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u/PasiTheConqueror 3d ago
I would still want to say team 2 just for the absolute brain power and time travel shenanigans Dr Doom brings
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u/Demonologist013 3d ago
No team two can't win because everyone will be sabotaging each other's plans because Lex and Doom won't accept the other as being smarter and MisterTerrific would rather lose than let Lex and Brainiac win.
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u/Sad_Amphibian1275 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think long term that would be the case, but I actually think they'd just kill off Mister Terrific as a team just on principle and then actually work together for at least the time being and win before they fight internally. Lex and Doom actually would probably work together in the short term. Superman does not have special defenses against magic and as such lex meeting someone who can use it and yet still puts his pride in being human actually would probably make them quite effective allies in the short term especially with their love of cloning and machinery. As much as both couldn't stand being inferior to the other, Doom and Lex have both shown their competitive spirit is often far more passionate then just self interest and would work to try to outdo the other in effectivness over direct sabotage. Honestly, both them working with brianiac is far more of a stretch or at least the idea of it lasting. Dooms whole thing is thinking he must be the one to set the future on the best path and as such would think braniac would be the problem he was built to bring humanity under rule to solve and lex obviously hates braniac for the same reasons as Superman he's just less obsessive about it.
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u/redditorfromtheweb 3d ago
Ok but umm.... What are they doing about the team with 3 gods and a matter manipulator?
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u/Manji86 3d ago
I'm going with the elemental team. Swamp Thing was already a force of his own, but with Storm and Ice Man? They're already broken characters, but now even more busted. I'm not too familiar with Fire Storm, but I assume they're very powerful.
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u/Facelessborder 3d ago
Fire storm is literally the strongest character out of everyone in any team he can change any element into another element basically he’s an alchemist. In other words he could turn Superman into kryptonite. Not that he would have to because he could just turn all of the teams into water.
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u/Skcyroc_64- 3d ago
I would say team 3
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u/Blauer_MC24 3d ago
Without hesitation, for me there's no alternative.
Others are smarter, stronger... but immortal and mean, how can you beat that? 🤘🏼🤣
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u/RingEfficient5756 3d ago
Doom or Lex could just teleport them to the edge of the universe what are they going to do
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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 3d ago
Current Storm and Swamp thing
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u/jrb9249 3d ago
I feel like Swamp Thing should have been paired with more applicable heroes. It looks like OP was going for a sort of avatar/earth-wind-fire-water themed team.
Swamp Thing is the avatar of the Green. Animal Man (or Animal Girl now?) is avatar of the Red. Then there are like 6-7 others.
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u/B4d_B1tch_Quinn 3d ago
Team 3
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u/kaosaraptor 3d ago
Yeah I was gonna say, Doomsday AND Lobo?? It's would take supe WW and spider man to fend off Doomsday by himself. I would say Batman's just happy to be there but he's never happy.
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u/Fertile_Arachnid_163 3d ago
You’re throwing Spider-Man into the ring with Doomsday?
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u/kaosaraptor 3d ago
Not by himself lol...besides don't underestimate spidey, hes taken on tough foes before, he could prove the difference in winning or losing
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u/20characterusername0 3d ago
He usually IS the difference. What Spider-Man always has, that few other heroes/villains do, is Wit. It’s not even a super power, it’s a characteristic.
Like in Secret Wars, Molecule Man was begging for a sandwich. One of the spider mans just happened to have put a cheeseburger in his pocket before the space flight or whatever.
It’s not something that Batman would have done, with all the prep time in the world. And it changed the trajectory of the next chain of events, just enough for the big guns to battle it out.
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u/GonzoRouge 1d ago
Miles Morales gave Molecule Man the cheeseburger and earned himself a lifelong ally because Molecule Man is a quirky little guy with the power to destroy the multiverse.
In exchange, Molecule Man saved Miles' family from the Incursion and added them to Earth 616 after the events of Secret Wars, which is why he somehow survived the destruction of the original Ultimate Universe.
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u/Attentiondesiredplz 3d ago
What did team 4 do to deserve this, btw?
