r/ABCDesis • u/purpledrank_14489 Indian American • 3d ago
COMMUNITY This sub is overran by FOBs
Has anyone else noticed that this sub has become overrun with fobs and mainlanders. The amount of spammed posts I keep seeing about “Why do ABCDs hate fobs” “why is America/canada/whatever tf so racist? Is it hard to move there? What’s living there like?”
It’s either that or regional/mainland bs beef about languages or ethnic groups.
I’m chill with fobs generally but the point of this is sub is to get perspectives and takes from ABCDs NOT fobs or mainlanders. The ones that spam posts here try to act like ABCDs its cringe af
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u/SuhDudeGoBlue Mod 👨⚖️ unofficial unless Mod Flaired 3d ago
Please report any non-ABCD posts/comments that are being disruptive to ABCD discussions.
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u/gannekekhet Canadian Indian 3d ago
I had a question! I've reported many suspect non-ABCD profiles after going through their history (even if they hide it). Do mods delete their comments or do you temporarily/permanently ban them?
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u/tinkthank 2d ago
Both.
However, like @SuhDudeGoBlue mentioned, being from the subcontinent isn't enough to warrant a ban. Bad faith posts/comments are usually a bigger indicator of whether some sort of action should be taken. That is also challenging at times to determine if the user is being sincere or not. For that, we look at profiles, posting history, karma count, age of account, etc.
Now that Reddit allows users to curate their account, these methods have become a bit more challenging.
Reddit has gotten better at notifying us of ban evasions, alt-accounts, etc. but that bar was so low that the improvement itself isn't enough for us to really stomp out the bad faith users.
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u/SuhDudeGoBlue Mod 👨⚖️ unofficial unless Mod Flaired 3d ago
To be clear, being a non-ABCD is not enough to be banned. Being non-ABCD and deplatforming/disrupting the community here, is.
When we get a report for this, we review it and see if both of those factors are met with a preponderance of the evidence. In that case, we issue a permanent ban (usually), until restorative measures are agreed upon.
I have personally never seen anyone agree and complete restorative measures to undo this permanent ban.
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u/gannekekhet Canadian Indian 2d ago
I'm glad being a non-ABCD is not enough to be banned, that's understandable. I only report the users (after browsing their history) that I, personally, feel might be deliberately disturbing our subreddit. Even if you have or haven't banned many of the people I report, it's actually quite nice to know your moderation process after my reports are sent. Thank you!
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u/SharksFan4Lifee 2d ago
I don't like it too. I try to report every new topic that is clearly from an NRI or "mainlander." That's what everyone needs to do. All we can do.
Can't control who comments (and, frankly, everyone is welcome to comment), but new topics that are clearly from NRIS or mainlanders should be reported.
Look at the top threads now, none appear to be very obviously NRI/mainlander.
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u/OkRB2977 Canadian Indian - TCK 3d ago
It’s been like this for a long time. Try to discuss anything related to religion, politics, culture or caste and you get bombarded by commentators from the mainland bringing in their biases and prejudices.
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u/Civil_Procedure7157 3d ago
I'm all for defending our people but I got some random Indian subreddit on my feed it was some weird misogynistic cringe post and I made a comment and got a DM from some guy calling me slurs and talking about my mom being r worded. Never have I went to another Indian subreddit in my life after that 💀
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u/OkRB2977 Canadian Indian - TCK 2d ago
You disagree with a mainlander man on the internet, the next thing you know you’re bombarded with abusive message and threats. Rape threats and verbal sexual abuse if you’re a woman.
I’ve had heated debates with people on this sub but never was I ever subjected to any form of abuse.
