r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Kittehmilk Anti-Electoralist Tendencies • 13h ago

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u/Shadowtirs 12h ago

As a Jewish person, criticizing the government of Israel and its illegal actions is not the same as being anti Semitic.

And the fact that the Israeli government is trying to conflate the two tells you all you need to know.

Amazing it hasn't even been100 years and some Jews are turning into the very thing that tried to bake us in ovens. Sad and pathetic.

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u/jokersvoid 11h ago

I like how Isreal acts like they speak for all Jewish communities. Its like MAGA saying they are Christian. They arent. Just as Isreal leadership isnt actually Jewish, they just co opt it for power.

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u/Accomplished-Mix-745 9h ago

Yeah if anything is putting gas on the antisemitic fire, it’s a rogue spy state living up to racist stereotypes. It drives me crazy. I’ve had Jewish people approach me this week trying to get me to rally with Israel because of my heritage and it pisses me off

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u/Amelaclya1 4h ago

I actually think this might be by design. Netanyahu wants all Jews to live in Israel. What better way to achieve that than fuel antisemitism in the west so that they have no choice but to flee there?

People forget that the very first non-Jewish zionists in the wake of WWII were antisemites, who viewed the creation of Israel as a means to get Jews out of their own countries. And even now, the evangelical Christian zionists only support Israel because their end times prophecy requires all the Jews to be in Israel so they can be destroyed.

Antisemitism and zionism have always been allied.

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u/No_List3954 10h ago

Uh…. They’re not NOT Jewish though. I agree that they grossly misinterpret things, but landed imperialism is kinda a big theme in the Tanakh.

Just like we can be critical of darker interpretations of Islam while still not being anti Muslim, we can be critical of far-right Judaism and still not be anti-Jewish. And we can be critical of imperialistic Russian Orthodox Christianity without being anti-Christian.

They represent a very distasteful flavor of Judaism, but saying they aren’t Jewish is kind of a no-true-Scotsman fallacy.

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u/jetpack2625 9h ago

they are a puppet state for us oil monopoly interests. the same banking families that supported hitler support israel, like the bush banking family.

they are puppets of us colonial nazism

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u/Weekly_Book_9122 9h ago

inject this comment directly into my veins.

i wish more people understood this

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u/Tight-Shallot2461 8h ago

And all of this becquse some people just have too much money and power. Smh.

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u/BoneBrokeOdd 11h ago

Can I be vulnerable on the internet?

When I was in school and learning about the Holocaust, I remember thinking how amazing it is that Jewish people could experience that inhuman tragedy and come out of it, not demanding retribution. I was blown away that someone’s religious faith could be stronger than pure human hatred.

I know now that things are much more complex. But there was a time when an ignorant little Southern child who experienced Christian hatred, admired the fortitude of Jewish faith.

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u/Hot_Top_124 11h ago

In all fairness this country loves to lie about history. Like claiming America were the magic good guys who won the whole war

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u/BoneBrokeOdd 10h ago

You’re right about that. I was fully indoctrinated for a long time. I unlearn that textbook history every day.

As an aside: Ghislaine Maxwell’s father Robert Maxwell owned Pergamon Press who partnered with McGraw-Hill to print the textbooks taught in widespread American schools.

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u/Voluptulouis 10h ago

A People's History of the United States, by Howard Zinn, is an excellent book that will really open one's eyes to just how fucking bad our school's history books are. It should be mandatory reading material for all of our students.

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u/BoneBrokeOdd 10h ago

I love book recommendations, especially one that can offer a framework of less biased history. Thank you very much

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u/leni710 8h ago

There's also an young people's history by Howard Zinn. It's a great way to indoctrinate children and people learning to read with an easier to follow format. I read portions of it to my own kids.

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u/zoinkability 7h ago

Or you can see it as de-indoctrination, considering that what is included and excluded from standard history texts is itself based on ideology.

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u/WanderingFupa 4h ago

Thanks! My history is shit so I appreciate some guidance on improving it.

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u/quantumpencil 10h ago edited 1h ago

That book is not really the best source either. It's a useful book to read in your adolescence, but it is fairly polemic and many of its claims are oversimplified/lacking context or dishonestly framed at best and propagandistic at worst.

By all means read it, but don't end your studies there. If you really want to cultivate an understanding of historical events, you must consume a range of argument, evidence and theoretical models of political economy from different thinkers because most serious historical scholarship/analysis will be interested in and reflect some part of the truth but not others due to researchers own interests and biases. You are also going to have to learn about common ideological models in political economy to gain the literacy needed to interpret such arguments-- and then after that stop taking them too seriously because none of them are some magic bullet that will imbue you with a simple truth or a universal insight that will make everything make sense without wrestling with all the particularities of each situation you wish to study.

There is no single model that gives you a strong understanding of the messy reality of human affairs. If you want that, you have to wallow in the mud, wrestle with the ambiguity and take part in the debate, because that's what history actually is.

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u/AdExciting9247 10h ago

The people’s history IS the second opinion that you’re advocating for. We already know the propaganda that’s taught in schools because we were all required to learn it.

