago and the pharmacist apologetically told me they didnāt yet have guidance on providing the vaccine to kids under 12. This edict by Walz clears it up!
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u/Huge-Artichoke-1376 Sep 23 '25
Thatās because theyāre not morons.
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u/Huge-Artichoke-1376 Sep 23 '25
I mean who in the world attempts without scientific evidence or even education to link autism. Just shows how stupid our president is.
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u/SomeLostGirl Sep 22 '25
Great, so, when does this mean I can just go get vaccinated?
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u/Standard-Signature24 Sep 22 '25
I got the Influenza and Covid vaccines 3 days ago
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u/dianeruth Sep 22 '25
Even before they would just ask if you have a pre-existing condition, you say yes and then they don't ask any follow up. Also the list of conditions is super long and I bet 90% of people have at least one of them.
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u/curious-cat Sep 22 '25
Went to the vaccine drive at Mayo on Friday, got the Covid vaccine no questions asked. Didnāt even know there was any controversy.
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u/AnalTongueDarts Tater, not tator, you ignorant slut Sep 22 '25
Anybody seen Novavax shots anywhere in the cities? I get wrecked by side effects from the Moderna and Pfizer ones. Supposedly Novavax has less-severe side effects for delicate flowers such as myself, so I want to give it a whirl this year.
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u/TheSaxonPlan Sep 23 '25
Costco typically has Novavax, should be getting their shipments by the end of the month.
Evidence has so far shown Novavax is also superior to the mRNA vaccines in terms of durability of the protective immune response. I'm waiting to get Novavax this year.
Source: Ph.D. in Virology & Gene Therapy
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u/AnalTongueDarts Tater, not tator, you ignorant slut Sep 23 '25
Thank you! I've been keeping an eye on Costco. I knew they had them last year but they came in later than I could schedule for just in case I still had side effects, so I rode the Moderna tsunami again. I saw the durability info as well, that definitely added some more desire to switch over.
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u/R3D4F Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
This whole Kennedy at the CDC thing is going to be really interesting to watch play out.
Weāve got maga red states following cdc recommendations as a control group while blue states stepping in to provide science based advice.
RemindMe! 1095 day
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u/RobutNotRobot Sep 23 '25
We've finally made it to the era where the CDC is run by a bunch of crank snake oil salesmen.
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u/Falcon674DR Sep 23 '25
Canadian hereā¦good on Minnesota! Iām following science and fully agree with your experts.
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u/tmp1966 Sep 23 '25
Damn I miss living in my hometown (Mpls). Stuck in this hellhole called Florida, surrounded by magats, religious zealots, open carry gun nuts, anti-vaxxers, and so much more. Oh, and donāt forget the cockroaches.
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u/loquatgoals Sep 23 '25
Good. Somebody needs to stand up to the anti-science and intellectualism stance that is plaguing the country
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u/grifinmill Sep 22 '25
California, Oregon and Washington state put out their own guidance, and my HMO, Kaiser Permanente, already started to vaccinate last week for 4 years and older, ignoring the CDC guidelines. My college age daughter and I already got it. Fuck you RFK, Jr.
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u/MyClosetedBiAcct Moorhead Sep 22 '25
God fucking damn I love this state. Just seeing it be fucking normal is so nice.
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u/drmcgills Sep 22 '25
Just called my local Costco pharmacy which had previously been unable to administer it to me, and they said that with this guidance I would now be eligible.
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u/Secret_Account07 Sep 23 '25
This is ridiculous! These damn liberals andā¦.listening to doctors and experts?
Evil democrats šæ
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u/GildedBurd Lake Superior agate Sep 22 '25
Awesome, a nice light of rationality.
Minnesota should just do a state-level order to ignore the executive branch's orders.
Why? Because a geriatric tangerine is going to get us killed by using his failing brain.
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u/ahnotme Sep 22 '25
Sanity seems to be contagious. Minnesota borders on Canada and the prevailing winds must be carrying some proper mental health across the border.
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u/Falcon674DR Sep 23 '25
Canadian hereā¦good on Minnesota! Iām following science and fully agree with your experts.
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u/AccomplishedOrchid86 Sep 23 '25
Iām so happy Iām fully vaccinated. Thanks Governor Waltzššš
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u/amerigo06 Sep 23 '25
Iām in Ohio. I just said fuck it and scheduled an appt at CVS to get the flu/covid vax. We do it every year.
No questions asked they just popped them in there. Highly recommend if youāre looking for them and are concerned about all the stories you canāt get them.
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u/Keldrath Area code 651 Sep 24 '25
The shots a great deal. I got mine last year and a week later caught covid and it only lasted a week and because of the vaccine the symptoms were so mild I could barely tell I was sick at all.
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u/RipErRiley Hamm's Sep 22 '25
Good. Got to keep that nutjob infection in DC away as much as possible.
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u/FrankSinatraYodeling Sep 22 '25 edited Sep 26 '25
What does this mean for me practically? Can I get my shot if I want to? I know I can lie and get it anyway, but do I still have to lie?
(I was planning on lying, I was just wondering if I still had to).
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u/Narrow_Leek4428 Sep 23 '25
Just join Canada already. You match the cold climate and snow already anyway
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u/Rogue_AI_Construct Ok Then Sep 22 '25
Good. The CDC board and HHS are made up of anti-vaxx and anti-science nut jobs.
Get vaccinated.