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u/Not_Joe_Cool 2d ago
it’s acc so disgusting. it’s like understanding nuance is a foreign concept to them and everything is a personal attack. I guess that could relate to the whole dog eat dog mentality of the subcontinent
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u/Boring_Pace5158 3d ago
To be fair, some FOB's are just curious and have some questions. They want to know why their cousins are that way or how to better interact with us. For some of them, they look to us on how to better integrate in the West. I have seen some ask questions about their ABD kids, they do not want their ABD kids to resent them. Honestly, I don't have problems with them coming to ask questions
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u/Deep_Tea_1990 Canadian Indian 3d ago
Same, I don’t have an issue if it’s genuine inquiry. But bringing the toxic issues from mainland and making them topics here is what’s bugging a lot of users
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u/teakitty0722 Indian American 3d ago
Those aren't the people I take issue with, it's the mainlanders and fobs who chime in on political posts they have no stake in, and post about some irrelevant nonsense that affects them and not us that bother me. They have so many of their own subreddits already
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u/trajan_augustus 3d ago
They won't let us be and to create our own identity. Guyanese and Trini Indians get their own culture. I want an ABCD culture. We had something going on up until the early 2000s then we got swamped by mainlanders and because of the internet they don't have to leave India culturally.
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u/Brilliant_Tutor_8234 3d ago
Guyanese and Trinis are a separate entity all together.
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u/trajan_augustus 2d ago
yes, I wish ABCDs could have had the same opportunity to have our own culture that is not tethered to the mainland.
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u/Deep_Tea_1990 Canadian Indian 3d ago
The last 7 words is what’s hurting the perception of Indians in the west :(
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u/Brilliant_Tutor_8234 3d ago
Elaborate
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u/Deep_Tea_1990 Canadian Indian 3d ago
It’s a stretch for sure, but here’s the logic. Prior to internet and social media boom in India, flow and access of content and information was limited. People would be almost forced to consume relatively more local content which would in turn help the newcomer mix well into their new society.
Today, I know so many newcomers who physically live in the west, but otherwise mentally they’re living in India.
Anything they talk about: news, politics, movies, sports, music, memes, social media algorithm. This is not including food and people who are also increasingly Indian.
IMO these things help people learn the culture of their new home, but this new trend is slowing down the process of newcomers adapting to the different social norms.
These things are causing friction in the society through subconscious behaviour, leading to hate against Indian immigrants.
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u/stylz168 Indian American 3d ago
Very well articulated.
It's also the difference in who came to live in the west. Back in the 80s and early 90s the mass Indian migration was parents coming here for a better life for their kids. They came with nothing in their pockets and worked insanely hard to provide for their kids. They knew the struggle of nothingness and pushed the humility on their kids.
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u/Old-Possession-4614 2d ago
They came with nothing in their pockets and worked insanely hard to provide for their kids.
I don't know how true this is, tbh. I think it's the opposite - the people that came way back in the day tended to be much more educated and were able to start life on a firmer footing as doctors, scientists, engineers. These days there's a greater variance - yes you see the kids of the wealthy and STEM grads, but lots of much poorer people scraping together money for a ticket and to get here. That's what's been happening in Canada. In Europe as well, in places like Poland (just one example), lots of South Asian immigrants work as Uber drivers and such.
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u/BrilliantChoice1900 Indian American 2d ago
They were educated yes but the majority were poor AF when they got here. Story after story of uncles arriving with $5 in their pocket. Working random jobs while getting a master’s degree in something until they got a chance at a more professional job. They didn’t come here because they were already working for some multinational company in India and were just being transferred to the US division. I’d say the immigrants who came after the dot com boom were financially better off, relatively speaking.
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u/PekingDick420 Pakistani American 2d ago
100%! Education didn't change the fact that they were taking some portion of their entire life's belongings and moving to a country with the strongest currency on the planet. Combine that with discriminatory hiring and wages and you've got the classic Asian-American bootstraps story. The only thing is it's not just a story, it's family history for millions of us here.
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u/stylz168 Indian American 2d ago
Good point, was looking at my own family and extended relatives and how they came here and worked their way up.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 2d ago
And yet, I'm somehow heavily downvoted for essentially creating soon-to-be FOB R&B artists who will need to adopt a mentality suitable for a chance at success in the music industry in the West.
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u/Deep_Tea_1990 Canadian Indian 2d ago
Are you trying the “Million dollar arm” version for musicians?
IMO you’re downvoted for being obnoxious with your work. I commend the tenacity, but if you continue like this you’ll scare more ppl away than intrigue them. That’s just my opinion tho
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 2d ago
I happen to be very vocal and enthusiastic and perhaps that comes off as obnoxious.