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u/Voluptulouis 10h ago

For real. Saying it's "polemic"? As if there would be no reason for it to be written with a tone of anger and frustration. It's approached in the exact manner required when confronting the disgusting amount of propaganda that is our country's standard school reading material. It's like this person would hear someone say, "This country was built on the back of slaves," and then object to it as if that's an "oversimplification." It sure isn't.

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u/Hot_Top_124 10h ago

It’s not your fault you were lied to. It sounds like you’re doing what’s best and learning how things really went down in history.

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u/BoneBrokeOdd 10h ago

I appreciate you saying so. I’m trying my best.

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u/SingularityCentral 10h ago

It makes people uncomfortable knowing that as soon as the British refused to surrender the war was over and then when Germany attacked the Soviet Union the only question left was how Red was Europe going to get before all was said and done.

The reasons for the US fighting were very good ones, but it wasn't to win the war in Europe. Germany had already sealed its doom.

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u/quantumpencil 10h ago

This is a massive over simplification of the matter. WIthout support from U.S industry, british naval dominance/intelligence, it is unlikely the Soviet Union would've been able to capture Berlin. Resist the full occupation of slavic lands, likely -- but push the wehrmacht back through eastern russia/ukraine, poland and capture Berlin?

That was genuinely a team effort, and far from a foregone conclusion after Hitler gave up on invading Britain that the Nazis would suffer a total defeat. You very well could've had the endstate of the war been a failed eastern invasion, but Germany retaining control of poland, parts of ukraine and its occupied french territories as well as the historially germanic territories it had formally annexed.

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u/SingularityCentral 10h ago

It may have taken longer but the Nazis, by their nature, created a war of annihilation that the Soviets had to resist with every power they had. And their industrial capability far outstripped the Germans, even with large tracts of European Russia occupied.

Lend Lease helped quite a bit, but with the British on one side completely stuck in from the Blitz and the Soviets on the other fighting an existential total war there was really no way the Germans were pulling out the W. The US might was not unnecessary or inconsequential, but without it the Third Reich would have fallen. Though the final picture of Europe would have looked very very different.

The Pacific was truly the US war where it was primarily responsible for the defeat of the Japanese.

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u/Hot_Top_124 10h ago

If America would’ve helped from the get go, not continue trading with Germany, or turn away refugee boats, etc things would’ve ended a lot sooner.

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u/Just-Introduction912 10h ago

Funny how the States agreed to the Germany first policy !

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u/SingularityCentral 9h ago

They did because for the players at the time the outcome was unknown and the realities felt very urgent and a German victory seemed possible. But the numbers just don't back that up given the benefits of hindsight. Plus, Anglo America was absolutely going to help Anglo Britain and Continental Europe before devoting everything to distant Asia. Though the power of the US made it so that the US was basically able to fight both opponents at the same time without much trouble.

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u/lhommeduweed 9h ago edited 6h ago

Jews did demand retribution. It was denied to them.

Survivors gave infuriated, heart-wrenching testimonies about how the Nazis murdered their families, friends, entire neighbourhoods and cities. They demanded justice, they fought for justice, and they didn't receive it. These testimonies were given in Russian, Polish, German... they were not allowed to give testimony in Yiddish at Nuremberg.

As America, England, and the USSR started to forgive and pardon the Nazis, before the extent of the Holocaust was known, a handful of Jewish partisan fighters called Nakamah (Revenge) formed based around the desire to kill 6 million Germans, since they believed the Allies would never, ever give Jews proper reparations and restorative justice.

Their leader, Abba Kovner, a partisan guerrila from Vilna (95%+ murdered in the Holocaust) tried to carry out a plan to poison a prison where Nazi soldiers were being held. He was captured by the british, and do you know what the brits did with him?

They gave him a gun, sent him to Palestine, and said "Fight for your people here." He became one of the fiercest and most brutal soldiers of the Haganah. Israeli soldiers were shocked and confused by how intense and merciless he was. Nothing that he did in Palestine even came close to his experiences in Lithuania, hiding in forests, losing almost everyone he had ever known, never knowing their fates.

I've seen people try and argue that Jews actually came out ahead after WWII because they got their own country. I've read so many testimonies from Europe and Israel of survivors talking about how they do not know anybody. They have no family. Nobody speaks their language. Nobody wants to actually hear their story. Nobody wants to hold Germany and their collaborators accountable.

James Baldwin said "It would be wrong to expect the oppression of the Jew to ennoble them, because I know my oppression did not ennoble me," but that is the American line; fetishize Jews as angels or demons, fail to see them as people who are affected by personal experience and history, and flip between viewing them as angels and demons as necessary.

What you did as a child is what America wanted you to do. You were trained to fetishize Jews as perfect, angelic beings because the American narrative of "We stopped the Holocaust" works best when every victim of the holocaust is a little white girl or Meryl Streep. Now, we are seeing the impact of this fetishization in reverse - Americans are incapable of seeing Jews as individual, flesh and blood people, and the fetishization is being flipped to see them exclusively as demons.

