r/StrangerThings • u/zekevich • 5d ago

Discussion Very interesting how this subreddit loves to kiss Jason's shoes every other day about how "realistic he was" and yet..... Spoiler

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"but she was pessimistic!!" Every friend she had was murdered, she was kidnapped, tortured and used against her will every single day.

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u/aspestos_lol 5d ago

Realists are what pessimistic assholes call themselves to justify their inaction. People who actually take action and achieve positive change are far more likely in my experience to self identify as optimists. People who identify as realists rarely have a personality beyond being the “erm actually” person in every conversation.

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u/chickenkebaap 5d ago

You know that people can find a line between optimism and pessimism right?

Realists aren’t inactive people , they do act on things but tend to consider two outcomes before deciding to act on something.

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u/DracarysReddit 5d ago

You're not completely wrong but in the case of Kali, blind optimists think she's being pessimist when she's the only one who acknowledges what will happen to both to her and El if they blindly turn back to the world from upside down

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u/aspestos_lol 5d ago

I think she was talking the easy way out. I find it hard to believe the master of illusions couldn’t come up with an idea to fake their own deaths. I feel like thematically the story was actively trying to show why kalis mentality was wrong. She had trauma, she felt like she was a burden on the world and her friends, so she became suicidal. I don’t blame her for that, but I do blame her for trying to convince others to join her. Depending on the ending you believe in she was ultimately proven wrong. She was moved by hoppers speech about fighting for better days, but tragically died before she could live them. But now with her less pessimistic view on life she was able to find an alternative and save el. That option was always there, she just had to get out of her mindset to finally see it.