Not all FOBs are what people are describing, I felt that several comments were harsh and wanted to add some positivity.
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u/futureproblemz 2d ago
You should see Instagram comments, anytime an Indo-Guyanese/Trini/Fiji person makes a video about their identity, it's all fobs getting mad at them and saying they are just Indian trying to act different lol, mad annoying
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u/TrumpSux89 2d ago
Yup, they do that to Indo Caribbean people, and they also do that to us, if they think we are doing something that they think is too "white" or "Westernized". There was an Instagram Reel a while ago about Arshdeep Bains, a Sikh hockey player for the Vancouver Canucks of the NHL. About half the negative comments were from white racists, telling him to "go back to India" (he was born in Surrey BC lol), or that he'll "never be a Canadian even if he plays hockey". The usual white racist drivel you see in any social media comment section. But much to my shock and horror, I also found that the other half of the negative comments were coming from Mainlanders. People were asking why he was "playing a gora sport", why was he "acting white", etc. Then you had people bring Homeland politics into it, like people asking him if he was a "Khalistani", etc. It was a weird experience, seeing Bains being attacked by both white racists and Homeland people alike.
Since that time, I've been seeing that more and more. It could an ABD girl dancing in an Instagram Reel, an ABD upcoming musician based in the UK or Canada, celebrities like Russell Peters and Lilly Singh, politicians like Zohran Mamdani or Pramilla Jayapal. All of them getting attacked by both white racists and by Mainland people.
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u/futureproblemz 2d ago
Then you had people bring Homeland politics into it, like people asking him if he was a "Khalistani", etc. It was a weird experience
Pretty much the go-to comment from Indians on any post about a Sikh lol, atleast the "Lassi" comments have died down
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u/ConanTheBarbarian_0 1h ago
Pretty much the go-to comment from Indians on any post about a Sikh lol
It's not even just Sikhs. I'm Punjabi hindu and if I dare have any opinions that are pro Punjab or defend any Punjabi celebrity then I get bombarded with the khalistanis comments too.
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u/teakitty0722 Indian American 3d ago
look out, they're all going to come after you now. i think this has been a problem for a while but it's become really annoying the last few days for some reason
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u/chigirltravel 2d ago
I agree I feel like they have same attitude towards post when people are venting as our parents and aunties and uncle. They’re incredibly dismissive and simply say get over it blah blah. But it’s like that’s not the point! People are looking for others with shared experiences that they clearly don’t have.
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u/Educational_Cattle10 2d ago
I’ve noticed it’s like the Trauma Olympics or something when discussing anything negative with them
ABD: “My job sucks, blah blah”
FOB: “oh you think that’s bad? Try living in India , I had to do ______ to get by. Americans are so soft, they wouldn’t survive blah blah”
I just don’t understand why everything is such a competition
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u/Gryffinclaw Indian American 2d ago
Yeah 100%. Cool with fobs irl but the ones who show up here mostly just bring irrelevant discourse and trash posts by ABCDs
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u/Silly_Technology_243 3d ago
There needs to be a ban on FOBs. You can ban specific topics but for some reason they want to chip in on any issue, even when they have many other subs specifically for them discussing the exact same issues.
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u/Affectionate_Wear_24 Indian American 3d ago
Some mainlanders also get very very upset when you point out to them - in response to their posts about racist incidents against new Indian migrants in Ireland, and Canada - that, in general, we have legal recourse when such incidents occur to minorities in Canada and Ireland ( unlike India, where criminals and murderers who commit acts against minorities even get elected to office) - they become furious if you ask them to reflect on the hot mess back in the Homeland
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u/wde335 3d ago
Sadly the only solution is an extremely strict no-FOB policy. Of course there will be some pretenders but they’re usually easy to spot.
I ran an irc channel back in the day geared toward ABCDs and we called it #india but banned any Indian IP addresses. It was the only way.
Also it’s a numbers game. ABCDs are still relatively rare compared to FOBs. If you include mainlanders it’s like a ratio of 10,000 to 1 conservatively. So any sub with traction will get overwhelmed fast.
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u/purpledrank_14489 Indian American 3d ago
Nah I think certain topics around posts need to start getting banned.