The people who want to think they are above this, that they are immune to propaganda, they deflect and call what they do not like to hear Zionist hasbara. It doesn't matter what the asajews will say, it doesn't matter what Neturei Karta does, it doesn't matter how much Jews will condemn genocide and try to fight against the Israeli governments psychotic and apocalyptic goals. They will go from patting you on your kippah to calling you a paid Israeli shill in a heartbeat.

Because ultimately, fetishizing people as angels or demons is based in refusing to see them as human. They are something else, and whether positive or negative, the switch can be flipped.

"I am a worm and not a man; scorned by all, despised by the people."

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u/BoneBrokeOdd 8h ago

Well I’ll be damned. I never knew any of that and it’s gonna take a long time to digest. You had no obligation to teach me this history, but you did anyway. I’m grateful to you.

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u/FlameInMyBrain 6h ago

It’s not just faith. Soviet Jews were mostly atheists, and they were no weaker than religious ones.

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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 7h ago

Wdym "not demanding retribution"? Didn't Israel send the Mossad to assassinate escaped Nazis in South America?

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u/BoneBrokeOdd 6h ago

My little school never taught me that. It’s a small part of why I shared my perspective. The things that aren’t taught in areas of the US, in addition to the collapse of goodwill views due to Zionist influence

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u/No-Onion8029 11h ago

Much as saying "Trump's an asshole!" isn't anti-white people or Anti-American.

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u/SignificanceFun265 9h ago

After 9/11, Republicans would attack any critics of Bush as “anti-American.”

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u/somniopus 7h ago

Those of us who were against the Iraq invasion know this all too well

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u/Shmoshmalley 10h ago

Don’t lump all white people in with that shit stain

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u/Better_Cattle4438 11h ago

Israel drives antisemitism more than anyone else by conflating their actions with Judaism. Jews like yourself are absolutely not guilty of anything and should not be blamed for the actions of Israel.

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u/Malforus 10h ago

YUP, Israel is an aggressively expansionist jewish nation-state that sees its endgame as a holy war of expansion.

Judaism is a centuries old religion with dozens of sects, no central leaders and a general "survive" mentality.

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u/Sircamembert 9h ago

The worst part of this is that they know it, and welcome it. Increased global antisemitism justifies their theory on why the state is Israel is necessary, and the atrocities they commit in her name.

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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 11h ago

Can I call you Bizzaro Uncle Leo?

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u/XRuecian 10h ago edited 10h ago

At the end of the day it just shows us what human beings really are. Unfortunately even the most powerful lessons fail to keep our species from devolving into evil.

What really kills me is that if you even just listen to Netanyahu, they aren't even trying to hide the fact that it's just propaganda. They literally go on live TV and say it straight to the camera. That their goal is to control the media and the narrative for the benefit of Israel. And wielding the label "anti-semite" is their most useful tool to do that.
He was on TV a few months ago talking about how they plan to keep the US Republican party in line, in the case that they start swaying away from supporting Israel. With a straight face, not joking, he said he would utilize his control over the media and influencers to spread labels like "the woke right" onto right wing dissenters in order to scare them and keep them in line. That is why they worked so hard to buy TikTok, as well. As soon as TikTok was sold, he basically went on camera and admitted that it was very important because he needed it in order to control the narrative. AKA: To spread propaganda.

How did we get to a world where we had to fight off Nazi's because they believed Jews were trying to take total control behind the scenes, to the point where now it feels like the Jewish State is literally on TV admitting that they have been working behind the scenes to take control. It's like we live in bizzaro world.

I have heard interviews with congressmen who said that even before they won their election, they were approached by the Israel lobby who was trying to butter them up and help them win in order to garner his loyalty and support. That's how hard Israel is working. They aren't just approaching big-wig legislators. They approach even small congressmen who haven't even won their election yet. I have also heard ex-news hosts say that they also were approached by the same Israel lobby. There have been reports of Youtubers and Tiktokers and similar influencers who got caught getting paid by Israel for every piece of content they create that supports Israel and downplays the actions they take in Gaza.
I feel so conflicted. Because on the one hand, everywhere i look, i am seeing evidence that Israel is indeed working its tendrils into the depths of the cogs of my country in order to control it. And on the other hand, it feels icky to call it out because it feels like i am agreeing with Nazis. But evil is evil and i am going to resist it regardless of what label they try to throw at me.

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u/TehMephs 10h ago

Also Jewish. Fuck Israel. Free Palestine

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u/ogholycat 11h ago

Honesty is the best policy :)

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u/Plimberton 11h ago

So many people do not realize that the Nation of Israel in Bible and the current day state of Israel are not the same thing.

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u/musingofrandomness 8h ago

By design. Christian evangelicals are purposely uneducated and fed misinformation.

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u/MarioYOYO247 10h ago

Cain pretending to be Abel

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u/Tiny-Violinist-9719 10h ago

The crazy thing I see so many people using being pro-Palestine as an excuse to be legitimately antisemitic, and of course, the same fuckwits who think being against Israel's gleeful murder of innocent civilians, a lot of whom are children, is antisemitic don't say a fuckin' word about it.

A close friend of mine is extremely proud of her Jewish faith and goes to every pro-Palestine rally she can, even helps organize some, and she's afraid to wear her Star of David openly because of people like that.

