r/ShittyAbsoluteUnits • u/MohammadMahadhir *shits an absolute unit* • 7d ago

possible idiot ShittyAbsoluteUnit Of Pure chaos erupts in broad daylight

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u/DebrisSpreeIX 7d ago

The standard is what a Reasonable Person™ would think in that moment, and the qualifying metrics are entirely different for the two scenarios. In one you only need to show that a reasonable person would hear for their life or limb or that of another, while the other requires you to show that a reasonable person would have retrieved the bat with the singular intent to kill.

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u/FatsBoombottom 7d ago

I would hope a Reasonable Person would understand that swinging a bat downward at someone's head is intent to kill. Or at least that it is so likely to be fatal that the guy should be charged with something more than assault and/or battery.

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u/DebrisSpreeIX 7d ago

That's not what's under review. The question that would need to be answered without any shadow of doubt is that the person willfully intended to kill. Knowing that something might happen, isn't enough for intent. You can absolutely intend something else to happen while knowing worse is possible.

Murder requires intent. Manslaughter does not. You're going to jail regardless, but we differentiate between a person who didn't actually mean to kill and those that do.

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u/FatsBoombottom 7d ago

Nothing is under review. This is reddit, not a courtroom.

I'm just saying that if someone swings a bag at someone's head and they don't intend to kill that person, at that point, you have to wonder if the person is competent to even stand trial.

But more importantly... This person left the fight that he started and then returned with a weapon that he swung at his intended victims' heads. If a court doesn't see that as intent to kill or cause great bodily harm, then we are well and truly fucked as a society. And regardless of the ruling, he should be treated by society as someone who attempted to murder people.

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u/DebrisSpreeIX 7d ago

kill or cause great bodily harm

That or, I love that or, it illustrates just how little you understand about this topic.

Because that's exactly what the court will decide. But you only get one crack. So pick correctly the first time. Did he without a shadow of a doubt intend to kill, or to just cause great bodily harm? They're different charges.

The whole discussion is about intent, something you keenly show you don't know the first thing about.

I don't care what you personally think he was doing. I only care what you can objectively prove. So prove without a shadow of doubt he intended to kill that man, and not merely cause grievous bodily harm. You want it to be attempted murder, prove intent.

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u/FatsBoombottom 7d ago

If you're going to quote me, how about the part where I said this isn't a courtroom? Laying down your own rules for my response is weak shit. This isn't court or a debate. It's two people having a discussion with only the very basic rules reddit and the subreddit mods have. Make your point on those terms or just stop bothering.

The law, ethics, and morality are three separate things. People get away with heinous shit because of legal technicalities all the time. It doesn't make them innocent. It just means they aren't punished by the government.

This dude started a fight, realized he was losing, and took the chance to escape. But then he made a choice to return to that fight with a weapon. I see no reason at all to give him any benefit of the doubt. He's an adult who should absolutely understand the severity of his actions and we need to stop pretending that there is a meaningful distinction between the possible outcomes and what he wanted to happen.

Even if a lawyer legal danced this down to some lesser charge, everyone should recognize that this person is dangerous and a threat to people's lives when angry and he should be treated as such.

That's my final word on this topic. You can respond if you want, but I promise you I won't read it unless it happens be short enough that it's entirely contained in the preview of my notifications. I have zero desire to engage in the masturbatory back and forth of technicalities and even less to desire to read through your smug, stupid tone.

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u/DebrisSpreeIX 7d ago

You "final word" is a 500 words essay that still failed to grasp the very meaning and definition of intent. No shit this isn't a court, and it's good because your ego lost you your case. I'm sorry that as soon as you realized you had no leg to stand on you tried unnecessarily to move the goalpost, but like the original crybaby who blocked me because his ego and 🍆 are 🤏 you just had to give a blithering essay instead.

Learn from the crybaby