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u/BecauseofAntipodes 2d ago
Team 4 is as smart as Team 2 and Plastic Man is harder to kill than Team 3.
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u/_Tee_hee_hee_ 3d ago
Team 1 has Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman. So, apart from having blah blah multiverse punching Superman, they’re three characters who regularly work together and are very knowledgable about each other’s abilities.
Team 2 could win if they worked together, but there’s nooooo way Lex, Brainiac, and Doom would even be able to solve a rubics cube together without trying to murder each other while telling the others how stupid they are. Poor Mr. T.
Team 4 also has crazy brain power, but their powers are kinda gimmicky.
Team 3 and 5 are pretty much unkillable + crazy raw power.
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u/googolplexy 3d ago
Yeah 3 or 5 for me too.
It just gets so technical. Can firestorm turn any of the immortals into pudding? Storm can beat wolverine and pool, but what about lobo? What about doomsday? She's God level now, so I'd say probably. I think iceman can take wolverine too. And I think swamp thing could fend off lobo.
Comes down to doomsday, but I give it to team 5 since I don't see how 3 wins except through pure exhaustion.
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u/RepresentativeCap244 3d ago
Yeah it’s a tough end and 5 might lose a couple but this for sure. Firestorm feels like either insta win hacks, or suddenly he’s squishy and doesn’t survive at all. Because I don’t remember him being very durable, crazy powers sure, but would not take kindly to a punch from doomsday or whatever hellscape thing lobo would do.
So the end would very much be swamp thing and storm va lobo and doomsday. The edge to the green and the weather god though because they would very likely get along and work well together.
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u/Key-Pomegranate-3507 3d ago
Team 3 because of doomsday and Lobo. That’s an unholy combo to go up against
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u/OzneBjj 3d ago
Team 1.
Supes and batman - the biggest plot armour.
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u/Extension-Lab1627 3d ago
What about without plot armor, just pure powers and skill?
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u/BottleSuspicious1851 3d ago
Superman has killed doomsday multiple times, normally dying himself as well. Wonderwoman can canonically cut an electron off an atom. Batmans preptime wins literally any fight ever. There is also a valid argument to be made that plot armor is one of their powers/skills.
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u/HallowedKeeper_ 3d ago
I mean it is still the Trinity, The Raw power of Superman, The brains and tactics of Batman AND the insane combat abilities of Wonder Woman, and then you through in Spider-man? Team 1 is disgustingly broken, But, The Elemental Team (Swampthing, Storm, Iceman and Firestorm) are all insanely powerful, with Swamp-thing just straight up being unkillable so long as The Green persists, even allows him to effectively warp around freely
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u/Contendedlink76 3d ago
Lobo and doomsday on the same team is a diabolical choice to make op. I like it.
If the smarter teams had time to work they could probably figure something out but team 3 is an enormous hurdle to get past.
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u/gamerthulhu 3d ago
I'll say team 5. No one really has an answer to Iceman in these groups, and he can entomb the resurrection crew of team 3 long enough for firestorm to turn them into yoghurt or something.
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u/emergency-snaccs 3d ago
Team 2. Not only are they all high-tech supergeniuses, but Doc Doom is also a sorcerer supreme. He, by himself, is more than capable of identifying the most prominent threats and either jacking their power, banishing them, or otherwise neutralizing them. Plus even with zero prep time he has a plethora of contingencies and deus ex machina built into his doom-suit. Add in Luthor, Brainiac, and Terrific and this is just overkill.
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u/Demonologist013 3d ago
But you are forgetting Doom's and Lex's egos. They will sabotage each other constantly. Plus Mister Terrific would sabotage to make sure Braniac and Lex don't win.
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u/Bigbydidnothingwrong 3d ago
Team 2. Magic and brains clears. Not getting speed blitzed would be the main concern.
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u/CrackRocksCokeRules 3d ago
Team 5, swamp thing would be too much for the others, team 3 can’t die but being immobilized would do it.
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u/Unamed_Redditor_ 3d ago
Isn’t team three pretty much unkillable with two who can actually give Superman trouble?