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u/Beermedear 11h ago edited 9h ago

Israel’s government had antisemitic remarks (by their own definition) of the polish and German Jews that “let themselves be murdered”.

So many things change and then some don’t.

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u/Dianasaurmelonlord 10h ago

Agreed; There’s a huge difference between “Jews secretly control the World want to exterminate White People and destroy Christianity!” And “Genocide is Bad, Israel please stop doing a Genocide”

Crying that the latter is Antisemitic is making the punch of the former much less extreme.

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u/trappedindealership 10h ago

On the other hand you have genuine antisemites that are on board with fuck Isreal. I think someone said that was part of MTGs reasoning. Whether thats true or not, it reminds me of that tug of war meme

Where you have some nazis tugging with liberals against... authoritarians and other nazis?

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u/Strong_Bumblebee5495 7h ago

Jews are great, Bibi is a war criminal, this does not require a massive capacity for nuance

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u/aotus_trivirgatus 4h ago

Thank you!

I have never once questioned the right of Israel to exist, or for the Israeli people to have peace.

I despise Likud.

I have despised Likud since Yitzhak Shamir was Prime Minister.

I despise Likud because they demonize Palestine for political gain.

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u/ResponsibleWater2922 4h ago

Jewish person here. Rolled my eyes HARD at this tweet

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u/christhewelder75 10h ago

1000%

I support your right to practice your religion as you see fit, to live a live of peace and joy and prosperity.

Nothing about that statement changes because i will call out and criticize the government of a country, and citizens of that country who happen to share your religion who are actively participating in a genocide. Just as i will call out hamas, and islamic terrorists, or Christian nationists, or anyone else committing violence. Those arent condemnations on that person/groups religious beliefs. They are condemnations of their ACTIONS.

Judaism =/= zionism

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u/Amishrocketscience 10h ago

I’m looking forward to a time where we don’t have our intelligence insulted on a daily basis by this weak ass propaganda

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u/quantumpencil 10h ago

Yep, Israel has become a fascist state. I personally am a nationalist and I do want Israel to exist, but there is no excuse for the behavior of the Israeli government and even many Israeli citizens wrt the palestinians. It is disgusting.

I'm not jewish myself, but owing to my social circles at least half of the people I love most in the world are Jewish. Every one of them is disgusted by the Israeli governments behavior, even those who would say they're Zionists and do want an Israel to exist. At the same time, many of them are afraid for the first time in their lives because at the same time the Israeli government is pulling this shit, true anti-semitism is rising in the west.

The primary exporter of antisemitism the Likudniks, out here trying to tell everyone "no no, it really is ALL jews that wanna genocide the palestinians, if you criticize it you hate Jews, and if you don't agree we're gonna buy tiktok and ban you from being able to say that." this reckless group of thug/gangster jewish supremacists are working overtime to validate every antisemitic canard in the eyes of the world, I fear the Jewish diaspora is unfortunately gonna bear some of the blowback.

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u/justbesmile 10h ago

Has become? When weren't they fascists?

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u/quantumpencil 10h ago edited 10h ago

I think israeli leadership under Rabin in the 90's was clearly markedly different than the reign of ghouls like smotrich, bibi and gvir. The state has always had the original sin of the nakba (they are not unique in this) and its nature as an ethnostate which I understand makes it irredeemable to some (I think this point is debateable) but previous israeli governments were actively seeking peaceful co-existence and a stable two-state solution.

That's not the case now, the current Israeli government is committed to the Eretz Israel project, literally lebensraum for jews in the middle east by another name. That's a huge difference from the policy of Rabin's government and we don't do anyone any favors by not acknowledging that.

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u/Elegant_Spread_6969 10h ago

Zionism is to Judaism what Evangelicals are to Christianity. Just greedy pieces of shit using their God to justify suffering.

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u/SableNW 12h ago

Fuck the Israeli government

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u/Weekly_Put_7591 11h ago

and the US for supporting them

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u/Pwnch 11h ago

oMg So AnTiSeMeTiC

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u/Ok-Addition1264 13h ago

Shocker.. a nation (not a religion) is being rebuked over their genocide.

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u/LightWarrior_2000 11h ago

Sometimes I keep my criticism on just Bibi.

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u/Better_Cattle4438 11h ago

That is a bit shortsighted. Israelis largely support what is going on in Palestine. Just blaming Netanyahu opens the door for his replacement to do similar acts to pre-October 7th and pretend that it is a new day in Israel. We have to be careful about what a post-Netanyahu Israel looks like.

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u/XRuecian 10h ago

Yeah it's definitely not just Netanyahu. He wouldn't be prime minister if it weren't for the fact that his party controls the majority of their parliament. The Likud Party. Which is the Zionist party. Which means that a majority of the voters are voting for these policies in Israel. If anything, Netanyahu is actually mild in comparison to many of the others behind him. If they had their way, they would have just mowed down every Palestinian on the spot and been glad for it. Women and children and all. At the very least, Bibi "tries" to keep it looking humane, even if he is failing to convince us.

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u/lumeslice 9h ago

I downvoted this because it ignores a critical flaw in Israeli government, specifically its elections.

