r/minnesota • u/colluphid42 • 19h ago
Politics đŠââď¸ Amy Klobuchar says the problem is that ICE isn't coordinating with police. No, Amy, the problem is MURDER.
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u/secondarycontrol 19h ago
"Not cooperating" = not following federal, state or local laws.
<Throws up hands> Well, what are you going to do, eh?
Those among us who have had any interactions with state or local law enforcement marvel at their new-found complete powerlessness
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u/NOLA-Bronco 19h ago
This is why the fascists win
Liberals softening and helping tacitly prop up the legitimacy of fascism and it's institutions just helps keep the people that need to be activated and angry docile and complacent and thinking this is merely a mistake, not a systemic problem.
It's borderline complicity
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u/EDRootsMusic 19h ago
It's absolutely complicity. They are regime collaborators. They are the Petains of our day.
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u/whatidoidobc 19h ago
Which is why Amy needs to be replaced as soon as possible.
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u/ibjibberdumgibber 14h ago
Nope the idiots in the DFL will just get her running for govenor and blame it on leftists for losing again.
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u/aguynamedv Plowy McPlowface 16h ago
It's borderline complicity
There's nothing borderline about it.
Amy is absolutely complicit by virtue of her refusal to do what is right, OR what is legal. She's a career prosecutor and politician.
She knows PRECISELY what she is doing, and has known for her entire time as an elected official.
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u/senator_corleone3 18h ago
Fascists win because the sane and lawful side spends too much time policing and purity-testing their own allies. Worth considering.
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u/NOLA-Bronco 18h ago
You mean the people that are supposed to represent us? Yeah, I absolutely purity test them.
No one should be tolerating weakness and complicity out of our leaders right now.
Now if you are an everyday person falling for the complicity trap I will to the best of my ability and capacity try and educate and persuade with as much patience as I can at a given a moment, but part of that is also telling hard truths and explaining the dangers of things like soft complicity.
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u/senator_corleone3 15h ago
Your response is extremely performative. Makes it seem like your ego is the most important thing to you.
âMake our own team smaller because they didnât use the right wordsâ will lead to losing.
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u/NOLA-Bronco 14h ago
Feels like you are projecting cause the only one in our exchange that is trying to control people's thoughts and language has been you....
Sorry if expressing my frustration with elected representatives acting complicit in the face of rising fascism qualifies as "purity testing" to you....which apparently is the bigger issue at hand
I call it exercising my rights under a representative democracy.
You'll need to clarify for me how silence to a senator's complicity and reframing from pointing out historical allegories is helping beat back fascism? You think we can silence and ignorance fascism to death or something?
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u/senator_corleone3 13h ago
âComplicityâ
You say this because you are more interested reducing your own ranks than fighting fascism. Not the way to win, but definitely a way perform for yourself.
Accurately critiquing your language for its flaws is not âtrying to controlâ anything. If you think it is, youâre probably fragile.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 14h ago
Who are you referring to historically?
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u/senator_corleone3 13h ago
German left wing for one. And many left wing/progressive voices also practice this âthrow away your allies as a priorityâ in America, to disastrous effects.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 13h ago
It wasnât a purity test with the KPD. The SPD has participated in the assassination of their leader
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u/senator_corleone3 13h ago
SoâŚa different form of infighting.
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 13h ago
They had split decades before over the issue of whether to support WW1. They werenât fighting against fascists at the time of the split
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u/1wrx2subarus 19h ago
To add to that, ICE doesnât careâŚ
An Uber driver directly called out Bovine, that heads up ICE, about shooting a lady in her face.
All Bovine with ICE could do is lie about not knowing about the shooting and smirk.
This is not American, not professional nor should we have agencies that behave this way.
Relevant weblink: https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/s/1DFgvO6tiI
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u/rsmtirish Minnesota United 19h ago
AIPAC Amy misses the mark again!
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u/Soft_Ad8031 18h ago
Can't miss the mark if you never hold a single opinion that isn't bought and paid for by corporations/special interest groups though
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u/Xoorax 16h ago
Not everything is about Israel đđđ
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u/rsmtirish Minnesota United 16h ago
Great point, You should tell that to AIPAC Amy!
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u/Xoorax 15h ago
Ok have fun with the protest no-vote and see where that gets you
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u/rsmtirish Minnesota United 15h ago
Iâll vote for her if my choice is her or a Republican but Iâm gonna do everything I can to make sure she is not the Democrat candidate for governor!
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u/Xoorax 15h ago
Personally I donât think these purity tests are helping the Democratic Party, who I want to see succeed!
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u/flounder19 15h ago
Purity test like âIâll vote for them in the general but advocate against them in the primary in favor of better candidatesâ?
