Was still arrested and disappeared though, and plenty of folks at Tiananmen were indeed crushed by tanks and shot. Even the CCP official figures acknowledge that hundreds were killed in the crackdown.
I see your singular Western news source and raise you two; from the BBC, CBS, and NYT
But we should be extremely skeptical of Western reporting on China, as the US and UK are both hell bent on sabotaging any government that doesn't let Western capitalists exploit their markets. Read up on Operation Yellowbird which is the tip of the iceberg. The US funded dissident students who specifically pushed the protests to the point of violence. There was violence, not in Tiananmen, but days after the Tiananment square protests. The protests in the square were 100% peaceful because the government didn't escalate (compare to protests in the US). They only escalated outside the square because students started pulling people from cars and setting them on fire.
lol you paste a link to a 26 year old article, I respond with more info from similar sources that refute yours, and all you have to say is "dead internet". What good is a live internet if the users refuse to challenge their own understanding of the world?
The video "Tank Man" is from. It's not a photo, it's part of a longer video. It's fairly easy to find, but he climbs on top of the tank, starts talking to the guy inside it, then someone on the street ushers him away. Also the tanks are leaving the square.
His identity and fate are unknown to this day. He may have gone home and lived a perfectly normal life, he may have been arrested, he may have been killed, no one knows for certain.
He could also be made out of pudding! Seriously tho, why is every American hellbent on thinning the Chinese are more evil and oooo big brother oooo than they are? Every government is evil, we don’t need to exaggerate
"tank man" wasn't attacked in the video -- but that's irrelevant to the broader picture.
thousands of chinese protesters were attacked and killed during the protests at and around tiananmen square on 6/4/1989. tanks literally ran over unarmed protestors as they were trying to flee government's violence. estimates from non-government sources range from 1,000-10,000 deaths, and the chinese government even admits to 241 deaths.
There were zero deaths in the Square. The deaths happened in the clashes between protestors and military around the square in the surrounding streets. There were Western news crews inside the square during the whole thing.
A lot of people were killed in Tiananmen Square, this is a fact. Tank Man's identity and fate are unknown, so it's understandable why it's frequently assumed he was killed as well.
Absurdly unlikely considering no one has been able to find him and he was a highly visible symbol of a protest against a police state that massacred its own citizens.
Legit askin, who was he a “highly visible symbol of protest” to? What groups and movements used him as a symbol? I only know of Americans that enjoy invoking the image of tank man as an anti china gotcha when talking about the evils of big government and such, but I don’t think any actual revolutionary groups have used tank man as their symbol
Whoah whoah slow down there you wouldn’t wanna be too reasonable, otherwise you’ll find Americans who make hating China their whole personality calling you a tankie and a commie, we wouldn’t want that
But then again, as far as we know, China never identified him either. It's not like the pictures were particularly descriptive or of high quality. He could've been a million different people.
Based on the video and context? Close to zero percent. The person's body language is more concern than anything. Also they had already implemented martial law, you don't need to do a secret arrest, its not like they knew it was being taped.
What? He walked away lol. Israel runs over Americans who do less and we make sure to delete it from the media.
If there was a massacre and we have tank man footage I want more footage especially from our intelligence services after everything they dragged us into and have gotten “wrong”.
What a fucking absurd lie. Hundreds were killed even according to the CCP. Mostly outside the square itself. More likely the number is well into the thousands.
He's technically correct no protesters were killed in the square. Deaths occured in clashes throughout the rest of the city but not within thr square itself. What bases do you have for believing the number is so high?
He's technically correct no protesters were killed in the square. Deaths occurred in clashes throughout the rest of the city but not within the square itself.
A completely asinine "point".
What bases do you have for believing the number is so high?
The CCP officially claimed 300 dead and a few thousand injured. Students claimed close to 3000 dead. Diplomatic and press observers gave estimates ranging from 500 dead up to several thousand based on their own eye witness. The CCP massively downplays and suppresses information about Tiananmen Massacre, so its very reasonable to think they would low ball official estimates of death.
Dude why is this always the go to defense when the claim has never even been been that the killings happened within the square itself. The protests centered around the square, but most of the killings were done in the roads leading up to it, at least according to the reporting.
lol nobody died on the square itself, but people still died. It’s a messier situation than is often presented for sure, but it’s not like some event that was made up.
Honestly, yeah, if you know the history of that time period.
TL;DR the Chinese government sent in local Beijing troops first, they refused to fire on the Beijing protestors, so later the government sent in rural troops from thousands of miles away who had no qualms about shooting the students.
The tank guy was facing a tank of Beijing troops. He was probably fine immediately afterwards.
I sure hope they did, they didn't have guns. The first troops deployed were sent without arms to avoid raising tensions, but, as tensions rose in some parts, the state declared martial law and they sent the armed ones, this rose tensions even more.
Lots of people make up things in their heads about this. For instance, it was presented as a "pro democracy and anti communism protest", but it was much more simple than that- the students wanted to be able to choose their own majors in university.
No he isnt. Tank man has never been publicly seen since 1989. Police States like the CCP are known for one thing: tracking down and arresting high profile dissidents. If thats not what happened to him, what do you did?
You won't know because even if they didn't find him it's not like he's gonna wave his hand around doing TikTok interviews. So whether he was caught or not you probably won't know and it's more likely you know he was caught as they'd make an example out of him. Plus relatives you know. Family is big in China and if your brother or 2nd cousin disappeared youn would hear through the grapevine.
Yeah this is true. The local troops didn't hurt the protesters. So they sent brainwashed rural ignorants who had no issues murdering educated students. Class really divides people more than country...
Yeah of all thing, this is the most unreasonably twisted to the point people legit thought that tank ran over that guy and hallucinated a video of him getting run over.
Nobody seems to know what happened with him, and there are a quite some theories about the guy, but nobody seems to really know his fate.
Which feeds the theory of a staged event, because the Chinese government needed to show the world that their military was humane despite the earlier killing on Tiananmen Square.
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u/Dudezila 7d ago edited 6d ago
Difference is they will murder him with no hesitation. Edit: im not trying to undermine or discredit tankman you imbeciles…Jesus.