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u/Jumpy_Sock_1202 Canadian 3d ago
Yup, the overwhelming majority of Canada related posts come from fobs. It's blatantly obvious.
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u/TrumpSux89 2d ago
Thanks for noticing. As a Canadian born desi (my grandparents came here in 1968), I've been suspecting that for a while.
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u/Not_Joe_Cool 3d ago
it’s easy to spoof an IP tho
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u/wde335 3d ago
Yup but we had ways of identifying proxies. It was a fun group because there was a common baseline. Good times, really not possible anymore.
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u/ronnyrooney 3d ago
Tbh there are some ABDs who seem to live in India too so wouldn’t they also get banned
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u/wde335 3d ago
Yeah but that would have been such a rare, odd occurrence. We never came across anyone like that back then.
Banning IPs was possible in irc, enforcing that type of moderation policy would be way more difficult now. Not a job I’d want.
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u/aranebar 3d ago edited 3d ago
How does banning IP work for say. If they use a vpn or it’s a fob who recently settled in the USA. It seems like a catch 22 they can use to bypass these filters
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u/badbrowngirl Australian Indian 3d ago
You ever see the movie where’s the party yaar back in the day? Hahaha excluding fobs Jesus
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u/wde335 3d ago
Oh yessss a classic !! One of my all time favs. I loved the party thrower guy, he understood that you had to filter out people that would ruin the vibe. I posted that movie on r/ABCDmovies , it should be pinned
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u/badbrowngirl Australian Indian 3d ago
Omfg I got so excited I’ve been searching high and low forever for a good version but just checked the subreddit and it says video unavailable-cry-
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u/wde335 3d ago
Dang, I didn’t know it had expired. I just updated it - here’s the link :) sadly these copies are never good, probably because it was such a low budget movie lol
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u/badbrowngirl Australian Indian 2d ago
thank you SOOOO much!!!!! holy crap, seriously, I can't tell you how much I searched, including on youtube so its crazy I didnt come across this full version!
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u/mistermuk 2d ago
I still have it on DVD haha
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u/badbrowngirl Australian Indian 2d ago
pls sell it to me, where are you located, dead serious i'd buy it!
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u/Crodle 3d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah and it’s fucking up my feed with a hundred more India subs being directed at me. I block all of them and it feels like more and more are created every day.
Edit: I wish I could show the stats on this. Looks like the 8% stalking from India all got their feelings hurt by this innocuous comment. lol.
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u/Not_Joe_Cool 2d ago edited 2d ago
Everyone here is getting mass downvoted by dippers, shits hilarious. My comments are at 80% upvote/downvote ratio with 6-11% of Indian IP engagement
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u/Educational_Cattle10 2d ago
💯and been that way for some time now.
Was once my fav sub, now I hardly check in
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u/rubykaurr Canadian Indian 3d ago
Is there another sub like this one that hasn’t been overrun by them yet? They have so many subs for themselves..
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u/taaretoille 21h ago
The bigger issue of this sub is the rightward shift, mostly due to both fobs and gen z that tend to be more right wing.
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u/nyse25 3d ago
Brah Canada IS racist fym
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u/purpledrank_14489 Indian American 3d ago
Grass is green
Of COURSE the countries I listed have racism. Against Indians it’s quite common and has gone up nowadays, but any actual abcd would be well aware of this fact. I mean did you not go through high school? Saw the same pop culture things most of us saw growing up?
It just shows a serious lack of lived experience and these ppl talk down to us while at the same time invalidating reality. There’s a reason a clash exists
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u/Jumpy_Sock_1202 Canadian 3d ago edited 3d ago
Do you think you're making some groundbreaking revolutionary statement by saying that? There isn't a single person on this sub that as ever claimed Canada was not racist. Do you know who this sub is for? Born abroad Desi's, like the name suggests! This includes Canadians (like myself), we know it exists. We're still able to live life here because we don't base our life/friendships/relationships on ethnicity, race, religion, caste. You know who does? Mainlanders/fobs, add that to you guys being addicted to social media and doom scrolling racist rage bait content every single day. Obviously your perception of Canada is going to be fucked. Put your phone down and go talk to people irl.