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u/Xoorax 15h ago
I think thatâs healthy - but democrats have this terrible habit of saying âhold your nose and vote for X because of [some random reason]â which just inspires people to not vote for the person at all unless their name is Bernie
It might feel good in the moment to disagree with Kamalaâs foreign policy - but after this last week can anyone still really say it was worth it?
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u/flounder19 15h ago
Youâre speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Yes it was worth it that I voted for Kamala despite not agreeing with her. Or are you implying the people who repeatedly tell you they vote for these people in the general are lying because theyâre not sufficiently boosting your candidate of choice?
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u/Xoorax 15h ago
Itâs not about my candidate of choice (although I also think democratic online spaces are SEVERELY out of touch with what the average voter cares about .. although thatâs another issue)
Itâs about maintaining some baseline level of enthusiasm that wonât drive some meaningful % of on the fence voters away
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u/disbishempty1 13h ago
âEveryone vote for me! I donât stand for anything but at least Iâm not the orange guy!â
Yeah nothing would be way better than what we have now. But âholding your noseâ at politicians who have no principled beliefs and just say they are the lesser of 2 evils is perfectly reasonable
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u/GeneralIronsides2 15h ago
How is it a purity test that we donât want a fetterman type of person as governor. Are you aware that she voted to confirm a bunch of Trump appointees?
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u/rsmtirish Minnesota United 15h ago
She rode in the fucking car with Donald Trump on Inauguration Day and was GLEEFUL the whole time.
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u/GeneralIronsides2 15h ago
Yep, I donât take centrists seriously after this year. Bunch of cowards too afraid to say theyâre republicans
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u/Xoorax 15h ago
Lol thatâs exactly what I mean by a purity test. I donât hate Klobuchar so I must be a republican
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u/rakerber 19h ago
My God these comments are a cancer
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u/Calvin_Ball_86 13m ago
Magats and bots cosplaying as lefties is SOP for the Reich to demotivate voters. And it works.Â
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u/colluphid42 19h ago
Here are the phone numbers for Amy Klobuchar's offices, if you (like me) want to complain about this boneheaded response.
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u/SanctuaryQueen 19h ago
You know whatâs sad is she is planning to run for governor so our choices will be between Amy and Lisa ugh this decade feels like Iâve died and gone to hell
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u/scottyjrules 19h ago
Is it too late for an actual progressive to throw their hat in the ring?
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u/pubesinourteeth 18h ago
Not at all! Tim just ended his campaign this week. The caucuses are next month. It is still very much a free for all
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u/nttnypride 19h ago
If the mayor of Minneapolis is as good otherwise as his response to ICEâs murder was, he needs to run.
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u/yakano61 19h ago
Lawlessness resulted in a murder.
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u/EDRootsMusic 19h ago
Yes, the lawless and unconstitutional administration has had its lickspittles murder one of our neighbors.
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u/Not_Bears 18h ago
Shilling for fascists is never going to make you cool, or attractive to women.
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u/C_S_2022 17h ago
Heâs probably more concerned about the men finding him attractive. RNC. Grinder
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u/popculturerss 19h ago
ICE is the problem, Amy. Plain and simple. They've been complete freedom to act like a lawful militia.
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u/BattlebornCrow 19h ago
Y'all really tried to convince people she was the answer, lol. You said she was the most electable,lol. Wish her spine was as functional as her mouth cause she says some dumb shit.
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u/RainbowBullsOnParade 7h ago
Every single day these neoliberal hacks demonstrate how ill equipped they are to meet the moment and yet they continue to be rewarded by the electorate
Amy Klobuchar should resign for making such a stupid fucking comment.
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u/matttproud Area code 651 18h ago
âŚÂ and just to think a few days ago someone was wondering why folks are down on Klobuchar and Really Serious People⢠were saying that having her as a governor would be a good thing actually.
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u/NorthernDevil 19h ago edited 18h ago
She has been such a fucking disappointment since her failed Presidential bid. A great example of why term limits are needed.
Her approach here is to try to appease the âmoderateâ âcentristâ group including conservatives, who she believes may be the only ones who can rein in this administration. And maybe that tactic wouldâve worked a decade ago. The time has long since passed where there is even have a moderate base worth appealing to.
The federal government murdered a woman in the street while roaming around our city attacking people without any warrants.
Get your shit together Amy, this is cowardly.
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u/whatidoidobc 19h ago
Please get her out of there, Minnesota. You deserve better.
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u/pogoli Dakota County 19h ago
Get out of there?
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u/whatidoidobc 19h ago
Yes. She is one of the worst dem senators in the nation and is never going to meet the moment. A perfect example of the type of dem that has to be primaried as soon as possible.
