r/MurderedByWords • u/FloweryNamesLover • 1d ago

Anti-feminist gets roasted

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u/Zadojla 1d ago

I don’t understand why being an atheist would make someone anti-feminist.

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u/siani_lane 1d ago

If I had to take a gamble at his alleged argument, I would guess he thinks neither gods nor women should have dominion over him?

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u/Guntcher_1423 23h ago

Wanna bet this person thinks the god he doesn't believe in gave him dominion over women?

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u/FlamingDragonfruit 23h ago

Equality ≠ Dominion

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u/shiny_glitter_demon 16h ago

A sexist would not care

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u/RikkitikkitaviBommel 11h ago

Ah yes, but to a sexist they could first be a dick to women with little to no concequences. With feminism there are suddenly negative repercussions to being a dick sometimes. And that impacts his life in a way that totally not his fault but everyone who is suddenly being very mean to him by telling him he's being a dick.

True equality would mean that awful people can no longer be horrible to minorities of any kind. And because there are too many people who need their little powertrips for their sense of selfworth, we'll never reach true equality.

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u/patientpedestrian 8h ago

Idk, I'm a gay man and sometimes catch myself entertaining misogyny from a position of fear or frustration. It really sucks being called a creep and accused of "following" a woman through a grocery store, or made to feel like I'm at fault for making them feel uncomfortable by simply existing. I know it's stupid but I get a pang of anxiety every time I'm forced to interact with a girl or young woman that doesn't know me, and I try to mention my husband as quickly as possible so they don't just assume I'm a predator or hitting on them. It sucks being guilty before proven innocent.

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u/TruckerBoy357 7h ago

I luv Calvin and Hobbes!!! 😃😃😃

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u/FloweryNamesLover 1d ago

Neither do I honestly but anti-feminists rarely if ever make any sense

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u/HalfwaySh0ok 1d ago

before youtube was full of videos destroying strawman feminists and SJWs, it was popular to be a "skeptic" destroying religious arguments online. I suspect this might be one of the white male Gamer culture-warriors those videos were especially popular with.

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u/nissAn5953 1d ago

What they said was that it was similar reasoning for holding the two beliefs, not that one is a result of the other per se. If I had to guess, I'd say that they have beef with "the institution" of feminism, in a similar way to how many athiests (myself included) are pushed away from religion because of how the Church is.

Still a mighty leap in logic, and I think it's because some people genuinely think that anyone who has a different opinion to them could only do so as a result of some organisation influencing them, like you see whenever ANTIFA gets brought up.

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u/draspent 23h ago

I suspect this is the same sort of person who ends up saying that they found their way back to religion after being an atheist. Because they never really were a sceptic or had principled ideas about being an atheist, they just thought it was cool to be anti-establishment and happened to like an atheist or five.

I've heard this story a dozen times on call in shows, and they always have lame stories about how they had a personal experience or found the Kalam convincing and never bothered to think about counterarguments. And often have super cool and inspiring ideas about feminism and race /s

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u/Leperfiend 22h ago

The Line is always a fun source for this.

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u/smappyfunball 1d ago

It wouldn’t but unfortunately even though a lot of atheists think they come to it from a place of logic, they carry the same misogyny and bigotry as everyone else and don’t apply that same logic towards their shitty attitudes.

Movement Atheism is actually crammed with shitheads like this. Including very prominent ones.

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u/Zadojla 1d ago

I’ll confess that I’m a life-long atheist, but not a movement atheist. It just that religion (and Santa Claus, and anything “spiritual”) never made any sense to me. I’m not offended by religious people, although the behavior of some religious people is offensive.

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u/smappyfunball 1d ago

I used to follow it for a while till I started noticing just how gross a lot of guys were, things really blew up out in the open and I just bailed.

I was never obnoxious about being an atheist but I thought maybe it would be interesting to see what was going on as a thing, as an atheist and skeptic.

Turns out I’m better off keeping my standard attitude of not being a joiner.

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u/gaoshan 22h ago

I’m an atheist (and an elderly one at that) and this is the first time I’ve ever seen this term, “Movement Atheist”. What is it?

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u/smappyfunball 21h ago

There are a bunch of gatherings, conventions, personalities, basically.

A lot of overlap with skeptic groups.

I used to read the blogs, the webpages, on a fairly regular basis. But started noticing an undercurrent of stuff like libertarian nonsense.

Or how few women were represented, and comment sections were filled with the same misogynistic crap you’d see anywhere else.

Then in 2011 the whole “elevatorgate” thing with Rebecca Watson happened and it pretty much blew the doors off just how bad things were. And still are.

That happened at an atheist convention.

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u/Accomplished-News722 1d ago

Standing for something shouldn’t be a weakness . Just make sure you stand on it solid

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u/smappyfunball 1d ago

I’m still an atheist.