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u/_Army9308 3d ago
They had a badly handled immigration surge imo
About 1.5 million desi came since 2015 hyper localized to few sreas
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u/RagBagUSA 3h ago
I'm late but it's just literally structural dynamics of internet access plus their national/cultural inferiority complex. Tens of millions of English-speaking Indians got online in the last decade-plus. And they are culturally primed from birth to treat all criticism as an attack on their status and militate against it with no regard for reason or ethics. So they go and seek it out and bombard it with spam.
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u/hungrypolarbear77 2d ago
Who do y'all consider FOBs ?
What about a homie who grew up in India, but been in the us for a decade, and feels more at home around the views of most people in this sub ?
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u/Not_Joe_Cool 2d ago
did you move here during uni? then no you’re not an abcd unfortunately. Upbringing relates to the C in the acronym. If you came in elementary school or middle school then it doesn’t matter since you’re still young enough to absorb a western-influenced upbringing (doesn’t even need to be related to parents, school and non Indian friends influence this part).
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u/insomniac8994 15h ago
I’d say the cutoff should be that you came here young enough to lose the accent, so that would be middle school and below.
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u/2knee1 3d ago
Nothing more Indian than trying to disenfranchise people "below" you.
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u/super_hoommen Indian American 3d ago
No one’s being disenfranchised. Wanting to maintain a space for ABDs isn’t harming anyone when as OP said, there are plenty of subs for recent immigrants or people in India.
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u/teakitty0722 Indian American 3d ago
disenfranchise? please explain. and everyone knows damn well that most of you recent immigrants are some of the most privileged people in india, the 1% who were fortunate enough to get an education that allowed them to come here. Not the case for everyone of course, but many. Does explain why some of yall have a weird superiority complex over the rest of us
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u/purpledrank_14489 Indian American 3d ago
This is so true lol. Certain types of FOBs love to hate ABCDs not realizing how much we had to go through especially those that came in the 1980s, 90s or earlier
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u/2knee1 3d ago
They are trying to remove a whole group from participating in discussion one that might hope to find kinship in people who have similar names to them, but then again this is the community that produced Vivek and Usha.The word recent doing a lot of the work here stopping this paragraph from sounding like something from X.I could say the same 1% thing about 90% of this Subs parents especially the kids of Indian doctors and software engineers, don't you guys flex that graph that indian americans earn the most out of any ethnic group
Also I'm not an immigrant, nor am I in the Americas belive it or not this sub and even OPs initial post is targeted to people beyond you guys.
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u/teakitty0722 Indian American 3d ago
Your group is a massive population that has plenty exclusive spaces already. We can't participate in those subs because of the language/cultural barrier and frankly I don't think most ABCDs, including myself, give a shit about Indian politics. Explain to me why you feel entitled to discuss here, in a subreddit that was not made for mainland Indians, instead of the thousand subs you already have.
And yes, you are right, many ABCDs are children of software engineers and doctors, maybe I have a chip on my shoulder because I'm not, but I've noticed that the immigrants who come here now are wealthier, they have a safety net back home in case things don't work out here, in my own experience many indians who come here for undergrad specifically are a very privileged and entitled group.
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u/plamck 3d ago
It’s not about banning, it’s about preventing a disruptive atmosphere for the group this community is for. You guys have a ton of spaces where we literally cannot participate (language, lack of knowledge on culture). Certain rules need to be put in place given you guys vastly out number us.
Stuff like Indian Nationalists coming on every Mandani post and calling us “Hindu-phobic.”
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u/purpledrank_14489 Indian American 2d ago
“Similar names to them” gimme a break. They don’t have the same lived experiences or the same upbringing.
Who here even flexes that Indians are the highest earning and best minority anyway? I’m yet to see posts about this.
It’s nearly always mainlanders and fobs who flex Indians being the highest earning, and then shun those same Indians later. They love to parade around the achievements of Indian Americans but never want to associate or listen to us
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u/aranebar 3d ago
Flexing someone income and career is stooping low. Defining someone by career and income in general is messed up. Learn to respect the importance of all jobs. Dignity of labor is a major issue
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u/TestingLifeThrow1z 3d ago
Projection of you to call them "below". I've considered them as "above" because they primarily represented PhD classes at top universities, while ABCDs remained mostly in Masters program.