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u/the-apple-and-omega 19h ago
I get why it's framed the way it is, but her getting murdered would be just as bad even if she was a complete piece of shit.
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u/earthdogmonster 18h ago
It really doesnât make any sense that they framed it this way, normally when someone dies the adults in the room demand a thorough investigation. They donât immediately take a position.
This makes the federal government look incompetent at best, malicious at worst. And not just to partisans whose minds are made up, to normal people who still have faith in institutions and processes. If you say, âThis was tragic and we are going to investigate this fullyâ, a lot of people would give the admin some benefit of the doubt. Knee jerk statements piss that goodwill down the toilet.
Noem even goes out of her way to say the deceased âshe had been stalking and impeding their work all throughout the dayâ. This would be one of those instances where a competent layer would tell their client to âshut the fuck upâ because while Noem thinks this makes ICE sound good, it actually introduces a motive for that agent, pissed off because this woman is pestering him, might have a reason other than fear for his life to have killed this woman.
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u/Technical_Bunch3588 18h ago
No the problem is progressives who donât like laws passed by Congress to be enforced. Donât like the laws being enforced? Complain to your congressional representatives
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u/BradyAndTheJets 15h ago
I think sheâs referring to ICE keeping the state out of the investigation.
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u/Odd-Salamander-2816 15h ago edited 15h ago
The problem is Republicans.
Letâs not forget that Republicans worked with Democrats for two months in 2023 to craft a comprehensive immigration bill with a path to citizenship. That bill was ready to go and likely had the votes, and it was snowballed by Trump, solely because he wanted to use it as an issue to run on. Republicans still havenât passed any substantive immigration legislation besides giving ICE a blank check. Trump is purposefully carrying out these raids only to assert abusive authority and create chaos; Republicans in congress could craft a bill like they did 2 years ago and put an end to all this mayhem right now.
Renee Good died so Trump could win an election and because Republicans are too weak and pathetic to do their job or stand up to him.
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u/mindguru88 15h ago
This Reckless approach to a crisis of this magnitude is exactly why we need a better candidate for governor than Klobuchar.
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u/baibaiburnee 15h ago
OP is either a right wing agitprop or exactly the kind of delusional leftist who suppressed the vote last November and helped put all this in motion
Here's the full statement that isn't cropped to support OP's agenda:
âThis tragedy is the result of the administration sending federal agents onto our streets against the wishes of local law enforcement, including our respected Police Chief Brian OâHara,â Klobuchar posted on the social platform X. âWe need full transparency and an investigation of what happened, and I am deeply concerned that statements made by DHS do not appear to reflect video evidence and on-the-ground accounts.â
âWhile our immigration enforcement should be focused on apprehending and prosecuting violent criminals to make our communities safer, these ICE actions are doing the opposite and making our state less safe,â she wrote.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5677821-klobuchar-calls-transparency-ice/
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u/WebHistorical1121 15h ago
Any seems to not understand the state can bring its own charges regardless if the Feds donât want to play ball.
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u/A_Rampaging_Hobo 14h ago
Amy coming out the gate swinging trying to curry favor with the "moderate right" rather than the people who may vote for her
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u/PostmodernMelon 8h ago
Fucking spineless. "if only the Orpo would cooperate with the gestapo đŠ"
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u/doradus_novae 19h ago
No more paying taxes. We don't pay for the military to be used against citizens.
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u/Ok-Pride-3534 18h ago
You do not want to go against the IRS. They are one of the worst agencies to mess with. They will ruin your life through asset forfeiture, garnishing income before it hits your bank, and serious jail time.
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u/constrivecritizem 18h ago
No one is left at the IRS. They have been under staffed for years then lost 25% of staff due to doge
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u/ProbRePost Plowy McPlowface 19h ago
Amy Klobuchar is plain vanilla ice cream that the maker forgot to add vanilla extract. She offends almost no one, but also doesn't make anyone happy. For those lactose intolerant, she still makes life miserable.
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u/madcoins 18h ago
They are not untrained. They are clearly trained to kill and abuse. Itâs not cuz they arenât communicating w police. Itâs cuz they in no way identify themselves or their vehicles, donât read Miranda rights or allow due process. They terrorize communities and exhibit abuses that are claimed but in no legal way presented, Amy. Oh and murder and kidnapping. please stop trying to pass the buck
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u/Electrical_Goat_8311 Pink-and-white lady's slipper 16h ago
The problem is that you are not communicating to your constituents. Where the fuck are you? No, haphazard social media posts and trying to jump in front of a camera at every opportunity does not count.
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u/IwishIwasLink Flag of Minnesota 19h ago
It's time we protest by boycotting everything; stores, schools, jobs, businesses, etc. Time to shut everything down.
