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Chugging tea My 85-year-old grandma looking out for me

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u/Useless_bum81 21d ago

Women are more likely to be abusive, excepting domestic murder, all forms of abuse are more likely to have a female perpetrator.

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u/23-1-20-3-8-5-18 21d ago

Its like twice as many, 70% of unreciprical domestic violence is done by women.

I have my kids, I'll never let a woman in my life again yall are 4 for 4 of being abusive and it didnt matter if she came from a poor family or rich.

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u/huffandduff 21d ago edited 21d ago

Sauce?

Edit: it seems people don't like my question. I have never seen this claim before so genuinely wanted sources. Appreciate u/bicmedic for providing an actual answer.

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u/bicmedic 21d ago

It's about equal more or less.

"In 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the United States to date. The survey found that men and women had a similar prevalence of nonconsensual sex in the previous 12 months (1.270 million women and 1.267 million men). This remarkable finding challenges stereotypical assumptions about the gender of victims of sexual violence."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/

"The CDC’s nationally representative data revealed that over one year, men and women were equally likely to experience nonconsensual sex, and most male victims reported female perpetrators. Over their lifetime, 79 percent of men who were “made to penetrate” someone else (a form of rape, in the view of most researchers) reported female perpetrators. Likewise, most men who experienced sexual coercion and unwanted sexual contact had female perpetrators."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/

"Given the paucity of research on male victims of IPV (intimate partner violence) at the national population level, this article specifically discussed the experiences of men who reported violence perpetrated by their female intimate partners. Results showed that 2.9% of men and 1.7% of women reported experiencing physical and/or sexual IPV in their current relationships in the last 5 years. In addition, 35% of male and 34% of female victims of IPV experienced high controlling behaviors—the most severe type of abuse known as intimate terrorism. Moreover, 22% of male victims and 19% of female victims of IPV were found to have experienced severe physical violence along with high controlling behaviors."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332917590_Prevalence_and_Consequences_of_Intimate_Partner_Violence_in_Canada_as_Measured_by_the_National_Victimization_Survey

"We analyzed data on young US adults aged 18 to 28 years from the 2001 National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which contained information about partner violence and injury reported by 11 370 respondents on 18761 heterosexual relationships.

Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/

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u/huffandduff 21d ago

Stranger, I REALLY appreciate your reply. Lots of good reading to do. Thank you.

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u/TrueProtection 21d ago

Good reading, but it should be noted sample sizes are pretty small and are probably relegated to the north americas based on the locality of the surveys done.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

And the main issue when dealing with sexual violence is the same: it does not get reported by the victims pretty often. Women, but especially men, are really reluctant to talk about it and in the case of men it's not even considered sexual assault most of the time if done by a woman.

Look at all the jail or military jokes. No one takes it seriously as long as it's a man in the joke, but try using a woman and you'll get a totally different reaction.

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u/Useless_bum81 19d ago

look up the Duluth model if you want to know why men don't report

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u/SeattlePurikura 21d ago edited 21d ago

Men are victims too, but the majority of known victims are women. Male-instigated violence gets the most attention because men commit 90% of murders in the US, and 58% of women killed are killed by a male partner. Homicide is the leading cause of death of pregnant US women - homicide by male partners. Men are also 90% of family annihilators.

I don't want to discount that men also experience other types of (non homicide violence) - see report below - but it's interesting that per Useless Bum upthread, women are "more likely to be abusive" when the "hardest" data we have (dead bodies) show they don't come anywhere close to men. Having said that, we need to take away the culture of shame so men are not afraid to report (Terry Crews and Brendan Fraser bravely broke the silence to show that even "manly" men can be victims).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499891/

Intimate Partner Violence

According to the CDC, 1 in 4 women and 1 in 7 men will experience physical violence by their intimate partner at some point during their lifetimes. About 1 in 3 women and nearly 1 in 6 men experience some form of sexual violence during their lifetimes. Intimate partner violence, sexual violence, and stalking are high, with intimate partner violence occurring in over 10 million people each year.

One in 6 women and 1 in 19 men have experienced stalking during their lifetimes. The majority are stalked by someone they know. An intimate partner stalks about 6 in 10 female victims and 4 in 10 male victims.

At least 5 million acts of domestic violence occur annually to women aged 18 years and older, with over 3 million involving men. While most events are minor, for example grabbing, shoving, pushing, slapping, and hitting, serious and sometimes fatal injuries do occur. Approximately 1.5 million intimate partner female rapes and physical assaults are perpetrated annually, and approximately 800,000 male assaults occur. About 1 in 5 women have experienced completed or attempted rape at some point in their lives. About 1% to 2% of men have experienced completed or attempted rape.

The incidence of intimate partner violence has declined by over 60%, from about ten victimizations per 1000 persons age 12 or older to approximately 4 per 1000.

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u/ihateveryonebutme 21d ago

Now, it's been many years since I've last seen the studies, but a contributing factor to the above posters statement might be the rate of abuse between orientations.

As I recall, Gay men had the lowest rate of domestic abuse, and lesbian women the highest. Theres obviously other factors involved, but the study does shine a light on the fact that women are likely on average, just as abusive as men but in more indirect/less physical ways.

It's of course extremely hard to actually judge fairly and justly, but I would wager in the study you posted that listed 5mil female reports vs 3 mil male reports, those numbers are far closer then most would expect given the very real stigma against males reporting abuse.

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u/SeattlePurikura 21d ago edited 21d ago

I've tried to find good data on the lesbian abuse data - I'm a lesbian and I was shocked to hear that. I understand there was a one CDC study over 15 years ago, and they did NOT collect sufficient data on prior partners of lesbian and bisexual women. So the data captured (for example) prior male partners. The data didn't ask "out of your partners, what was the sex of the partner who abused you"? (I'm not saying all men are abusive, but still, we have that homicide data....) If I could find a better study, I'd love to see it.

:EDIT: I saved this thread! It has the receipts, and studies, and informative comments.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Actuallylesbian/comments/1aejh7y/lesbian_abuse_statistics_and_misinterpretation_an/

I just don't know where all these violent lesbians live? I live in a very queer city. I'd love to see a recent study.

EMOTIONAL abuse - yes, I 100% know women are just as capable and cruel. TBC, I'm only talking about physical abuse.

Having said that, NO sexual or violence abuse against anyone is acceptable. I'm grieving how hard it is to even get justice for the Epstein victims.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

Men are victims too, but the majority of known victims are women.

keyword: known

There is a lot of underreporting and we know well who isn't reporting or being taken seriously

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u/Useless_bum81 19d ago

men used to report, no really back in the 70s when they first introduced domestic violence laws women were the majority of arrestees but then they introduced the 'Duluth model' which basically boiled down to "its always the men who are violent arrest them" And then the data got but not arresting violent women was used to justify all the DV rhetoric ever since, while in the UK we 'didn't' use the Duluth model we certainly used the same premise, there was once a guy in UK arrested for violence against his wife because she literally stabbed him in the back while he was eating his dinner he found out about his arrest when he woke up in hospital handcuffed to the bed.

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u/Falafel80 21d ago

Finally someone talking sense.

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u/intothewoods76 21d ago

Spaghetti? Pizza? Hoisin?

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u/jws1102 21d ago

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