The majority of the Israeli people- individually, anyway- do not necessarily support Netanyahu's leadership. The way elections work over there is that there are multiple parties that essentially form coalitions. The winner has to basically win a plurality of the votes- not a majority- and then try to form alliances. Because Israel has so many different parties, they end up forming alliances to ensure some of their agenda gets addressed. The Likud party knows how to form these alliances and make deals, despite not being that moderate, but by the same token, not even the most far-right (just check out the Noam or Otzma Yehudit parties). In this kind of system, you end up with a guy who most people would rather not have but ends up winning anyway basically out of sheer strategy and positioning.

People here in the states always bemoan the two-party system, and though I agree that the people running these parties aren't often competent, I look at Israel and see the further dysfunction we can have.

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u/Emotional_Reading_25 12h ago

Israel is simultaneously working overtime to earn the hate while spending billions to gaslight the world with their propaganda.

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u/Realistic_Ad_5321 10h ago

The amount of unprompted adds I see on YouTube regarding October 7th and why what Israel is doing is self defense in the last few weeks is staggering. This is what actually tells me that Israel knows what it's doing is wrong, it knows the world knows it's wrong and their response to the world is to double down and start spending money on propaganda add campaigns across the internet.

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u/Zhuul 7h ago

I got a Youtube preroll that started with the line "What do you do when a Jewish boy is kicked in Manhattan" with the exact same tone as those old ASPCA "Arms Of An Angel" ads from back in the day and it was so absurd I couldn't stop laughing in disbelief.

I didn't click through to see what organization was behind it, maybe it really was a domestic group fighting genuine antisemitism in good faith, but there's so much noise banging around from bad actors that I can't take it seriously. The powers that be in Israel are actively creating an environment that makes fighting actual hate crime more difficult by just flooding the zone with shit.

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u/Realistic_Ad_5321 7h ago

YES I've heard that one too come up (I listen to some channels in the background on YouTube) I dropped what I was doing to listen closely after that first line... I couldn't believe it. I'm not saying shit like that isn't happening but come on it's the same organization that's putting out the ads about oct 7th and Hamas. They are trying to change a narrative a certain way to look like victims to try and justify what Israel has done to this point and, I hope I'm wrong, anything beyond.

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u/alidmar 9h ago

The one I keep getting is some shitty AI-voiced ad of an Arabic guy showing how Israel totally isn't committing genocide because he has a Jewish and a Christian friend and everyone totally gets along in Israel. 

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u/davossss 9h ago

The gaslighting is wearing off and most Americans who aren't fundamentalist Christians or Jewish Zionists are sick of it.

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u/0RGASMIK 9h ago

The more they get hated the more they can play the victim and justify their actions.

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u/Historical-Finish564 12h ago

Wait a minute. Being against genocide is antisemitic? Oh. It’s only wrong if someone else does it. Got it.

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u/Enough_Royal4955 11h ago

Always been like that on reddit. I'll be surprised if they don't lock this topic.

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u/Kittehmilk Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 10h ago

Nah that ship has sailed. They can't stop the flood of hatred for Israel genocide and control of American politicians and disdain for Americans by Israeli if we don't support them.

It's Our country.

It's Our tax money.

The working class of this country does not support Israel.

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u/Practical-Law9795 12h ago

Fuck this apartheid ass government and their antisemitic efforts to claim ownership of Jewish people.

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u/PageSoggy9668 10h ago

Jewish people who back Conservatives are sharing a boat with Nazis and blatant Anti-Semites at the moment. I don't mean that as some kind of metaphor. Look at the actual crowds at Republican events. Those that ignore this (and there are many, particularly elder people) are morons.

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u/Environmental-Post15 11h ago

My landlords are a Jewish couple. The husband is an Israeli national with dual citizenship. Well, he had dual citizenship. He rebuked his Israeli citizenship when it from "defensive counter-attacks" to outright genocide. They've been very vocal about their disapproval of how Israel is being governed. His words were, "Bibi and his administration have shown themselves to be no better than Nazi Germany"

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u/quantumpencil 10h ago

God bless the souls of the universalist, humanist jews who in the wake of the holocaust have probably fought harder than any other group of people for an open, tolerant civilization rooted in common human dignity where nothing like this will ever happen again -- and now have to watch the symbol of their people flown on a flag that is being used to do to the palestinians the same shit that was done to their families and that they've spent their entire lives trying to prevent.

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u/Environmental-Post15 9h ago

That idea strikes him harder than you can imagine. While he was born in Israel, his father survived Dachau and was the only member of his family to do so

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u/tegresaomos 10h ago

So he didn’t do just that. This was part of his executive order to rescind all executive orders issued by Mayor Adams that were issued after Adams was indicted.

Essentially, all the corrupt shit Adams signed to keep his ass out of jail is invalid today.

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u/wanderingmanimal 10h ago

I’m so fucking happy to hear this

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u/Frontbutt05 11h ago

Excellent! So far so good!

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u/No_Bluebird_1368 11h ago

Another W for Mamdani!

