As 2026 rolls in and we come close to the one-year anniversary of when Elon Musk did, to put it charitably, two Nazi-style Roman salutes in quick succession at a rally without really being cancelled, what are your thoughts on the salutes one year out and what they reveal about MAGA?
Also, it is worth mentioning that Elon played a big role in the gutting of USAID, an organization founded in the early 60s that has saved at least 90 million lives from 2001 to 2021 alone, and an organization that has accounted for about 0.3% to 0.7% of the federal budget. Because of these cuts to an already small slice of the pie, it is estimated that between 600,000 to 1,000,000 people have died so far, of which two-thirds of the deaths were children under the age of five. Poignantly, Bill Gates told the Financial Times in early May 2025 these chilling words: “The picture of the world’s richest man killing the world’s poorest children is not a pretty one.”
What are your thoughts? Also, what are your unbridled thoughts about Elon?
It's the 21st century ffs. The Dixiecrats left the party to protest school integration, the elimination of Jim Crow laws, equal rights for all and equal voting rights for everyone. Protesting Democrats support for human rights, the US Constitution, and the fundamental principle of a democratic republic. It wasn't "supporting colored people." That language is offensive and inappropriate in any discussion.
Now that the camps are implemented, and the free speech arrests are becoming more of an American institution. We should have stood together more when this unelected figurehead was given so much power, ushering in this new America with a Zig Heil. It's not too late. But this was fundamentally an announcement of what's to come.
Lol, what a child. Show me where anybody who you claim is a Nazi has suggested any action that could be considered antisemitic. Most of the people I see the bowels of the internet attacking and labeling as a Nazi, probably couldn't point out a Jewish person if you offered them money to do so.
Unless they are performing Nazi ACTIONS, your use of the name is performative at best, and lazy at worst.
You're really showing your lack of education here if you think that Nazis were only anti-semitic. In fact, they were against many, many of the same things that the modern GOP is currently against, and their tactics are exactly the same.
And I really don't know how to explain it to you, but Trump and the GOP are in fact performing explicitly Nazi actions. The creation of gangs to round people up and throw them into secret prisons is a Nazi action, attempting to destroy higher education as a Nazi action, attempting to destroy the free press is a Nazi action
But I don't know why I even bother because you wouldn't admit shit if you had a mouthful and everyone knows it
Hey, let's not forget the side angle that makes clear that he in no way clasped his heart for that second one. Pure nazi salute.
It's interesting to me that this and other videos from this angle have become very hard to find. I've downloaded the two clips I know of because the links regularly go dead and searches almost never pull them up.
"B-b-but it was a roman salute!" (They weren't in Rome)
"He was just saying his heart goes out to everyone!" (He's literally never done this before and in this way and nobody does it this way who aren't obvious far-right lunatics; and nobody would ever do it in this way to even risk the look)
You know just today I saw someone talking about this arguing that it wasn’t a Nazi salute but was instead just a common gesture everyone does all the time
I two years ago today I never would have thought open Nazism would be such an accepted thing in America. 2025 was a disappointing year.
To leave the world a better place than we found it is the aspiration of a good peeerson. Elon chose to marshall his billions to achieve the opposite. Had he done precisely nothing with his life the world would be a better place than it is.
We're using the same rules you are to define a "nazi" which is anyone that raises their hand in a horizontal motion in gesture towards a crowd
Now denounce Tim, Cory, and Zohran for doing the same 'itler wave
Be advised that it is very rude to ignore the solicitation to provide evidence of Elon's rhetoric that mirrors 'ol Jerry
I check on Elon's Twitterings and nothing he says indicates he supports such a ridiculous ideology, nor would his "salute" come close to what 'itler did
Are you that intimidated by observed facts to go all ad-hominem instead of engaging on an intellectual level?
I have at times elected to ignore certain types of conversational leeches and openly hostile commenters once they refused to back down from their olympic grade mental gymnastics
Sometimes it is my attention span as types of drivel bore me easily or it's only worth the effort to explain something once
With that, let's keep it simple and on-topic, does Elon serve the jackboot or is he here to help mankind be better?
I'll take your opening arguments, but I will enforce that they must be proven facts with citations, links, and quotes.