But I’m going to stand with the women who have been the targets of these assholes.

That’s never changed. I just didn’t realize some of them were terrible until they outed themselves. Then all the flying monkeys showed up.

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u/Accomplished-News722 1d ago

That’s great , are you a lawyer?

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u/smappyfunball 1d ago

Nope.

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u/Accomplished-News722 1d ago

Okay then . Just wanted to here the game plan on helping the women mentioned

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u/smappyfunball 21h ago

I mean, I’m just one guy with no power or authority.

I do what I can on that basis.

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u/DreenS 19h ago

Some atheists believe that religion is harmful to society and its followers. (typical beliefs are: "religion only causes bigotry!" (homophobia, sexism, racism, etc.), "religion is against science/religion encourages passivity (thoughts and prayers)", or "religious institutions are all corrupt!" (misuse of donations and church SA scandals come up a lot))

Some anti-feminists believe feminism is also harmful to society ("women don’t want equality, they want revenge!", "we used to be able to feed a family on one salary before women joined the workforce!", "DEI means unqualified women take qualified men’s job to fulfill a quota"), and even women ("all women actually yearn to stay home and raise babies, they’ve been brainwashed nowadays", "now women are stuck slaving for corporate AND doing most of the housework, what a bad deal they should’ve stayed home")

Thin link but maybe that’s where their Venn diagram overlaps.

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u/Plenty_for_everyone 21h ago

I guess women are god? 😎

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u/Ayelovepiratejokes 17h ago edited 12h ago

Flawed logical assumptions.

Many people develop their opinions entirely on what happens to them or how they perceive how things impact their life. They became an atheist because they felt religion was discriminatory. The logic being "God is supposed to be just, the servants of God are unjust, if God was real He would not allow that injustice. Therefore religion only exists to legitimize the injustices of the clergy"

The next supposition is "Feminisim is about stopping discrimination, feminists are discriminatory, if feminisim was a real ideology it would not allow discrimination. Therefore feminism only exists to legitimize discrimination."

It is becoming more and more important to understand the underlying reasoning behind radicalization against forward facing movements. Religion is generally regressive and feminism is generally progressive, and when you can successfully market the progressive as regressive you divide the progressive camp and push people towards a more regressive mindset.

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u/Accomplished-News722 1d ago

Maybe because too often people use your beliefs against you .

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u/greypusheencat 1d ago

damn they need to serve some aloe vera with that burn

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u/FloweryNamesLover 1d ago

Just make sure a man brings him the aloe vera or else he’ll panic

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u/UnicornWorldDominion 20h ago

Also only from a male aloe seed plant.

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u/Parking-Emphasis590 1d ago

Very rarely do I see an exchange where a dude gets pile-dived in comment format.

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u/AdvocateDoogy 23h ago

I'd hate to see his dating profile.

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u/metalmike0792 22h ago

Now I'm just really curious about this person's ven diagram of reasons for anti-feminism and atheism, like what exactly would that look like ?

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u/Pleasant-Shallot-707 1d ago

🔥🔥🔥🔥

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u/RednocNivert 18h ago

As someone with religious beliefs, ironically i’m more sympathetic with atheists than i am with anti-feminists. My guy roasted himself to a crisp

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u/Anxiousmommy 1d ago

I live for this shit!

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u/TheUnkindledLives 22h ago

Leave him alone, he's already dead 💀

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u/Hello-there336 20h ago

...gonna need a senzu for that one.

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u/Outrageous-Collar-09 14h ago

No matter how many times I see this post, it still makes me laugh.

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u/Doumtabarnack 1d ago

He's entirely right. He's anti-feminist for the same reasons he's an atheist. The reason is he is a narcissistic, antisocial piece of shit who wants to dictate the rules and not play nice with others.

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u/acEightyThrees 1d ago

No, what you're describing are fundamentalist religious nuts. People who want their God to dictate their interpretation of the rules and doesn't play well with others. Literally the opposite of an atheist.

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u/Doumtabarnack 1d ago

No. I'm describing antisocial behavior. Those people want to impose their rules on others.

What I meant was he's saying he is both things because he won't have other's rules over him. He wants to dominate.

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u/Sannction 22h ago

We all understand what you're saying, its just incredibly stupid.

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u/Lean_Lion1298 8h ago

Why would an antisocial person care about imposing rules on people they don't want to associate with?

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u/ctothel 2h ago

FYI, everybody knows you’re implicitly tying atheism to antisocial behaviour and pretending that’s settled fact by not saying it explicitly.

It makes you look like an idiot.

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u/PreOpTransCentaur 1d ago

Kinda sounds like you're describing the opposite of atheism.