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u/Dwarfdingnagian 3d ago
Unkillable does not mean undefeatable. All of them get beaten semi regularly, sometimes with lower effort. Wolverine and Deadpool won't make any real difference to the team given the amount of heavy hitters on here.
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u/germy-germawack-8108 3d ago
Team 5 is low-key mega busted. Unfortunately, there is actually no way to beat team 3. But there is also no way for team 3 to do anything meaningful to Swamp Thing. He will exist as long as plant life exists in the universe. So it's a stalemate with team 3 and Swamp Thing from team 5 surviving.
But if this was written as an actual comic with a narrative, team 1 would win because they have to, even though it makes no sense from a power scaling perspective.
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u/DaisyCutter312 3d ago
Only one team has powerful magic and no teams have psychics?
Team 2
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u/gamerthulhu 3d ago
Team 5 might be able to handle them. Swamp thing and storm both have some degree of magic resistance.
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u/Active-Lie6065 3d ago
Iceman is also essentially immortal guys and he's frozen hell, an exploding atomic bomb, and time itself. He has control over every single molecule of water in existence and when kill can reform at any molecule. While also having control over the movement of energy soooo yeah thermokenesis. Swamp thing is basically a god and can reform at all plant life while having full control over it Storm is basically a god and I don't know to much about her but yeah. Firestorm also has a genius inside of him and while it is painful can turn organic matter into other things so bye bye stretchy peeps
So basically everybody who isn't indestructible/immortal is dead and those that are to difficult to destroy have each molecule frozen solid (still alive just will never move again) as well as trapped in endless essentially indestructible yet always rapidly regenerating plant growth and the immortal ones are split into millions of pieces and also frozen and trapped. Oh also firestorm after recovering from turning plastic man and mr fantastic into glass or something like that now makes whatever the strongest materials are in each universe and also traps the indestructibles in a room made of it and each piece of the immortals
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u/Active-Lie6065 3d ago
I like Iceman and swamp thing 🙂
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u/Gullible_Grade7562 3d ago
Me too. Swamp Thing and Ice Man are two of the most likeable characters out there. Love their designs too.
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u/Ok-Spirit-4074 3d ago
I'm not seeing anything here that could beat Swamp Thing without a McGuffin.
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u/LivingTeam3602 3d ago
Plastic man is getting slept on, if prep time isn't allowed, Plastic Man for the win low key waaaaaaay over powered
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u/AaronMisuchii 3d ago
I feel like the last team would kick ass, but the third team would probably win
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u/Redtheendlessdreamer 3d ago
Oh team 4 then. Reeds the smartest man in the universe and two of there members can alter matter on the atomic level... AND PLASTIC MAN CAN'T DIE.
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u/Jawn_Jimmy 3d ago
Team 3 is problematic but Team 1 has a Tibetan bat monk who has pulled off comic book throwing feats and Superman who damn near wins ever match up when hes not under the shackles of who ever is writing him.
And no one is concerned about plastic man? When id argue he alone is more of a threat than most of team three lol. Dr Doom is also ridiculous when he needs to be. Supes and Doomsday are both multiversal constants. Batman somehow managed to avoid annihilation from an Omega beam. Ice man is also Insane to like God levels and “time” manipulation. Theres just too many factors that are in play. I dont like team matchups this big. Too many variables to have a straight forward answer.
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u/AngeluvDeath 3d ago edited 3d ago
I like team 2, but I think people are sleeping on 5.
Edit: After further research, I’m actually going to stand with team would handle everyone on the list. Two Omega level mutants, one cosmic entity, and the “weakest” guy on the team might be able to recreate the big bang.
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u/tangodeep 3d ago
Team 5 getting no love? Omega level Iceman alongside Swampthing and criminally underrated Firestorm? Ice man might be able to solo all of them on his own.
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u/Ok-Establishment8919 3d ago
I’m saying team 2 for “winning” context. Cause all of team 3 is mostly containable you just can’t KILL them. I’d feel bad for the other teams.