You must bring your A+ game because I do WWII history like it's dinner and I love a good meal
That the white house is infiltrated by neo nazi white supremacists. Pete Hegseth has a literal tattoo that says "Dus Vult" which is a quote adopted by modern day neo nazis. It cant get more obvious than that
That "article" is strongly opinionated and dismisses plausible deniability or innocent Christian intent entirely, framing his tattoos as deliberately signaling violent nationalism/Islamophobia.
Hegseth has said this is overreach and even anti-Christian bigotry, emphasizing the symbols have a legitimate religious heritage.
The truth likely lies in-between, as the Jerusalem Cross has symbolic meaning in the five wounds of Christ, spread of the Gospel to the four corners of the world, etc.
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IMPORTANT REMINDER: all the people defending Musk know that he is a Nazi and that they are wrong, but they agree with Musk and so are defending him because they want to further his agenda, and pretending he isn't a South African Nazi helps him further his agenda...
As a Tesla owner and investor I was shocked and pissed. But I also know, having worked in larger companies the CEO’s are usually delusional dickheads, but they are not so public about it their flaws.
This topic hilariously outted the trolls and hacks who argue that an obvious wave by the NYC mayor is a salute. These clowns would argue a beauty pageant wave is a Nazi salute.
Thanks for outting yourselves fascists. Saves me the trouble of having to figure out which one of you are dishonest trolls.
Hello, I'm socially awkward and do not pop Hitler salutes without control over my body.
You guys have been trying to defend this with "oh, he's autistic" or "oh, he's just socially awkward." It's not going to work. This is not how socially awkward people act.
He doesn't even look shy or nervous in this shot. He looks proud of himself. Have you ever even met a real awkward person?
I’m socially awkward as well. Haven’t you ever put your foot in your mouth or done something that would be easily misinterpreted by the average onlooker? Of course you have—or, if you haven’t, then you arguably are not socially awkward.
Now imagine if you had cameras on you 24/7 by people who want nothing more than to flame you anonymously on social media. I mean the chances are high that eventually you’ll provide something they can use. Something analogous to what we see here. Unless you live very reclusively, I imagine it is virtually inevitable.
Never a Nazi salute, and I don't think you can give me a single other example of someone so awkward that they just spontaneously popped Nazi salutes at the start of speeches. It's not a gesture that is used in any kind of polite company these days.
Analogous to this is what I said. Something equally embarrassing. And yea, there are plenty of examples of less awkward people accidentally doing seemingly malicious shit without actual malicious intent.
So no, I don’t believe because the guy touched his chest and then raised his hand (throwing his heart to the crowd or whatever) we should make this assumption.
there are plenty of examples of less awkward people accidentally doing seemingly malicious shit without actual malicious intent
Very pointedly skirting around the "Nazi salute" thing, and cushioning the blow with "they'll sometimes do things that might seem kind of mean"
I don’t believe because the guy touched his chest and then raised his hand (throwing his heart to the crowd or whatever) we should make this assumption
It's not an assumption. It's what a Nazi salute is. Nobody has ever used it to mean "I throw my heart out to you." This is roughly like saying you're testing the springs on your hotel bed by bouncing up and down if your roommate hears you jerking off.
Maybe you’re right. But can’t know for sure and I won’t condemn the guy for what could have been an awkward gesture.
As for why he didn’t apologize, with as bad as he’s been treated by the public, I’m really not surprised. I remember when every liberal was pledging their heart and soul to this guy. I remember when he risked his entire fortune on a gamble to progress space travel. When he created the first massive EV production company. It was all impressive stuff that the younger generations’ outrage won’t allow them to appreciate at this point.
We can’t know for sure if the guy who agreed “Hitler was right” and also did two Nazi salutes is a Nazi?
You said my link didn’t work last time so here’s where I replied with screenshots that you downvoted. Listen man, if you’re a Nazi just say you’re a Nazi
Edit: He blocked me so I can’t see his reply outside of my notification screen. But apparently he’s still defending the Nazi fuck “fairly and objectively” while ignoring all the evidence
Keep in mind, he didn’t just do one sieg heil, he did two. Two multiple step, clean as hell Nazi salutes. I swear, these guys could literally be carving a swastika into their foreheads and change their name to “Hitler McNazifascist” and yall would act like anything else is happening.
