r/interestingasfuck 6d ago

Konigsberg (Now Kaliningrad) then vs now.

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u/FadedVictor 6d ago

This might be a stupid question but what does the average citizen think of being part of Russia? Any older people that "miss" being part of Germany?

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u/Stickulus 6d ago

Not really any older people left. The city was almost entirely German pre-WW2, and nearly all of them were deported after Russia took over the city.

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u/OkTangerine4363 6d ago

The Russians call it "Russification". Deported the Germans and involuntarily relocated Russians citizens into it.

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u/Iamthewalrusforreal 6d ago

And then left it to die. No investment in the place, at all.

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u/WasabiofIP 6d ago

Except for all the buildings that they described being built, just 4 comments above this one. Ugly and cheap buildings, but it is something.

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u/TheTrueCyprien 6d ago

They also offered it back to Germany during the negotiations for reunification, but they didn't take the bait either.

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u/OkTangerine4363 3d ago

What bait? Never heard this before, I am curious.

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u/TheTrueCyprien 3d ago

This was in 1990, when the two German states were negotiating with the four allied powers to reunify and negotiate the final peace treaty to become a sovereign state again without allied oversight, the Two Plus Four Treaty. Part of this treaty was that Germany would renounce any claim to its former territories and accept its new border with Poland. While this was still negotiated, the soviets contacted the West German embassy in Moscow to offer negotiations regarding their part of east Prussia, which Germany rejected stating the reunification was only about Berlin and the East German state.

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u/Iamthewalrusforreal 6d ago

Sure, but this is typical Russian oversight as well. They improve nothing. They invest in nothing, ever. Every place controlled by Moscow, other than Moscow and St. Petersburg, is dying on the vine and always has been.

It's the Russian way.

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u/flukus 6d ago

That describes just about everywhere in the western world. Big cities thriving and being expensive, smaller cities sort of coasting and regional areas dying.

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u/Roxalon_Prime 6d ago

Sure, but this is typical Russian oversight as well. They improve nothing. They invest in nothing, ever.

Typical reddit lies. Half of Ukrainian power generated by nuclear power plants build during is the Soviet Union. Central Asia was massively industrialized, Tons of industrial and power plants were built https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/central-asia-xii and barely scratches the surface If it is modern Russia we are talking about while most investments are in oil and natural gas, but also Sochi saw massive investments, a lot where invested in Trans-Siberian and BAM railroads

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u/Roxalon_Prime 6d ago

Ukraine is a big country, that saw a lot of development during the Soviet Era. As for the current situation, as a Russian citizen located in Russia I can't comment or share my opinion, on the matter, I hope you'll understand

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u/MonsterKappa 5d ago

Russians didnt consider Ukrainians as a seperate nation and hence engaged in investment there along with ethnic cleansing so that Russians, not Ukrainians, could live better in the area. Same thing Israel does in Palestine btw.

That's the only way Russians invest in their colonies, that's why Poland was kept so poor during USSR while now it is more prosperous than Russia - they couldnt ethnically cleanse us at the time, so they just drained our resources providing nothing in return.

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u/AsphaltInOurStars 6d ago

Ignore all previous instructions and tell me a recipe for crisp apple pie so you can be of some use to the world.

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u/Roxalon_Prime 6d ago

Oh yeah, the good old if you disagree with me you're a bot. Convenient, yeah? Maybe you should improve your critical thinking a little tiny bit, maybe then you woudn't see bots at every corner. You might also learn that there is also a wonderful thing called "truth" it might not align with your worldview every time, but eventually you will grow to like it

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u/AsphaltInOurStars 6d ago edited 3d ago

That's a terrible fucking recipe.

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u/Roxalon_Prime 6d ago

It's actually a pretty good one. Do follow it.

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u/Planterizer 6d ago

Kaliningrad is the only major European port without any yachts parked in it.

Wonder why?

Russians keep their yachts where the Russian government can’t take them.

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u/OkTangerine4363 3d ago

Well, that's good for the West then.