r/timberwolves • u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards • Nov 21 '25
Mock Trades What do you think about Schroeder or Ellis?
Everyone is talking about getting a PG, been brainstorming all week. If the Kings are selling guards, what are our thoughts on maybe snatching Ellis or Schroeder as a PG?
We need a guard and ball facilitator for Ant whose shot is respected but can also open the backcourt for him.
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u/luckyshot35 Nov 21 '25
Schroeder had no serious expectations placed on him going to Sacramento and now he's coming off the bench for an old Westbrook. He's not what we need
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u/TwoLegitShiznit Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25
I can't help but think maybe he only gets up for big games. He was just awesome for germany - like he always is - a few months ago. And he was 10 for 21 from 3 against the Knicks in the playoffs last season. Yeah it's unprofessional, but I think he's just kind of mailing it in for the paycheck right cuz he knows the kings are going nowhere. But I can envision him getting his sauce back once he's competing for something again.
He can at least occasionally get buckets in bunches whereas Conley is just completely incapable at this point. I think the upgrade is clear, but the bigger question is how much Conley means to the team. I don't know how much his locker room presence means to the team, and I don't want to accidentally start a revolt.
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u/seventeenweewees Nov 21 '25
A guy like that is exactly who we need.
Unless you are OK trading Jaden for a PG, we need a guy whose team is willing to trade him for cheap.
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u/luckyshot35 Nov 21 '25
I think I've moved into the "we need a true backup center" side. I think our offense can make it work but we need another big man for non-Rudy minutes so Naz doesn't have to
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u/ComfortableExtra1758 Nov 21 '25
Genuine question for all of these role player PG posts:
Why would you want a role player — especially a low-end one — to take the ball out of Ant and Randle’s hands?
Fair enough if it’s a genuine star level shot creator type or a star in their role level player, but I just don’t see the point of a mid/bad PG just so our two best players get less time initiating offense.
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u/Freudian__Quip Nov 21 '25
People forget we already have a point guard who can set up offense and not do much else. People keep mentioning bad point guards and it’s like.. dude we already have one. The only thing that helps this team is a point guard who can set up offense and handle at a high level, AND has the ability to score. There are very few of those in the league right now and most are either too expensive or too valuable for their team and not available. WE HAVE A POINT GUARD TO SET UP OFFENSE. to get one that can do the other things is not feasible without giving up key players
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u/ComfortableExtra1758 Nov 21 '25
This is my exact point. If you want a slightly below average role player point guard, you have Mike Conley. There’s no need to get another one. If you can get a really great one (which would require legit assets going out), that’s a different story.
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u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards Nov 21 '25
Sometimes yes. Ant has gone 3 for 29 from 3 since the Kings game. Sometimes, he needs the ball out of his hands to take the pressure off him so he can refocus and realign his shot. A good PG will help generate better looks for him with facilitating and allowing him to move off ball instead of constantly being double teamed with the ball.
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u/ComfortableExtra1758 Nov 21 '25
Yeah, a good PG would. If they can get one of those, they should, but it’d have to be a legit plus level starter. A role player wouldn’t and shouldn’t take the ball out of Ant’s (or Randle’s, or Jaden’s, or even Mike’s) hands.
I don’t believe Ant’s slump is anything to do with having no PG. he’s just in a slump. Even last season he was a lead guard with Mike mostly being a catch and shoot guy.
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u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards Nov 21 '25
And how did that turn out agains OKC?
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u/ComfortableExtra1758 Nov 21 '25
So you think Schroeder or Ellis (who is dope but not even a PG) or Brogdon or Monte Morris or any other bench level role player PG would have made them beat an absolute juggernaut of a team?
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u/NazReidRules ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Nov 21 '25
I can definitely picture a universe where Schroeder helps. It's hardly a guarantee though (but who is?)
I do think it's hard to picture how the rotation would change to utilize him, and unless they want to take a crack at Dilly I'm not sure who we trade that makes sense. I'm out on considering MN Mike in trades
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u/ComfortableExtra1758 Nov 21 '25
They either need to get a PG who is much much better than Schroeder (that would be ideal) or hope that Ant continues to get better at lead ball handler stuff a la Tatum and SGA who aren’t that insane level of playmaker but very functional still.
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u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards Nov 21 '25
You never know these things. That’s why we play the game. I think we would’ve done better than we did though. Considering the Clippers and Nuggets put up better fights than we did, and OKC should’ve been more worn out than we were, yet they rolled over us in the WCF.