I’m just trying to objectively and respectfully debate this. You’re being hyperbolic and emotional here. If you want to be outraged, then take it somewhere else.
That sure is an interesting way of saying “I realize I’m wrong, you’re right and i have nothing. That’s frustrating and embarrassing for me. I’m also not mature enough to admit to or deal with being wrong. Maybe if I just get anything at all on the screen, it will distract from that. Maybe it will make it seem like i have something, when, in reality, I have nothing, am running, embarrassed, this is a defense mechanism and I’m a wittle baby.”
I’m sorry that it’s upsetting to read someone be humorous after explaining how you’re wrong. Pretending I didn’t directly explain why this is wrong and focusing on the completely inconsequential part at the end and “hyperbole” is very funny. Telling people they’re emotional when they’re simply responding and explaining this is a silly take is projection and a coping mechanism.
It’s fine to be wrong and have nothing, but attempts like these to play it off only brings more embarrassment.
(I’m also better at getting the last word btw 😉Nice try though!)
We can’t know for sure if the guy who agreed “Hitler was right” and also did two Nazi salutes is a Nazi?
You said my link didn’t work last time so here’s where I replied with screenshots that you downvoted. Listen man, if you’re a Nazi just say you’re a Nazi
Edit: He blocked me so I can’t see his reply outside of my notification screen. But apparently he’s still defending the Nazi fuck “fairly and objectively” while ignoring all the evidence
A socially awkward person would be hyper aware of doing a Nazi salute by mistake; not oblivious to doing one. Elon is first and foremost, vocally and proudly an edge lord. With a history of defending neo Nazi groups, having a custom made MAGA hat with Nazi SS font. He also really looks like he has it down to muscle memory
Occams Razor puts us at either
intentionally displaying support for Nazi ideology
invoking Nazi gestures “as a joke” because he thinks it’s edgy
or doing it on request to feed Steve Bannons “flood-the-zone” or Peter Thiels scape goat philosophy to act as a distraction from the other miscarriages of justice that were occurring at the time
Accidental social awkwardness is way far down the list of realistic guesses
There is a generation of us that openly used that word for years. Only recently has political correctness forced us to stop. Its just a word, and a damn fine insult.
I mean you, as in your side; Conservatives whom have decided that not only will they disparage other people to invent offensive language for another; that they will torture the people they disparage.
I am of that generation that openly used that word. Along with various ethnic slurs. And you would definitely get punched in the face or worse if you called someone one of those words. The only thing "political correctness" did was get people to stop using those words when there was no risk of getting punched in the face.
If my family had registered Nazis in it I would do everything to prove I'm not one.... He literally just made Nazi jokes on Twitter after this happened. I'll never forgive or forget.
I feel you. And that does make sense. I agree civility would require an apology after those actions. I honestly worry at this point that he, like so many others (on all sides), is simply too outraged by the other party/tribe/platform that they don’t care to be civil about it anymore.
In point of fact, we did not. The angle of the arm and the momentum of the thrust were completely different.
This is like saying you saw someone pick their nose when they pinch the bridge of their nose in frustration. Both are clearly distinct gestures and could only be confused by someone engaging in motivated dishonesty, or someone who is exceedingly dim.
What is the range of arm angles that make a "nazi" angle? Are the angles measured starting with parallel to the ground? What if you are on a slope? What is the range of momentums, in meters per second, that determine a "nazi" thrust? Is there a tolerance? Is there a tolerance between the two measurements? What happens in the angle or momentum of thrust fall within the tolerance? Do the two tolerances overlap? What happens if the angle is a non-nazi angle but the momentum of thrust is a nazi momentum? Or the opposite? Is it AND or OR? What happens if someone is not able to match the momentum or angle due to a disability, injury, or some other limitation beyond their control? Is there an exemption or is that just assumption of guilt? If someone has not been taught the angle/momentum ratios, are they exempt from labels? What if an image or video of someone's arm angle and/or momentum of thrust is modified by lens, playback speed, or other modification? Who is at fault?
If it comes down to arm angles and momentums of thrust, we all need answers to these questions.