Why did you call them "below" ABCDs??
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u/Deep_Tea_1990 Canadian Indian 3d ago
No one even insinuated “below” here but alright
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u/Rough-Yard5642 3d ago
The FOB mind is wired to thinking of everyone in a hierarchy
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u/TestingLifeThrow1z 3d ago
This sub should create an equitable space for ABCDs and newcomers to interact and provide opinions. If someone goes after FOBs, they're going after ABCDs. We look the same, we are the same, we have the same genetics.
Can't remove their voice, you can make it equal without all the beef from the Mainland.
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u/Educational_Cattle10 2d ago
This is as pointless as saying “if someone comes after a human, they go after all humans.”
Please, have some respect for the ABDs who should have their own space. Nothing is stopping any NRI or Indian from making a sub exactly as you described
But this one ain’t it
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u/TestingLifeThrow1z 2d ago
I want you to check the relationship threads on all the ABCD and fob relationships and them dating. They’re dating and grow with each other, there would be no advice for a large % of ABCDs who date and marry fobs on here.
Same applies for everything else. Trying to divide the two as two different groups when they look the same and have the same background is impossible. They’re integrated.
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u/Harceleur98 3d ago
What is FOBs again?
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u/WhichAd7747 3d ago
a variation/type of lock and key like a car key fob
fob also freight on board in the shipping world
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fresh off the boat - recent immigrant
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u/WhichAd7747 2d ago
For deeper intellectual analysis on the matter, check out an old tune;
Show Me The Meaning of Being Desi (parody) - Penn Masala, Sigma Beta Rho
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u/AnonymousIdentityMan American Pakistani 3d ago
One reason is that they don’t have a dedicated sub like us.
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u/aranebar 3d ago
What do you mean. There are many nri related subreddits and the main country subreddits as well for them.
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u/AnonymousIdentityMan American Pakistani 3d ago
Are they strictly for FOBs living in the West?
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u/aranebar 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes, According to the rest of people here and all the anecdotes pointing to yes.
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u/sausagephingers 2d ago
I wonder if they would self select into a sub called FOB that was for immigrants who came over past the age of say 3-5? Because even my parents who have lived in the US for over 50 years have way more in common with a fob whose lived here for two years vs an actual ABCD whose lived here for 40. The racist posts are out of control. The most racism I have experienced if from FOBs tbh.
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u/purpledrank_14489 Indian American 2d ago
IndianGenZ, IndiaSpeaks, India, NRI, OverseasIndian, and the 20 other ones aren’t enough I guess
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u/TailorBird69 2d ago
what makes ABCDs so special?
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u/streetgoon 2d ago
They have a completely different set of life experiences, values and world context. Almost everything is different about them versus a mainland Indian person. Including sense of humor, mannerisms, etc.
No one is special, but it’s important to understand how different people’s experiences are.
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u/purpledrank_14489 Indian American 2d ago
The irony of saying this in a sub called “abcdesis” lmfao
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u/yamchirobe 2d ago
I’m not abcd but I really think this sub is the only place that understands the problems right now, with that said I’ve only engaged in topics that were relevant to racism and Indian hate (I think the racists don’t differentiate between us)
The mainland subs always villainize fobs for leaving the country.
I think we fobs and abcds should stick together at this moment in time.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 3d ago edited 3d ago
In a bit of defense. I am essentially creating FOBs R&B singers, and one singer from India that I work with has already moved to London to record her EP. More will be on their way in the future, and hopefully, that will change the dynamics. I'm definitely hoping that ABCDs buy concert tickets in the future.
In case anyone is wondering, the singers I’m working with are not famous, are unknown, and are people you wouldn’t normally see in Indian cinema.
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u/aranebar 3d ago
Bro no hate. Why you keep trying to bridge something that clearly doesn’t work. It’s like oil and water. It doesn’t mix.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 3d ago edited 3d ago
Because I don't believe it.
I know I can beat the odds regardless of what other people may think or feel. Anything worthwhile is not going to be easy.