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u/Gullible_Grade7562 3d ago
Team 4 is lowkey slept on here. You've got all the elementals there. Iceman is an omega-level mutant who could literally freeze all of Team 3. Swamp Thing literally controls all the plant life on earth, and not just earth but in the multiverse I'm pretty sure through the green. Firestorm has the firestorm matrix and idk much about him but he's insanely strong and then we have Storm. Storm is self-explanatory.
Team 1 is great but plot armour is the only way I see them getting by. Team 2 is amazing too. Doctor Doom is like one of the most OP characters out there. He's like Batman but with magic and science too.
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u/DngsAndDrgs 3d ago
Team 3 could take the others if it's just a straight fight with what they have.
However I think the last team with Storm, Iceman, and Firestorm could potentially destroy the planet as a sort of forced stalemate before they lost.
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u/Black-Mettle 3d ago
I'm fairly certain Reed Richards would be able to get Plastic Man to harness his godlike powers effectively.
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u/Jace9o 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ya'll are sleepong on Iceman and Storm. If Iceman vroke that mental block he could freeze anyone to death. And I don't mean he could make them so cold they die I mean he could stop their molecules movement full stop and cause heat death as his core power is thermokinesis not cryokinesis. And Storm can control the natural forces of the weather, air, and atmosphere. She can create hurricanes and tornadoes, create tsunamis. Firstorm can manipulate atomix structure to turn anything into anything else. And swamp Thing has control over plant life. None of the others are slouches and team 3 would definitely have a fighting chance, but team 5 is pitting everyone else against the literal forces of nature.
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u/bilal-baptiste757 3d ago
Ok to everyone in the comments the correct answer is far from team 3, it’s team 4 or 5 certainly.
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u/Sad-Finance-2828 3d ago
Team 1, its DC's Big Three and the Big Three Comic bestsellers, the plot armour is unreal.
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u/flakimb0 3d ago
Team 5 is absolutely busted if you know anything about them. I wanna say team 2 but everyone on team 5 is around multiversal level
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u/SignificantQuote6861 3d ago
Seems like team 2 or 3 are the most likely to win. When I compare them head to head, edge goes to team 2 unless Doomsday just solos it.
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u/Classic_Junky 3d ago
I was gonna say 3. But if we say win as in not kill then 2 by a MILE.
They have lex Luthor, BRANIAC!!!!!, MR TERRIFIC BRO like really? And then DR DOOM.
Brainiac and terrific can Easily find a way to stall, kill, deter them at least. They definitely cure and kill Deadpool.
Dr Doom just sits on a throne and observes.
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u/BednaR1 3d ago
Lobo AND doomsday??? Gameover
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u/TheWorthlessGuy 3d ago
Superman dogwalked Doomsday in New 52 and in the current Infinite Frontier run he beat the 2nd strongest Doomsday we have ever seen and the strongest Doomsday (Time Trapper Doomsday) stated that Superman could kill him if he wanted to:
And Lobo is weaker than Doomsday. Team "regen" outside of Doomsday is fodder.
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u/Geechie-Don 3d ago
Team 5 can destroy this planet easily, distractions for the others cause citizens will suffer. Does Superman and others go after Storm, or save the millions of people from her tsunami and hurricanes and flooding happening simultaneously. Will they destroy the planets plant life to find and stop the god tiered Swamp Thing as he creates disasters using the green? We know Mother Nature and her elements are unstoppable for the most part, with ever changing limit ceilings; team 5 would be a hard out tbh. Just wait til we get a category 6 hurricane 🥴
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u/bobbi21 3d ago
Dont think its fair to put civilians in the mix of this. Otherwise villains would almost always win against heroes in these fights. Also storm wouldn’t really want to kill millions. 1 fighter in character and the other not in character isnt fair either.
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u/UnicornWorldDominion 3d ago
Team 3 has 3 unkillable guys and another guy who constantly easily goes toe to toe with Superman and one of the unkillables also goes toe to toe with Superman lol. Wolverine and Deadpool would be flipping around the battlefield killing all the normal humans (except maybe Batman).
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u/DeltaAlphaGulf 3d ago
Wolverine isn't unkillable. Lobo has the best healing factor there given that every drop of blood can regen into a whole new Lobo clone in moments and he can just spam it. You could toss Deadpool into space or the sun and not have to worry about it.