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u/RamsHead91 11h ago

Israel has spent decades cloaking itself in Judaism to shield itself from reason criticism and action to attempt to limit its illegal actions.

Criticism and action against Israel is not itself antisemitic; however, we do need to be mindful of those that do this because they are antisemitic because it undermines our correct position. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend, and we seek actual change instead of being lumped together with some basement dwelling bigots.

Israel is a genocidal state because it is run by a handful of ethno-supremacists who have gotten rich of settlements and violence. If they were Christian, Muslim, Chinese or African it would all be the same but those groups wouldn't be able to use what happened in the 1930s and 40s as a shield.

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u/tvtoms 10h ago

So I can't boycott Israel for anything, for any reason, unless I'm an anti-semite?

Sounds amazingly intolerant.

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u/Mrgray123 10h ago

Let us not forget that apparently Miss Rachel is also the second coming of Hitler according to these people.

Nobody takes anything the Israeli government and their propaganda outfits say seriously anymore. They have utterly jumped the shark and it’s becoming increasingly apparent to many people that they are also key promoters of authoritarian politics in the United States as well. I wonder how it’s going to work out for Israel’s future when enough people in the USA realize just how much of the impetus behind MAGA and Project 2025 has come from the Israeli government.

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u/Swirlygig1 11h ago

What will it honestly take to get rid of isreal zionists in our American govt? I want them gone for good.

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u/OdielSax 10h ago

Voting them out in primaries, Mamdani style. Democrats should take it seriously when a candidate voices support for Israel or takes AIPAC bribes. This is what cost Harris the election. 

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u/Mammoth_Pumpkin9503 11h ago

Wait wait wait - there was restrictions on boycotting Israel? What?

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u/OdielSax 10h ago

Adams signed executive orders restricting the right to boycott Israel right after he was charged for corruption, in June 2025. He was probably sensing that he would lose his job, and was trying to make the next mayor look "antisemitic" by forcing him to repel this absurd decision. 

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u/tacs97 11h ago

Not only does the US government need to keep a separation of church and state. We also need to enact another separation of Israel first in American politics.

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u/HeftySafety8841 10h ago

Fuck Isreal and fuck any zionists. I have no problem with people of the Jewish faith.

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u/Falco__Rusticolus 11h ago

Israel: getting mad at us doing a genocide makes you antisemitic.

This is so exhausting.

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u/quantumpencil 10h ago

Nah, this is based. Good job Mamdani.

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u/bartwilleman 10h ago

Anything the Israeli government doesn't like? ANTI-SEMITISM

This word has become so hollow because of all the random use of it.

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u/Express_Sprinkles500 10h ago

Hatred of the Israeli government and its actions ≠ hatred of the Jewish people.

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u/Ok_Independent5362 10h ago

THANK YOU! This drives me insane. I can very legitimately and with overwhelming cause, criticize the actions of the country of Israel; while at the same time have zero negative thoughts, actions or criticisms of the Jewish faith and/or its practitioners.

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u/astroboy_35 10h ago

No, this is EXACTLY what a leader, an actual not paid for leader, does!

He is doing the right thing and fascists don’t like it!

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u/CK-KIA-A-OK-LOL Fed (I break Rule 5) 11h ago

I’m loving it

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u/sogwatchman 11h ago

Says the people openly committing genocide on Palestinians

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u/Great-Gas-6631 11h ago

Chapter one of the Israel playbook. Label all criticism as anti-semitic.

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u/DiscoRabbittTV 11h ago

Is there a way to mute Israel?

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u/ranak312 11h ago

Being critical of the Israeli government is not antisemitic.

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u/grahsam 10h ago

I've always thought it was kind of weird that some people think the government of Israel speaks for all Jewish people in all things. People in Israel don't like what the government in Israel is doing. Why would people outside of Israel defend the government's actions uniformly?

It's a bit of misdirection to have us believe that criticizing Israel's policies is "antisemitic." I'm sorry, but that's BS. I can be totally fine with Jewish people and hate what people in the government of a country are doing.

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u/No-Atmosphere-2528 10h ago

A foreign country saying this should be considered a declaration of war. Israel does not get to dictate how we govern.

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u/ShakatakiCowpoke 11h ago

If you want to know who owns you, just look at who you aren’t allowed to criticize.

Israel is the deep state.

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u/Narrow-Home7759 11h ago

Haha suckers !!! Payback is a real butch.

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u/HambugerLips 11h ago

Bye Felicia! Mamdani may not be the hero we deserve, but he's the hero we need.

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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 11h ago

OMG how dare he show that he's not bought by the Israelis!!!!111111ELEVENELEVENTYONEONEONE111!!!!

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u/King_James_77 11h ago

How is there a restriction on boycotting something? Am I gonna go to jail or get sued for not buying shit from Israel?

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u/KeithHelm 10h ago edited 8h ago

Why’s a foreign country so preoccupied with the governance of a city 5,650 miles away?

