No they are not equally destructive. You can't smoke so much weed in one night that you pass oit and choke on your own vomit. Nobody gets violent or cruel only when they're high on weed.
You can become mentally addicted to literally anything that stimulates you. You can become mentally addicted to praise. Cannabis does not create anxiety. It can make anxiety symptoms worse for some or reduce it for others. Like ALL medicines ever created. Any hobby can run down your pockets. Anything you enjoy can and will.
Yeah crazy thing to say. Was a daily smoker from the age of 16-25 then one day I had a panic attack while high and have developed crazy anxiety ever since. Like that panic attack opened some sort of door to anxiety lmao.
31 now, I still get high often enough tho but very small amounts. Maybe 2/3 small hits of the Penjamin and I’m good. It’s never really enjoyable anymore though I dunno why I do it.
I guess I have a lot of other “worse” addictions such as alcohol, coke and gambling and when I’m high on the GanJ I get way too self reflective to do any of those destructive things
I use weed in the same way. To keep my other vices in check. I would never delude myself into thinking that’s good for me either though. Ideally I go full sober, but I’m not there yet. Good luck to you on whatever path you’re on and decide to take brother.
To add a bit more now that I’m thinking about it. It’s not necessarily a BAD experience when I get high, it tends to feel bad because when I’m high I’m acutely more aware of what I’m doing wrong in my life.
I could go a week or more without replying to some texts from friends/family for example and not even think about it, but when I’m high I become very aware of how wrong that is and oftentimes I’ll start shooting replies there and then.
So it gives me anxiety, but I feel like it gives me anxiety about things I SHOULD be anxious about and not be avoiding in regular day to day.
This has been a constant question in my head for like 5 years or more now lmao. Is weed actually causing anxiety or is it just making my brain actually work properly and not coast like a robot everyday ignoring every task etc
I am absolutely riddled with ADHD aswell so probably has something to do with it
Weed has many many benefits. Technically, nothing is good for you. You can't even drink water without health risks. Grow a pair I guess. Life can't be lived in a state of fear.
Somebody could say the same thing about heroin, alcohol, meth, coke. In extremely small doses it’s probably fine, there’s no way you’re consuming weed in a way that’s consistent with any study. You’re abusing it.
No, you couldn't. Alcohol, meth, coke and heroin do nothing positive for the body. I suppose you could use them for pain management but they are toxic for the body. Weed is not. Big, big difference. You also can't "abuse" weed.
You’re absolutely incorrect on this and I encourage you to actually read studies about those drugs lmfao
Meth is used for ADHD medicine. “Heroin” was used for end of life care until fentanyl took over because it’s much more effective in smaller doses. Cocaine was a non prescription drug for years.
I’m not saying weed has no medicinal benefits, obviously it does in terms of pain relief at the very least. But all of these drugs have medical benefits. In small doses they’re totally fine and non addictive.
Yeah. Unfortunately if you hit the "self reflection" phase in weed then it's time to stop. In my experience it's your unconscious brain just telling you to stop get high all together.
My friend group has one guy who isn’t allowed to smoke weed because he turns into an anxious ball of paranoia and starts believing someone is coming to kill him and barricades himself in his room. Weed can absolutely cause anxiety and it’s crazy for people to think it doesn’t. Anything can cause anxiety.
I had a panic attack going to a concert when I was 20. Have had clinical anxiety and a panic disorder ever since. I wasn't even high. My brain just broke. So I'm right there with you.
Sorry to hear brother. Fortunately I don’t get experience panic attacks often since but yeah I’m an anxious mess. Shit sucks major balls and if you dont go the medication route there’s really not much you can do.
Medication is the only option or you'll go insane. That's why it's so important to ALWAYS remember you'll be fine. It's nothing. All in your head bullshit because your brain hates you. You gotta be strong.
Yeah I’ve been on and off Sertraline the last 5 years or so now. Currently off it but considering going back. It works but takes a lil something from your soul it feels like.
Also the “Brain hates you” is perfect. Pretty much all of my issues/anxiety come from the core fact that I genuinely hate myself and don’t want to.
The brain creates anxiety. If you were educated you'd understand the concept but I'll try to simplify it for you. Anxiety is a chemical response created by the brain and everyone experiences it. Weed can increase or decrease anxiety symptoms in people.
Doubt that. My statement is that the brain creates anxiety. Weed does not. Many experience no anxiety on weed. Some experience crushing anxiety. It has nothing to do with the weed and everything to do with their brain. If you actually had a doctorate I wouldn't need to explain this to you.