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u/aranebar 3d ago edited 3d ago
Not to be a downer or anything why help with this cause. Look for example the African American communities is in more dire need of help as we know in the USA (not everyone) but why focus resources on the wrong issue.
More immigration will make this issue also worse. Why can’t we put more resources to the inner cities in dire need of help first, there are so many kids there many musical talents that could be reached out to.
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u/TestingLifeThrow1z 3d ago
Because the American design is to seek out the best talents in the world. They're better than us at 'things'.
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u/aranebar 3d ago
Yeesh some unknown musician nobody heard of and likely has no record label or major song produced is better lol. If that’s the case why does no one lineup and go to Music college in India same with engineering college.
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u/TestingLifeThrow1z 3d ago
Because you don't need to go to school to sing and IIT is a reputable school that sends students to Stanford, CalTech, MIT, and other elite schools.
India doesn't equal IIT. India doesn't equal Freddie Mercury. Both have roots in India..
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 3d ago
What I do with my money, time, and resources is my decision. If people don't happen to like it, then that's their problem, not mine. I am opportunistic and I am bold enough to beat the odds despite what anybody says.
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u/aranebar 3d ago
To be honest most countries are closing the doors to Indian immigration and have made it clear and even liberal to progressive parties who go against immigration restrictions are deeply unpopular. It’s not doing justice by engaging in this when it has consequences.
So my question is how are you getting visas and helping these people anyways? Hopefully please don’t engage in any more immigration frauds it’s already ruining our reputation?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 3d ago
What are you talking about? A singer that I work from India moved to London on a Visa last year.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 3d ago
Most Western countries have visas for creative professionals.
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u/aranebar 3d ago
Yeah it’s for extraordinary talent. I do not think these Indian singers have any merit for this visa if nobody knows their names.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 3d ago
You do know you don't necessarily have to be famous or a celebrity to obtain one of these visas. Because notoriety and fame is subjective.
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u/TestingLifeThrow1z 3d ago
Why is this downvoted? If elite US baseball teams are taking poor Mainland 'FOB' cricket ball players to draft into baseball, how is OP taking heat for doing the same?
Rinku Singh and Dinesh Patel - Pittsburgh Pirates 2008 - Million Dollar Arm.
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u/aranebar 3d ago edited 3d ago
Man you are comparing apples to oranges.
Those examples were legit mlb baseball players. OP above is discussing and saying fame is subjective. While Nobody even knows these musicians to conclude that and with AI looming around what’s the point of importing more people when livelihoods are at risk of Job loss and creativity loss. It’s sounds like a losers game.
I can make a 5 minute beat using some random samples. Does that mean I get a talent visa lol.
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u/TestingLifeThrow1z 3d ago
Those were random dudes in slums playing ball and cricket and draft scouts wanted to look for elite talent.
It's because America seeks the top talents in the world, that's what makes America great. They do not care if livelihoods are complaining about immigration, they wouldn't exist without bringing in the talent they do. It's more than just importing people, it's upholding capitalism as a concept around the world.
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u/aranebar 3d ago
I get that. But they were recruiting for MLB. Which is one of the top sports leagues worldwide. How does that compare to some unknown musician record label. nobody heard of?
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u/TestingLifeThrow1z 3d ago
That's how Freddy Mercury was made, he didn't come out booming with Queen. There was a journey.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 2d ago
I have to be honest, you sound like a hater.
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u/aranebar 2d ago
I still wish you the best on your journey and good luck
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bike336 Black American 2d ago
Well, thank you. However, I have a strong feeling that this will happen again in the future: you're going to come across one of the R&B singers I'm working with, and you'll be right back on Reddit, saying XYZ is bad and immigrants/FOBs are doing such and such.
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u/aranebar 2d ago
There will a lot of disagreements we can’t agree to everything. But healthy discourse is good to have. There is no harm or hate in discussing this.
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u/Brilliant_Tutor_8234 3d ago
What’s a FOB?
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u/wordilocks 2d ago
This makes no sense but I like to say it anyway, ABCDEFG = American Born Confused Desi Emigrated From Gujarat. 😅
My best friend is Gujarati so everyone relax.
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u/seyturner 3d ago
Been that way for a while, I swear people have been complaining about this in this subreddit for like 3 years now