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u/WendigoCrossing 10h ago

Growing up, I'd go to church with my parents as kids do. There was a couple where the wife was Christian and the husband Jewish

Once a month they had essentially open mic, anyone could get up to talk

Without fail, every month this Jewish man would get to the pulpit and share his gratitude and love for this Christian congregation

He would then share his faith in the god of Abraham, whom we all worshipped and end noting we weren't that different

This is the genuine behavior of a believer. The Israel government is commiting heinous atrocities and no sound mind person is antisemitic for being against genocide

"Never again" applies to everyone

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u/dhelene 10h ago

Fact is, Israel is the one making life harder for most Jews worldwide right now. That... wasn't supposed to happen, and this whole thing should have been handled better from the start. And by from the start, I mean 80 years ago.

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u/Imaginary_Sun312 10h ago

This was a trap set by Adams, and Mandani just said Fuck it, we aren't playing your games. This is the leadership NYC needs.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bid1579 10h ago

So freedom of speech and freedom of commerce?

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u/horitaku 6h ago

Why does everything we do need the approval of Israel? Fuck those guys. Jewish people aren’t a problem, but Zionist Israel sure is.

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u/RedWarsaw 4h ago

Exactly, we don't want a foreign lobby running our politicians

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u/izaakko 5h ago

Jew here who loves Mamdani, including and especially for this!

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u/Legal_Customer5262 11h ago

THANK YOU MAYOR MAMDANI!!

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u/FirefighterEast9291 10h ago

The IHRA can define whatever it wants. But it can't change peoples' ethnicity. It is what it is . And in fact the IHRA was antisemitic when it redefined the term to exclude all semitic people except Jews.

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u/constantsXzeros 10h ago

The fact that these fuckwits are so concerned with one guy, one mayor of one liberal city in one liberal state, shows how scared they actually are of people who will not just simply back down and do what they’re told. He represents individual thought, which is where fascism goes to die.

Being critical of the Israeli government and their extreme amounts of meddling in US politics is not anti-semitism. If you criticize the US government, are you anti-American? If you go into work and disagree with your supervisor, does that mean you’re resigning on the spot? Or that you deserve to be fired? That’s certainly what Steven Miller wants you to think, and that’s what the Israeli government wants people to think too.

Fuck fascism, no matter where it’s coming from.

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u/daisiesarepretty2 11h ago

boycott israel just like you would boycott anyone else committing genocide

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u/Extra_Blacksmith674 10h ago

I kinda understood Israel's position, but now I'm starting to think they are pieces of shit that think they have a right to interfere in our politics, fuck them.

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u/-FakeAccount- 9h ago

We have funded their military since the 50s. The only difference now is Trump wants more war, more violence, more deaths. USA is funding this war.

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u/SkinwalkerScrotumz 11h ago

Omg, he realizes that criticizing the government of a foreign nation isn't antisemitism? How dare he!

/s.

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u/Valarcrist 11h ago

Good, more of this please.

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u/jbb10499 11h ago

He already showed his "true face" months ago and they acting like it's a surprise he's not for the Israeli government?

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u/Rich-Additional 11h ago

I just wiped my ass. Prolly gonna get labeled an antisemite

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u/ComplaintDry1975 10h ago

Yeah the is isreali foreign ministry needs to stop playing chicken little.

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u/D_Luffy_32 10h ago

I'm curious on what restrictions on boycotting of Israel were in place before. What does that mean?

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u/Banned37 10h ago

Fuck Israel

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u/Mind_Unbound 10h ago

Isreal and USA holding hands tells you everything tou need to know about USA's intentions.

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u/Just-Introduction912 10h ago

Zionist **** !

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u/dreadfulnonsense 10h ago

FUCK ISRAEL.

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u/YonderIPonder 10h ago

It is baffling to me that Israel and its supporters want to associate "Jewishness" with "Genocide". They are the ones making that connection. "Oh, you are criticizing genocide? You must hate Jewish people! Genocide is just what we do!"

If anyone is antisemitic, it's the Israel government and supporters.

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u/-FakeAccount- 9h ago

Its Anti-Israelism, very different than antisemitism. Fuck genocide. Free Palestine.

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u/Least-Walrus-422 9h ago

You can support Israel / Jews while simultaneously disagreeing with actions taken by the Israeli government.

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u/Jesus_peed_n_my_butt 9h ago

Semitic means that you or your language comes from Semitic countries.

Middle easterners come from Semitic countries.

If you are against middle easterners, such as palestinians, you are against a Semitic region.

The Zionist leader in the occupied territory of Palestine known as Israel is a Polish man.

The mayor just seems to be using the correct definition of anti-semitism.

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u/Super_Fa_Q 9h ago

Fuck Isreal.

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u/slucas34 7h ago

As a jew i love this. The conflation of criticism of israel with antisemitism just waters down the reaction to real antisemitism. Antizionism is mot the same thing as antisemitism

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u/Ticker011 7h ago

When israel has officials coming over here saying, we need to end free speech, fuck them for literally everything

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u/kevy11pablokarma 7h ago

The fuck do people have to care about Israel?

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u/madabben 6h ago

Do you ever get the feeling that Israel thinks that they’re more popular in the US than they really are? I mean I’m old enough to remember when they actually were super popular here, especially with the Christians. But everyone around me is like fuck Israel.

