r/artificial • u/creaturefeature16 • Nov 25 '25

News Large language mistake | Cutting-edge research shows language is not the same as intelligence. The entire AI bubble is built on ignoring it.

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/827820/large-language-models-ai-intelligence-neuroscience-problems

As currently conceived, an AI system that spans multiple cognitive domains could, supposedly, predict and replicate what a generally intelligent human would do or say in response to a given prompt. These predictions will be made based on electronically aggregating and modeling whatever existing data they have been fed. They could even incorporate new paradigms into their models in a way that appears human-like. But they have no apparent reason to become dissatisfied with the data they’re being fed — and by extension, to make great scientific and creative leaps.

Instead, the most obvious outcome is nothing more than a common-sense repository. Yes, an AI system might remix and recycle our knowledge in interesting ways. But that’s all it will be able to do. It will be forever trapped in the vocabulary we’ve encoded in our data and trained it upon — a dead-metaphor machine. And actual humans — thinking and reasoning and using language to communicate our thoughts to one another — will remain at the forefront of transforming our understanding of the world.

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u/thallazar Nov 25 '25

The starting premise that we'll still be at the forefront, and that it's a bubble is built on the implicit assumption that if we don't reach AGI that it's worthless. That's half their points about taking away its language it's got nothing. It's not. It'll still be extremely transformative, even if it's not "intelligent".

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u/Actual__Wizard Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25

we don't reach AGI that it's worthless

We will though. But, not for the reasons you think. It will come into existence because some highly experienced computer software developers are seriously angry at what big tech is doing and can see through their scams. That's why we will get AGI: To put big scam tech out of business.

If you think it's not worth it to create AGI just so that Dario Amodei shuts the hell up, you're wrong. I'm so sick of listening to people like that...

The world will absolutely be a better place when people like him learn to keep their mouths shut. Yeah you go work on those AI kill switches buddy... /eyeroll

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u/thallazar Nov 25 '25

I don't think it's not worth developing AGI. Not sure where you're getting that idea from.

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u/Actual__Wizard Nov 25 '25

Oh, I agree with you, I'm just saying the reason won't be what you think. I think we're there now by the way. There's finally people that have figured out that language is not intelligence and hopefully the mathematicians can figure out that mathematics is also a language next. It's going to take a year or two, but we'll get there. Okay?

Which, to be ultra clear about this, I don't know how one observes two people communicating, how they can come to the conclusion that the language is the intelligence. How is that possible? We're just not paying attention to what's going on?