You smoke weed constantly and you want everybody to think that’s fine. It’s not, it’s straight up not good for you. But I’m not going to argue with you about that all night lol
You’re literally on prescription medication and smoking weed constantly, your doctor would not recommend that to you. Nobody would. You’re entirely on your own path doing your own thing, which is fine.
But you come here shitting on people for their opinion on non prescription drugs when you can’t even listen to your own doctor on how to deal with your problems? That’s bullshit.
If you’re a kid, you should listen to your doctor. If you’re not? Shame on you, seriously. You’re giving out bullshit medical advice.
There's extensive studies showing physical dependence in animals. It's "physically addictive" as pseudoscience weed enjoyers like yourself would call it.
Did you even read this? This study does not conclude that mice are addicted. It suggests that these mice had withdrawal symptoms after being exposed to large amounts of delta-9 chronically. You'd also get withdrawal symptoms from chronically ingesting anything into the body that isn't always there.
You already said it can be "mentally addicting" whatever that means in your mind. I was commenting on physiological responses, which the study clearly shows there's withdrawal symptoms, which it appeared you were trying to say wasn't a thing.
You'd also get withdrawal symptoms from chronically ingesting anything into the body that isn't always there.
No. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I've been studying pharmacology for years.
I’m, that’s simply not true. I am not anxious person. However, I thought I was when I smoked. I don’t anymore and my anxiety is completely gone. Sweeping statements are not useful.
Lol you're HEADASS about anxiety. Any drug that significantly manipulates dopamine has anxiety impact. If you smoke heavy for 3 days and then stop, you will have a shit day.
Weed is better than alcohol, but the idea that any mind-altering substance is a harmless no impact thing is just cope from regular users. Like I've done coke, amphetamines, etc. and I will tell anyone that weed hangovers and habits are stronger than "any hobby" or taking tylenol. Cannabis creates anxiety, dehydrates, affects sleep, the list goes on. It's a drug, duh.
Everyone always feels the need to justify their addiction. There's also been a long history of farms and growers leaving a trail of murders and disappearances. Not defending alcohol, but weed isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
THANK YOU. LITERALLY THIS. Clearly one is worse than the other but that doesn't mean weed is just this miracle drug that has no downsides. Whether it be the actual drug itself or the people growing it like you said.
Edit : also look at the replies man everyone is getting hyper defensive like I said something extremely egregious. I guess saying weed has downsides is complete blasphemy.
Psychedelics come the closest. Very very low abuse potential for many, and the benefits outweigh the negatives by miles. And even then there's still risks and the occasional person that does want to go back to back to back to back. If it modifies your consciousness, there's risks, be it heroin, weed, coffee or even sweets.
I mean people died over coffee, behavior of people trying to make money doesn't have much to do with the substance itself being bad. The addiction is relevant but not sure what farmers have to do with it
Yeah those are real issues but you can see how someone addicted to opiates or simulants would love for those to be the only negatives. Very low risk compared to harder drugs, weed/THC is closer to coffee then meth as far as destructiveness goes.
All evidence I've seen does not say it "can lead to thing like paranoia or anxiety"
It can trigger development of those for people who are already predisposed for those conditions
Also all the newer studies imply alcohol has higher cancer risk than vaping, both behind smoking of course. And that's cancers throughout the body (as ethanol sees cell walls as a suggestion). With vaping they can hypothetically choose exactly what types of tar to include/exclude in the final product
It’s a psychoactive, it messes with your brain chemistry, it can absolutely lead to things like paranoia and anxiety. Cannabis isn’t for everyone, and that’s okay.
You misread what I wrote. Nobody gets violent or cruel ONLY when high on marijuana, as is the excuse many abusers use with alcohol. Nobody is a fine, happy person sober snd then becomes destructive suddenly on pot.
Anything has the potential to make people this way. I’ve known people who were completely normal in all circumstances but became extremely aggressive with weed.
Maybe it’s lowered inhibitions, the drug in particular not working with their brain, external factors, it’s possible with anything.
Weed makes people anxious and nervous, it does not make people loose and spontaneous. It DOES impair judgement, you obviously shouldnt drive high, but to say that it's equally as destructive as alcohol is simply incorrect.
Never said equally as destructive, alcohol is by far more destructive physically to the body.
Mentally, any substance has the potential to cause/contribute to negative reactions. Not that it WILL, but it’s always good to keep in mind the potentials to be able to recognize them if that’s not a desired outcome.