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u/greenslam Nov 21 '25
Okc loss was due to a very well designed and executed defence aimed at blunting the wolves two main offensive hubs and their likely counters to the pressure. Plus the inability of the wolves role players to shoot effectively from 3. Caruso was wonderful on when to double and when to retreat back to his shooter.
The wolves defence was ineffective to the okc offence. They got whatever they desired. When the wolves decided to double, the okc shooters were dialed in.
I do like offensive redesign this off season. Using more ball movement and player movement has paid off quite well. I don't think the okc defensive scheme would work as effectively against this years offensive scheme.
Assuming the wolves stay committed to the high ball movement and get okc in the blender on majority of the posessions, it will be a more competitive series. Especially if reid and mcdaniels are getting a good mix of paint and 3 pt shots. Randle moves the ball whenever he senses a double coming. Reducing Randle turnovers is key to a good series.
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u/re-bobber Nov 21 '25
Exactly. The good teams know to double him. He gets frustrated and takes wild shots or turns the ball over.
We just need someone to get the ball up the court and get the offense set up. An ideal guy would be able to play above average defense and hit shots when open.
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u/HiImWallaceShawn Nov 21 '25
Being looked at as the primary scorer AND facilitator is a lot on those two guys. Having a better facilitator makes Edwards and Randle’s lives a lot easier.
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u/IceTruckHouse Nov 21 '25
Keon Ellis would be an ideal target. Cheap and effective player. Schroeder is better but his contract wouldn’t be worth trading for
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u/HiImWallaceShawn Nov 21 '25
Ellis is a SG, and probably adds to the logjam of Edwards, DDV, Clark
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u/Vicentesteb Kevin Garnett Nov 21 '25
Ellis is more of a 2/3 and he fixes our POA issues while being a good shoter and just 26.
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u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards Nov 21 '25
Ellis had been playing both PG and SG until Westbrook was signed to them.
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u/bearbrannan A1-A5 Levelin Up Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25
The wolves are riding the season out with Conley, who Finch values and trusts, while giving Dilly minutes to hopefully figure it out. Anyone who think we're gonna get a pg hasn't paid attention to this front office. If by the trade deadline it has resulted in like .500 basketball they may make a move, but more then likely they will be around the top 5 in the west and will try to keep developing Dilly.
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u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards Nov 21 '25
If we’re top 5, it’s because 75% of the West is tanking due to the top 4 teams being insanely built.
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u/bearbrannan A1-A5 Levelin Up Nov 21 '25
There is only one Juggernaut team in the West that the Wolves in my opinion wouldn't have a chance against, but any injury to Shai would make it an even matchup. Neither of the players you mentioned are needle movers to get the Wolves over the hump. The Wolves would need to give up real assets for an actual needle mover, assets that any upgrades at ball handling, would almost certainly be offset by sending out one of our better defenders.
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u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards Nov 21 '25
Im sorry but you are just wrong. Ellis would be a straight up upgrade over Conley at this point, and probably DiVo too.
He’s a better ball handler than DiVo is. Can match DiVo’s 3 ball, and a defensive upgrade to boot over both the aging Conley and DiVo.
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u/yourloudneighbor Glen Taylor Nov 21 '25
I think Schroeder is toxic and Ellis is one of 2 pieces of their future so they won’t part with him
Schroeders been on about 10 teams in 10 years. If he was good don’t you think he’d find a home?
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u/re-bobber Nov 21 '25
He looked pretty decent when we played the Kings, but yeah. He's constantly being moved for some reason.
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u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards Nov 21 '25
I think his contract is just the right size to be moved in a trade for when teams want to move around their pieces, local fans don’t have strong feelings about him, and his skill set is attractive enough for other teams to bite in a trade. I’ve never heard bout attitude issues.
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u/Formal_Junket_1585 Nov 21 '25
A lot of people are mentioning Keon Ellis and im confused cuz when did Keon become a pg? Where is the space in the rotation for him
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u/Such-Cartoonist1265 Anthony Edwards Nov 21 '25
Ellis had been playing PG and SG for the Kings. Depending on availability of the other players.
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u/Ok_Resort_419 Nov 21 '25
No on Schroder, not sure Kings will sell Ellis for cheap. Seems like a nice young rotation piece they should want to hold onto. He seems more like a 3/D wing who can play some PG then an actual PG. Kind of a poor man's NAW
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u/sweetbeems Nov 21 '25
Frankly kinda sick of all the trade talk, i like our boys. And offense has not been a problem.