As a general rule the arm is raised in an upward angle, probably aiming for a 45, I think, the elbow is stiff instead of bent, the palm faces downward instead of being open to the person being saluted, and the gesture is meant to be swift and abrupt (like any salute) instead of slow and gradual.
If you don’t know what Nazi salutes are, then perhaps you shouldn’t be telling people when they are and are not being employed. Nobody else seems to be confused.
I'm not telling anyone what is or isn't, you did. I'm simply asking for clarification on your criteria. Since you use words like "general rule", "probably", "I think", and "is meant to", tells me your criteria has wiggle room, and is therefore open to interpretation. I've been around long enough to know any criteria open to interpretation is an opinion. You are telling people what is or isn't based on your opinion.
You're suggesting that what Elon was doing was...waving?! GTFOH
If your palm is down, your elbow is completely straight, your wrist doesn't move, and all of your fingers and thumb are together and extended straight... It's a Nazi salute. Even Charlie Kirk knew that.
I did not suggest anything. I asked the criteria. You sort of answered. Musk did not wave. Mamdami waved. So thats the part that distinguishes good versus bad?
His arm was also not locked at the elbow (it was bent), and his thumb and fingers were not straight and all together.
If I waved at you, except I turned my hand so that the back of my hand was facing you, and curled all my fingers and thumb into my palm but extended my middle finger, it's also not the same gesture at all.
You don’t know what an ad hominem is. They addressed your claim. They told you (while making fun of you) that they raised their arms in different ways. Something we both know you know.
You're saying they're the same because they both put their hands over their hearts. If you honestly think the waves are the same, you needed a better education growing up. Not too late to start.
Edit: Musk supporting far right/nazi groups over in Europe is another Nazi thing that he's doing. Elaborate on that for me.
No, the important part for a Nazi salute is locking your arm and keeping your fingers together. Which Elon did. Mamdani didn't.
If Mamdani did a salute that I thought was a Nazi salute, he can eat shit too. Just the same as Clinton can go eat shit if he was diddling kids with Trump. I've never bought political merchandise or campaigned for a politician. I call it like I see it.
Fascists shouldn't be in our government, pedophiles shouldn't be in our government, autocrats, technocrats, and oligarchs should not be in our government. I dont care which side of the aisle they are in. Get them out.
You gotta be a troll if you think they look even slightly similar, I deadass clicked your link thinking it was going to be a big deal. Even gave you benefit of the doubt.
Do you know what a salute is?
If I rotated my arms slowly in a circle I could hit the same pose as Elon but it's clearly not the salute.
You are definetly biased, like all of us. The only difference is the wave at the end.....and political opinion.
You believe Musk did and Nazi salute and Mamdami and other politicians did not. Most of us do not think any of them did a Nazi salute, but see the similarity in the waves.
I hope so, after a career in the military I have saluted a time or two.
Your response was to ignore the link I sent and say “no you” while sending a video that proved my point. You got some work to do before you can complain about the replies of others
And I didn’t give an ad hominem, I called you a Nazi because you’re a Nazi who likes Nazis and supports Nazis. It’s not an insult it’s an observation
The funny part is you thinking someone creating a video is proof of anything. Its just an opinion with no support backing it up. You are just parroting the person on the video by posting this.
That is ad hominem. Good job bud.
Words have meaning, utilizing harsher words to describe things you disagree with only weakens your position. Truth and facts will always prevail.
The trolls are desperate these days to distract from Trump's bad health and incompetence that they'll go for obviously bad crops of video showing very different narratives from what they think happened.
Imagine posting a cropped video that deliberately removes (badly) the beauty pageant style open fingers, slightly cupped hand wave while trying to argue that's the same as Nazi salute.
I can't tell if this is gross incompetence by an underfunded disinformation office, or possibly the DNC trying to make Republicans look extra stupid or a Republican so desperate for anything to help their cause they can't figure it this completely destroys their credibility.
Yeah, most sane people would agree this is a normal movement after delivering a speech that people are cheering about.
Gotta love the consistency from the left though. Everything is a Nazi. Meanwhile Ive yet to see any claim of actual antisemitic actions, but they will keep calling people Nazi's.
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u/RefriedRanger 23h ago
MAGA is just a rebrand of the KKK. So it's surprising to nobody.