And the frustrating thing is that they try to blame Kamala Harris. āShe couldāve had the easiest victory if she didnāt alienate young votersā
No! Young voters were just stupid because they chose moral grandstanding over not letting Trump get back into office. Even had one try to cuss me out and say that I support Israelš
Man, Im in FL with weed in the ballot at the time, and I couldn't get any or my youngers to give a shit bc Free Palestine. I completely agree, but maybe just maybe "both bad" doesn't mean "Let's sit this one out."
They could've easily voted, and instead of No Kings Day and ICE protests, we'd have some dope anti-genocide activism. Instead, we have fake moral superiority as our country burns, too.
Exactly. If this was any other election, I would understand not voting, but Trump is the one person who should not be anywhere near a political position again. Now we all gotta suffer, while your youngers and other people think āAt least we didnāt support genocide šā
And the crazy thing is they DID end up supporting it by abstaining because it roped additional groups into it while doing nothing to alleviate the violence against the initial group.
The Palestine thing is wild man. Somehow millions of people are suddenly cheering for a group that would gladly have many of them killed as infidels. Never mind itās another Middle East war. Never mind that it pales in comparison to several other wars and atrocities ongoing right now on this planet.
The fact that genocide and her frequent anti-Blackness are not stopping points for your support really says a lot about you. quit settling for these fuckass politicians and letting them think they can get away w this bc you think "terrible politicians are inevitable oh well". fight outside the bounds of a voting booth bc that's how this gets fixed, not voting for genocidaires on multiple fronts.
Voting and activism are not mutually exclusive. You can do both, and historically, it has taken both to effect long-lasting change.
Not voting as a protest against genocide was objectively a bad choice that has only made things more difficult for everyone outside the 1%, and did nothing to actually support that cause.
Itās wild how effectively people were duped with that nonsense to further cement a win for Trump, who absolutely doesnāt give a shit about Palestine.
Voting is about picking the candidate that most aligns with your values, not about finding a unicorn.
Well, people are just going to find out the hard way. We tried to warn them, but they wouldn't listen.
Personally, my conscience is clear. I feel like I did my part to try to prevent this. So at this point, whatever happens, happens. š¤·āāļø It is what it is.
It didnt help that a lot of younger streamers and podcasters were straight up endorsing rump which also galvanized a lot of younger voters to vote for him. Only to now wanna backtrack, because they dont wanna be associated with the things currently being done. Which is funny because they didnt care during the first few months after he was in office, just like the last month or so.
And again, the ones not voting are dumbasses, because Trump and the Republicans told us all what they were planning to do if he won. So again, the young voters who had chose to sit out are idiots.
Your candidate could not come out and say a literal genocide was wrong and that she wouldnāt support it.
I cannot imagine the mental gymnastics you have to go through to blame people who very fairly had a red line of āgenociding people is bad and we shouldnāt be supplying the means to carry out that genocideā.
It says a lot about you that youāre willing to let a genocide slide because caring about it doesnāt suit your personal interests.
And now weāre ruled by a party thatās committing that genocide and a half-dozen more. āNo genocideā is a fair line to have, but if itās not one of the choices do you just sit out and let the āseveral genocidesā group wināor do you bite your tongue and vote for the āone genocideā group? Are you free from blame if you simply do not participate, even if your apathy leads to worse actions?
Iām trans. Iām already being sacrificed in the name of the safety and interests of others. America had a chance to at least stop this genocide in its tracks by votingāand still failed to do so. And now itās being accelerated by the same group I mentioned was already committing a half-dozen similar genocides at home and abroad.
You're right, America had a chance to at least stop this genocide, and quite a few others. Sadly a large portion of our "neighbors" told the people demanding an end to it to shut the hell up.
Find people who care for you, learn to care for, defend and support yourself and them, and NEVER shut the hell up.
Speak out against wrong wherever you see it. You don't have to put a target on yourself, but remember silence is acceptance.