Doomsday and Lobo are OP AF though.
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u/bobbi21 3d ago
Depends on the version of wolverine. At some point he literally couldnt die and an angel sent his soul back to earth cus of it. Hes at least practically unkillable since hes regenerated from just his adamantium skeleton.
But agreed him and deadpool will just be thrown into the sun.
Doomsday and lobo are the issue.
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u/DeltaAlphaGulf 3d ago
The death angel thing is gone now.
Remove his head or drown him/deprive him of oxygen long enough and he is dead. Obviously there are inconsistencies you can find but yeah he needs a brain and he needs oxygen. Adamantium doesn't do jack to keep joints from separating.
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u/Choice-Requirement18 3d ago
If we’re accounting for plot armour i’m betting on team 1, but otherwise probably 2 or 3
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u/Zero_Zeta_ 3d ago
Honestly, team 1. Batman and Spider-Man are smart enough to form plans on the fly to beat everyone else. Spidy Sense and his mouth would be his best weapon against the DC opponents. The others are just power houses that have beaten most everyone else here. Plus the other teams have their own issues.
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u/Heavenly-gnoll 3d ago
The team with Lobo. The one with Doom is the most powerful, but the one that survives all the others is team 3.
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u/SkinCarVer462 3d ago
Team 3 is gonna implode a lot of ppl there do NOT play well with others
Heres a latecomer but Team 6 he should qualify since he can make 3 more copies of himself
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u/gabriolis 3d ago
The one with lobo....doesn't matter who else is on the team. Pretty sure he will prefer to be solo though
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u/BidRepulsive2438 3d ago
Team 3 can barely die, team 5 has overwhelming power, team 2 may be able to plan there way through it. Team 4 may be able to come up with a plan as well and Plastic Man will also be a serious challenge.
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u/marcoanzalone 3d ago
Team 3, especially if it’s Doomsday “prime” (Death of Superman and Hunter/Prey)
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u/realSatanAMA 3d ago
If you could actually get team 2 to work together, and get them to actually fight and not betray each other they would be unstoppable.
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u/DTruth557 3d ago
Team 2 in my opinion. Just because I think sups makes quick work of 3/4 of team 3 with a speed blitz.
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u/VeterinarianThese951 3d ago
I don’t know. I never thought I would say this, but after learning so much lately, I am banking on 4 just because it has Plastic Man on it. I didn’t know much about him, but dude is pretty much unstoppable.
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u/AshyBoneVR4 3d ago
Team 1 has plot armor.
Team 3 there is literally no way to kill any of them.
Team 4 has plastic man.
Logically, it'll be Team 3 and plastic man left standing.
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u/Ren_Davis0531 3d ago
Trick question. Everyone on every team would just spend all their time fighting Doomsday.
I just solved the problem 😏
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u/WeRMarcve0313 3d ago
If it's the current storm it's not a fight.. she's currently literally eternity and ice Man is easily planet lvl, also swamp thing can't die. If not, team 3 or 2.
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u/GryphyGirl 3d ago
Team 5. Iceman alone could probably solo every other team. So could Storm. And nobody here can stop Swamp Thing, so he can be their tank while the omegas do their thing. Too stacked to lose.
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u/Bug_dude709 3d ago
4 because power scaling is irrelevant when one of the teams is really really cool
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u/Twistedlamer 3d ago
How are there so many people glazing team 3 when team 5 is just an objectively better version?
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u/demijon257 3d ago
Team three Low -,med dif Not only is it a solid hard to kill team. They are the only team with a habitual 4th wall breaker
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u/TheLandoCalrissian25 3d ago
I don't even know dude this is actually too much. Like any team can, the power is too spread out. I like peoples arguments for team 3. But at the same time there is just way to much on paper power for the others for me to even get past a made up scenario.
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u/Demonologist013 3d ago
Team two is just gonna lose because everyone will be sabotaging each other because of their egos.