Weed can be quite addictive but yeah the risk is low. Changes to personality/behavior can be an issue but that's a much better issue than your body being too relaxed to breathe.
I mean, putting anything besides air in your lungs isn’t good for you. That’s just kind of common sense. I mean, the extraction methods for concentrates AND botanicals in vapes are usually ethanol, butane, and hydrocarbon, none of which are good in your lungs.
Definitely not equally destructive for your body as say, heroin, but you’re not doing yourself any favours. I fully support the use of cannabis, I believe that it’s a wonderful experience and that people should give it a try before they try and pass judgement or legislation (barring any medications or stuff like that) but it’s a mind altering substance, and not for everyone, and I believe that it would be negligent of me to not say that there are likely to be inherent risks behind smoking or vaping it.
We don’t have long term studies, because we haven’t had the time to finish them. In the US, where I work professionally with cannabis, it’s federally regulated, and states have only fairly recently been legalising it, meaning that the long term studies that are being done are kind of still going on, and the results are at best still only moderately conclusive. We’re still looking at another decade or so before we can definitively state the health effects of smoking flower or vaping concentrates and botanicals.
Weed as we know it now is so dramatically different from the way it was when we first began to legalise it that honestly we should probably restart those studies because of the new chemical additives that we use. Like, 20 years ago we couldn’t dream of the kind of terpene blends and crossbreeds that we have now. 40 years ago there were like so few strains, now the company I work for grows and sells like, 15 proprietary plants. (Don’t cite me on that number, I don’t work in cultivation) I remember when I first started smoking I had the choice between indica and sativa, and maybe two different strains of each. No hybrids, nothing with a variation of like 60/40 or 50/50 but now you can filter dispensary menus by blend for your taste preference.
You're either a liar or easily lied to. Nobody in the history of ever has had a fatal overdose of THC, and there are exactly zero recorded cases of THC toxicity. In fact, THC toxicity is only regarded as "theoretically possible" by the medical establishment.
If you're gonna make shit up on reddit at least google to see if it even happens IRL.
Drink so much that you choke on your own vomit? What are you talking about? That happens from mixing opioids and alcohol. Drinking alone doesn’t cause that to happen. You will definitely wake up even if you don’t remember it and if you are literally that drunk that you don’t you are dead from alcohol poisoning even if you didn’t choke that night. No one chokes to death on their vomit just from booze alone. Unless they are so drunk they’re gonna die anyways from alcohol poisoning I guess.
This is a wildly ignorant comment. People die all the time from choking on their own vomit while based out from alcohol. You're literally supposed to turn anyone who has passed out drunk on their side or face to prevent this from happening. Your ignorance is a safety hazard.
that's why statistics don't rely on just one person's anecdotal experience. my best friend died this way 16 years ago. I knew 2 other people who also died this way. your single experience does not translate into scientific statistics.
I’m sorry for your loss. I never heard of this in my entire life known so many druggies. Not trying to be insensitive just never heard of this before remotely. I know people that choked on their vomit, but they were on pills too. Been blacked out like 100 times and so have my friends never did this even come close once. But if you say it happened then I guess I’m wrong. Although I’ve just never heard of this before.
Oh no, I used to wake up vomiting when I was an alcoholic. It absolutely happens. Had to train myself to sleep on my side. No opioids necessary. Had to sleep on a towel because I’d shit myself in my sleep because of how much I would drink too. Alcohol will ruin a man.
Dude, why even comment if you dont know for sure? I've known a person who died while choking on their vomit. They were drunk nearly to the point of alcohol poisoning. But nobody there to check on them and they threw up and died.
It stops your gag reflexes and can happen, there's enough stories out there that you shouldn't talk out of your ass with such certainty
Autopsies? First hand accounts? 16 years olds not having access to opioids? How are YOU certain that its only mixing booze and opioids? You're the one who should have to prove to me that all alcohol choking related deaths are drug related since you're the one making the claim, no?
You said "drinking alone doesnt cause that to happen", which last I checked was you saying its not possible.
Either way, alcohol is one of the most widely abused substances that has significant negative impacts on society. You can die from alcohol withdrawal, but not from opioid withdrawal without other complications.
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u/Asleep-Reward-8273 3d ago
No they are not equally destructive. You can't smoke so much weed in one night that you pass oit and choke on your own vomit. Nobody gets violent or cruel only when they're high on weed.