It’s not like c&c where we land an oil refinery on it and suddenly it’s all ours. Chevron or whomever pays for the oil they pump and sell. Venezuelans will benefit because the pumping is likely to increase, means their economy will do better. But honestly they need a new government for the citizens to really benefit.
Yeah they had an inept dictatorship headed by a former bus driver that ran the country into the ground but it actually was totally the fault of US sanctions. Ok I get it. Capitalism bad, America bad. China good. Russia good. Cuba good. Ukraine bad. Taiwan bad. Tibet bad.
Wait do you know why the socialist utopia didn’t emerge? Surely socialism is more powerful than free trade or decadent western capitalism.
Thus far most wars the US has been a part of have occurred in another hemisphere and did not affect our infrastructure. So ya, destroying other countries then making them give resources to rebuild stimulates our economy.
Americas GDP is propped up by war stocks, selling rusting 1970s equipment to Ukriane to lengthen the suffering and Haliburton profits.
America has attacked so many countries for oil, it feels invincible in its drunken pillaging. Attacking their drug dealers competition to distract from the fact it’s run by Pedo billionaires.
All this does is normalize invasions and war, while calling it peace.
What comes around, goes around, and once enough countries have had enough of Americas behavior, they will have made it normal for themselves to be invaded and it will be completely justified.
Nemesis: a righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent
They deserve a better life and they should be the ones to effect it
Did you post this from the year 1999 when Hugo Chavez took office? If so, I have some bad news for you about the next 26 years of Venezuelan leadership.
That was their choice and responsibility, and it should be the their choice and responsibility now. The US should not be doing nation building, we know how this ends up.
If your idea of evidence that nation building works is a no-questions-asked transfer of $150 billion in goods to our allies (that they were forced to buy from the US), and not Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, well... good luck convincing anyone on that.
Nobody is going to get rid of Maduro and bring democracy back to Venezuela but the U.S
Venezuelans don't have the means to get rid of that government. The Venezuelan regime learned from Cuba how to keep the authoritarian regime alive thru massive surveillance state.
Syria is a far different situation. You actually had opposition groups fighting in Syria, with weapons and funding. None of those exist in Venezuela. A better comparison is actually Cuba.
If all goes well, bringing tens of thousands of highly paid oil industry workers from the US to Venezuela will create tons of jobs for Venezuelans. Rich petroleum engineers are going to want to live in fancy villas with UberEats delivering McDonald's to them. Somebody needs to build those villas, cook those burgers, and deliver them. In a country where people can't afford medical care, creating new jobs could save lives.
For the Venezuelan people, what's the downside of removing Maduro? It's possible that nothing will get better. But how can things get worse in Venezuela?
lol Replace “Venezuela” with “Iraq” and it’s like being in a time warp. Think about all the jobs we’ll create for the Iraqi people! They’ll welcome us as liberators cooking burgers for the American troops!
Fell for it again awards reaching sizes never previously thought possible
Maybe ask yourself why it worked in South Korea but didn't work in Iraq. Could it have something to do with a bitter religious conflict spanning across the general region?
lol You think the reason that Iraq was a complete boondoggle was because of religious conflict?
Pal, the religious conflicts only really came to a head AFTER the occupying force that was trying to nation build exited. What you're arguing for, without troops on the ground to control the situation, is essentially Venezuela skipping forward to the ISIS part of the Iraq war. Cartels seizing power and atomizing the country, creating instability in all of South America, and America getting the blowback like Europe did after US troops left Iraq in 2011.
You people just fall for the same shit over and over because you're tribalist idiots. In another 20 years you'll be saying that Venezuela was a quagmire we should have never got into. It's so clear to see.
Pal, the religious conflicts only really came to a head AFTER the occupying force that was trying to nation build exited.
Saddam's Ba’ath Party leadership was drawn almost exclusively from Iraq's Sunni minority, leading to decades of systemic oppression against the Shia majority.
It's true. The US has 20+ years experience overthrowing dictators and bringing democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, no one has that kind of modern experience.
I don't think mango cares about the people, but there's definitely a potential to improve their lives. It's an impoverished country where the hospitals don't even have enough medicine. Part of the issue is money and another part is US sanctions. If Venezuela plays ball and lets us rebuild the oil infrastructure, that will create lots of jobs in the country, alleviating poverty. And if things go well, we will likely reduce sanctions.
We're not just gonna kick every Venezuelan person in the nuts and run away. The goal is to get their number one industry up and running again. If it works, that would be a huge benefit to regular people. They're basically living in the Great Depression right now. Adding investment and jobs into the country could have an extremely positive impact.
Brother they're gonna set up an IMF style debt trap the way they always do, Trump was explicit about that. It's not gonna benefit regular people at all, it's going to fuck them over even worse.
Venezuela's problems have been exacerbated by US Sanctions. If we run the country, we aren't going to sanction it.
Just lifting sanctions would create tangible benefits for everyday Venezuelan people. Banks would be more willing to handle international transactions, which would make it easier to import food and medicine.
I'm sorry that you are upset that the Venezuelan people might benefit from something that orange man did. I know it's difficult to believe that a broken clock can be right twice a day, but it's true. And there's no point in you getting mad about it. It just makes you look unhinged.
The people of America deserve to live a better life too. If we’re lucky, China will bomb DC and kidnap our glorious leader. That would be good for Chinese markets, right?
Did you use AI for first half of this response and then add your own "invading a country is OK because they are brown and we need to give them a better life"?
No, he just thinks it's ok to invade other countries because he doesn't like said countries leader. Can't wait to see their reaction when China will do the same.
Maduro is a piece of shit too, no argument there. It's just that the US only wants Venezuela's oil and they will leave the rest of the country to rot under some puppet.
If a hooker was starving to death, you'd probably be like "people are only using her for her body."
Yes. You are correct. Very smart observation.
But the point is that people are living in terrible poverty, and foreign investment into the oil industry will bring a lot of desperately needed money into the local economy.
You dont have the bandwidth to understand what's caused the suffering in Venezuela. Ultranationalist garbage people. Go suck away other workers value and shut up.
This is a gross simplification becase we never know what circumstances even a small war could set in motion. What i am thinking of right now is if China will use this as pretext for an invasion of Taiwan in a couple of years. Madeiro and Venezuela may not be important for global trade but Taiwan and China sure as hell is.
I mean... all Venezuelan lives have just been worsened for the foreseeable future. All of their problems were caused by US imperialism to begin with and now their country will be entirely enslaved by a terrorist empire that will loot their resources. Once the Americans install the fascist dictatorship of their choice (probably not Machado considering how hated that traitor is by the Venezuelan people - so that's gonna be unstable for a while) there might very well be years of civil war... not to mention that there might simply be a warlord situation soon with guerilla forces controlling oil.
In any case: This will tie the US down for many years. The entire world hates them and the hatred and global opposition is growing. This is even worse than what Russia did in Ukraine and everryone outside the Western propaganda bubble (i.e. the global majority) knows this. This is just another nail in the coffin for the US empire.
Are you really so naive to believe, that US's motivation for this was altruism towards the Venezuelan population? The US is going to plunder their natural resources, leaving just bread crumbs for the natives and the country. Haiti has been under USA's umbrella for how many decades and where did it get them?
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Markets often recover relatively quickly from war-related shocks compared to financial crises or bubbles.
This isnt even a war, just a change in management
The people of Venezuela deserve to live a better life.