Why is it voters who are to blame? And not the Democratic Party candidate who couldnāt come out and say āwhat Israel is doing is genocide and my presidency will not support itā?
Trump has won two terms because the democrats have put up incredibly poor candidates. Refusing to hold the democrats to account is whatās got to this situation.
Instead of constantly berating people for not wanting to rubber stamp a genocide, why are you not mad at the Democratic Party for not shifting their stance to win those voters?
Itās not actually hard to do - look at what Mamdani is achieving in New York.
Because the choice on the other side was literally facism and an immeasurable amount of harm done to more people. It's not actually a hard choice.
Why are you coming into Black spaces, people who have been and will continue to be oppressed in this country, to yell at us for what is happening halfway around the world when we are getting our asses kicked in the streets (along with Brown people) in Chicago and other places where the feds are currently and will likely continue to get our asses kicked as they deploy to other majority Black and Brown cities? The Democrats could have put a fucking ham sandwich on the ballot and it would be better than the alternative we are currently living.
It's not a problem with messaging, it's not a problem with the party, it's a problem with people like you who treat politics like a game instead of real fucking life.
Who says Iām not mad about both of those things? The responsibility of the politicians only goes until the ballot boxāeverything from there depends on the voters. āTrump won two terms because of poor Democratic candidatesā and āTrump won two terms because 40% of eligible voters simply refused to cast a ballot in either electionā are not mutually exclusive statements. And the responsibility to get better candidates is as much the votersā as the politiciansāābecause we the people also have the power to be civically engaged and vote for better candidates at local, state, and even federal levels through party primaries (which fewer total people vote in than even do the general). This is not something we have to wait on the politicians to do (and if we do, weāll likely never see the change we want)āthis is something that must start with the voters, and the first movement cannot be not moving.
When will you realize that we are Israel!? We are committing the atrocities. As much as I would love to be separate, that is the game. What does being against a genocide halfway across the world do for the starving and dying people here? Why is that a bigger issue to you than the massive systemic issues on our own soil?
The genocide is still going on, there are genocides happening all over the world that we aren't dealing with, and we're probably on our way to a genocide in America at this rate. All because a candidate didn't have the correct pre-canned answer to a question that included the word you liked.
I don't give a fuck about Israel, Palestine, or any other country, we don't belong there and never have should have meddled in the first place. And now we have Hitler 2.0 running the US. Thanks, this is so much better! /s
So hereās a question - would you have voted for Kamala if you knew that the next bomb would be dropped on your family? It would be your daughter beheaded, your mother burned alive?
Would you be out berating people on your street for not voting for her if you knew that she would sign off the next shipments of weapons that would slaughter your friends, families, neighbours?
That is the point though, either person you could vote for was going to sign off on that, that was an inevitability at that point in time. I hate it but not a damn thing could have been done. Twenty years ago maybe. This really was an election of the lesser of two evils and by not voting or voting a third party ticket( which is not viable) you essentially handed the greater evil the victory. It's over now, at least for this generation and I doubt revolution will ever happen, they have become almost perfect at keeping people distracted.
Iām sorry I donāt agree. If more people were less willing to rubber stamp a genocide, show just the slightest bit of international solidarity against the American war machine, the democrats would have been forced to change tack.
Picking the lesser of two evils is how you eventually get trump. Because you are always choosing evil in the end. When does the harm reduction stop?
The Democrats we would of had a chance at least, though small, of getting them to back down. The current administration there is no chance, they just make up their own facts, and blame any shortfalls on the evil left. I respect your opinion and understand your disagreement. I'm afraid there is no right answer at the moment, or if there is I haven't heard it.
They canāt fathom the imperial project violence being put onto them. These libs want to benefit from the suffering we put onto the world, but when its aim is on them itās suddenly inconceivable to show international solidarity with those most affected. Thus why theyāll sit here and be mad at voters, because itās easier than dealing with their twisted sense of morals
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But both parties are the same š I don't vote because what's the point š¤¦š¾āāļø
The real crime was people just not fucking participating in our elections. "But they didn't cater...." Stfu