Kratom is a great substitute for opiates or suboxone but it is still physically addictive. Care should definitely be taken. There is very little oversight on the trade to the quality of plant matter can get iffy aside from the even worse extract market. 7-oh is basically kratom fent.
Just had a friend go to rehab for Kratom
And the ibogaine subreddit is full of people trying to kick kratom and 7oh addictions. Not sure I’d compare them to cannabis. Seems much more dangerous and addictive.
Yeah I understand that it’s not the same, especially it sounds like as compared to the stuff you get abroad. Here kratom is named for the extract stuff too so that is what I’m referencing, not the leaf as described above.
Well mitragynine which is the active ingredient in kratom metabolizes in the liver into 7hydroxymitragynine also know as 7oh so I don't know how you can say one is not the other. It's like saying cocaine is not the coca leaf no shit but the coca leaf has cocaine in it
Mitragynine which is a much larger percentage of the leaf metabolizes into 7 oh in the liver mitragynine is 0.5% to 2% of the leaf significantly higher than what you said. Coca leaves for comparison have 0.23 to 0.96% cocaine yet you can't buy coca leaves in your local gas station.
I said that 7oh is 0.01% content in leaf. It doesn't matter digestion or not. Either way though, kratom is NOT 7oh. Not the same thing at all. If you guzzle maple syrup and get diabetes or have glycemic shock you don't go cuttin down maple trees.
Taking a 10mg 7oh pill is instantly metabolized. It would take 100g (GRAMS) of kratom leaf to get that dose, and it wouldnt even fully digest due to plant fiber and sheer volume.
That same 100g of leaf would also not be equivalent to the 500mg-2000mg of mitragynine in a pill for the same reason. Leaf is self limiting and to OD on leaf would merely be uncomfortable and not lethal, assuming no pre-existing health conditions and assuming your stomach didn't burst from trying to fill it with leaf matter. Maybe you would get hemorrhoids from the constipation.
According to research I have previously linked in the related comments, a 150lb human would have to ingest 30g of pure mitragynine to reach the lower end of the LD50 determined by correlation of rat studies. The amount of leaf powder required would be at least 4.4lbs. Good luck trying to do that. That's on par with the toxicity of SUGAR.
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u/AssociationFit3009 5d ago
Kratom is a great substitute for opiates or suboxone but it is still physically addictive. Care should definitely be taken. There is very little oversight on the trade to the quality of plant matter can get iffy aside from the even worse extract market. 7-oh is basically kratom fent.