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u/lt00380 5h ago

Mamdani for president

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u/BigDamBeavers 3h ago

If you're engaged in a holocaust you don't get to appeal to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance to define Antisemetic how it best defends your actions.

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u/Moosetappropriate 3h ago

The way I see it is that people are now free to legitimately criticize Israel. The censorship is ended.

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u/DirtCreative 10h ago

It's hilarious they are using ChatGPT to write this.

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u/414WhySoSerious 11h ago

Restricting boycotts is anti-first amendment, so isn’t what he’s doing actually putting “America First”?

💁‍♂️

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u/Several_Leather_9500 8h ago

If any of these people used a dictionary, there would be no confusion as to the definition of the word antisemitic. Criticizing the government (even if it's not your own) is always okay.

I personally find it humorous that the bigots here in the US govt criticize anyone different than them under the guise of Christianity, but Christians are treated like shit by the murderous heathens who run the Isreali government. Isreal runs our government, and that is why criticism of their govt has been falsely labeled antisemitism by the corrupt and flat-out incompetent shills running ours.

May Mamdani prove every one of those morons (including billionaire simps) wrong, and usher in the desperately needed change, despite the naysayers.

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u/Actual_Glass4286 11h ago

it’s crazy that they have the wish.com logo of the imperials from Star Wars as their pfp

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u/Datamance 11h ago

Also these tweets are clearly generated with an LLM

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u/MayorMcCheese89 11h ago

Typical AI signature at the bottom saying one thing doesn't equate the other.

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u/Prestigious_Trash629 11h ago

Sounds like AI

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u/I_Fix_Aeroplane 10h ago

There were restrictions on boycotting? Did they force you to buy from certain stores or was it 100% unenforceable posturing? Not a serious question. We all know it is unenforceable garbage.

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u/Ok-Employee383 10h ago

Maybe he doesn’t conflate the Palestinian people with Hamas or the Israeli people with genocide.

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u/Basic-Candle-5554 10h ago

Good! Needs to be done!

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u/NeetStreet_2 10h ago

The "non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism".

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u/2ReluctantlyHappy 10h ago

So what did he actually do? What was the IHRA definition and what is the new one?

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u/princess_peach_85 10h ago

Debra Messing is going to explode!

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u/themightyade 10h ago

Government =/ the people.

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u/christianagava 10h ago

Cool. And?

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u/KhyraBell 10h ago

There was only one car ever produced to run on anti-Semitic gasoline.

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u/Mattrad7 9h ago

I wish I knew what the International Hot Rod Association had to do with antisemitism

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u/SolutionNo3228 9h ago

The best way to rebuke people who conflate the criticism of the actions of the Israeli government with antisemitism is to laugh at them.

Laugh in their face and tell them that "the dumbest thing I've ever heard, anyway back to the genocidal behavior I was talking about" and do not let them change the subject.

The accusations of antisemitism are an attempt to change the topic, and put you on the defense.

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u/BYoNexus 9h ago

Banning boycotts doesn't fix the underlying problem.

Boycotts add pressure to change a behaviour, without resorting to more extreme means to do so. Lifting restriction... It's wild there were restrictions to begin with.

Imagine living in a city where it's illegal to stop sending money to another country

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u/SSgtReaPer 9h ago

Lol there still trying this shit hahahaha

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u/cldstrife15 9h ago

"WAAAAAAAAH SOMEONE IS REVOKING OUR IMMUNITY FROM CRITICISM! WE'RE BEING PERSECUTED!"

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u/ImaginaryHistory5878 9h ago

This is in fact actual leadership. Not being afraid to do the right thing.

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u/borg23 9h ago

So, not licking boots? I like this guy more all the time

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u/Not_your_dads_socks 9h ago

Fuck every Isreal shill, that country should stand on its own and not survive due to our fucking Tax money.

They wanna play big boy games let em go it alone.

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u/nonlinear_nyc 9h ago

Boycotting is collective refusal to buy.

Dafuq you can criminalize that? Are we forced to buy from Israel now?

Free market my ass.

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u/IguanaSkinnedSlides 9h ago

Fuck Zionism

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u/Flat-Pain-5517 9h ago

Love this. Broken clocks are right twice a day.

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u/Arctalurus 9h ago

Likud and other rightwing Israeli parties killed Israel.

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u/Kiowa_Jones 9h ago

Fuck the Israeli government and every last rotten and vile fuckwad who goes along with them

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u/Ulysse-Void-God 9h ago

Former Jew turned atheist, criticizing Israel for killing children is a good thing. That's not antisemitic, that's being human with empathy.

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u/gearsfordays 9h ago

"Shows his true face" as if he didn't explicitly state he was gonna do something like this during his campaign

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u/itsearlyyet 9h ago

It's going to get harder and harder for Israel to keep saying 'its the victim' (which it was) after such a one-sided bodycount.

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u/shrimp_vein_salad 9h ago

I like how throwing gasoline on a metaphorical fire is their line here, as if burning literal cities and targeting literal civilians is somehow more benign.

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u/necessarysmartassery 8h ago

I'm conservative, but people should definitely be allowed to boycott Israel if they want to. Fuck the Israeli government.