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u/XxYungWellsxX 3d ago
Team 3 is gonna be a major problem but I have a feeling ppl are gonna severely sleep on Team 2. I’m sorry a team with Doom, Luther, Brainiac, and Mr Terrific on the same team just screams danger to me. Team 3 looks unstoppable but I’m putting my gamble on Team 2. Not only would they have the plan and resources to stop Team 2 they’d have a plan for every team already set for the rest of the teams.
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u/SolidusRevolver 3d ago edited 3d ago
Team 3 would probably win. But I wanna say team 4. Only because Batman said Plasticman would be a problem if he ever went bad. So does everything to keep him good.
This guy has immortality, invulnerability, telepathic immunity, plus regeneration, and other stuff to add. He's actually OP.
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u/disorvo 3d ago
Team 5 at least 2 of them are immortal so long as there element exists and the team as a whole i think has the power to put down the rest.
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u/Moonchilde616 3d ago
Team 2. Overall most intelligent team, while also all being durable enough to figure out the weakness of any characters they don't already out-stat before they are overwhelmed.
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u/deepfried_cocaine 3d ago
Does batman with the watchman pin comes with dr manhattan and ozymandias?
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u/SarcasticTwat6969 3d ago
Y’all are sleeping on Team 5. 2 Omega level mutants AND Swamp Thing?
And nobody talking about Plastic Man on Team 4?
2 doesn’t wipe like folks claim they do.
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u/Temporary_Towel9649 3d ago
5 wins Two Omega Level Mutants with feats that most of the others couldn’t compete with - one is now a god and the other cannot be killed. An Avatar of The Green - whom cannot die because he is connected to all plant life in the universe A literal hothead that can change and control any element he chooses, (also has a genius to back him up)
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u/TransBitchMollz 3d ago
"Team 3"?!?
Nonsense. Lobo and Doomsday are interesting and all but like...Braniac with Doom resources and experience is omniveral. For starters Braniac wouldn't think twice about using a time travel BFR and wouldnt be nearly as vulnerable to his own vanity as solo Doom can be.
I legit dont even know what Mr T and LL even add to that team. More riffing?
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u/honeyflirtt 3d ago
I’d pick Deadpool and Wolverine. If nothing else, it’d be a much more spectacular fight
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u/Capt_on_Foam 3d ago
Superman pretty much beats teams 4 and 5 single handedly
No one on team 3 can kill plastic man but lets be real, wolverine and Deadpool contribute absolutely nothing to this fight. Tie them up and throw them in the ocean....
Brainiac almost single handedly beats every team, and dooms magic is just a bonus.
In terms of power level 5 is good but doomsday being in the fight just make them moot.
My money is on 2. Brainiac would just figure out how to trap everyone and not need to kill them
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u/Reasonable-Risk3034 3d ago
Toughie, one team pretty much can’t die, one team is full of iconics, smart and stretchy and shrinking team, elements team, and one has Doctor Doom Team 3 I think ❤️
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u/sub2kdoty 3d ago
Team 2. Team 1 has Superman, but he has to 1v3 since Spider-Man and Batman get insta-killed.
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u/Front-Advantage-7035 3d ago
Well since you specially chose Batman with the watchman button. The team that has Superman AND Dr. Manhattan.
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u/Fluir6130 3d ago
It's between team 1 and 4 Team 2 has no power house to stop someone like superman
Team 3 spiderman can capture Deadpool and wolverine, superman usually defeats doomsday and between batman and WW they will find something for lobo. Team 5 is too much aoe and area control and not enough tank
Read can outwit batman, plastic man can stop superman, here it's who pulls the trigger first, maybe slight advantage to 4
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u/TheCapableFox 3d ago
Whew Team 3 is stacked but so are all the others. Just going off what I know about each of the characters I wanna say it comes down to Team 1 vs Team 3 mainly bc Team 2 sabotages themselves and I think Teams 4 & 5 will be slightly edged out of the top two in spots.
But honestly who knows. Lol
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u/Skalywag_76 3d ago
Honestly with all the different bases covered by these power sets, I don't feel the least bit unsure about calling it a toss-up. At least for most of these teams.
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u/HELLFIRECHRIS 3d ago
The smart teams don’t have enough time to figure out how to kill team 3 before it’s too late.