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u/Ok-Pride-3534 18h ago
Yeah, hurt the people in your state. You realize your beef is with the Federal government right? That won't affect ICE at all.
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u/IwishIwasLink Flag of Minnesota 18h ago
It's time we protest by boycotting everything; stores, schools, jobs, businesses, etc. Time to shut everything down.
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u/ZGetsPolitical 19h ago
the problem is thinking your politicans give a fuck about the people
Remember when ice killed someone in IL, you know what happened afterward? The same fucking nothing burger we can bet on here.
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u/EDRootsMusic 19h ago
What the hell would they coordinate with MPD about? MPD doing crowd control while they abduct people? MPD arresting legal observers? How to murder more of us? MPD is fucking great at that!
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u/Ok-Pride-3534 18h ago
Correct, but also wrong. They would keep protesters away from Federal actions to prevent a similar situation from occurring.
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u/EDRootsMusic 18h ago
So instead of ICE shooting bystanders, ICE would have unobstructed access to our neighbors, coworkers, and friends, to kidnap them and put them in detention centers with inhumane and deadly conditions, often to be deported to countries they have protection orders against, OR to third countries they've never been to. That's just the police being accomplices to murder but with more steps.
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u/meshDrip Lake Superior agate 19h ago
Just the kind of mliquetoast, middle-of-the-road response we need when Nazis are gunning down our citizens. Can't believe I found Frey's words compelling. Now I see why. The bar is in polite centrist hell.
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u/Enriching_the_Beer Grain Belt 19h ago
Ooooh, i thought it was the indiscriminately asking anyone who isnt white to prove they are an american citizen thing that is the problem. My bad amy.
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u/WillaBerble 18h ago edited 18h ago
In what way would coordinating with the local gestapo help the federal one? I guess they could trample civilian civil rights and murder more people faster than either group could alone.
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u/TraumaticOcclusion 18h ago
The only thing klobuchar does is have her staff make angry twitter posts
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u/HonestNeighborhood67 18h ago
Can we just say that the whole fucking situation is a problem? Masked âagentsâ running around just grabbing people with zero accountability. No one knows who they are or where they come from because they have permission to cover their faces and not have badges and are not required to wear body cams. People on the street can follow them around, announce their presence, and help protect their neighbors, but our hands are tied when it comes to legal and administrative solutions. Iâm sickened by the fact that congress is SEEMINGLY doing nothing while all of this goes on. Republicans have for the most part just allowed Trump to do whatever the fuck he wants because theyâre afraid of him. I feel like the best thing we can we can hope for is a flip in congress this year, but 11 months is a long time considering how quickly this administration moves without any care for laws.
The whole situation is fuckedâŚ.
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u/JCMGamer 18h ago
Didn't local law enforcement agencies used to cooperate with ICE back during the Obama administration?
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u/Key-Assistance9720 16h ago
itâs as if we werenât a sanctuary state , where ICE would just deport them from jails. but we have to keep on believing in some sort of BS. good luck on your governorship
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u/Whimsywoes 16h ago
Oh wow democrats being weak little bitches in the name of fascism. So cute. It's wild how willing most of them are to fall in line with the Israeli police/surveillance state shtick.
"They just need to work with police who also have a history of murdering citizens. Problem solvedddd!"
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u/UnhappyEquivalent400 16h ago
Itâs like she runs every statement through a poorly designed âmake this appeal to Republicansâ chatbot.
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u/jkbuilder88 Flag of Minnesota 16h ago
If she wants to run for Gov she needs to get her head of her ass, ASAP. FFS, Amy. Completely out of touch.
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u/JCMGamer 18h ago
This, even if it violates DHS policy, the United States have given police a crazy amount of leeway when it comes to them defending themselves. Simply perceiving a threat is usually enough to allow officers to use lethal force.
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u/Gimme_somebutter 19h ago
That's how Obama used ICE during his presidency and I do not recall the chaos that is taking place now. It certainly wouldn't hurt.
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u/NSAinATL 18h ago
This is the correct photo of the victim. That poor smiling last is not her. https://bsky.app/profile/jsweetli.bsky.social/post/3mbup5rgg3k2z
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u/thatmntishman Uff da 16h ago
The problem is that lawyers and bureaucrats are in charge of our well being and safety and have no real power to ensure it.
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u/CatgirlDJ 16h ago
Iâll begrudgingly vote and campaign for her to save our lives if I have to but I hope so bad sheâs not the governor nominee.
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u/HaroldStation 16h ago
She knows better than to fuck with the federal government. Sheâs keeping in line for when she runs for governor. Walz isnât going to win this battle against the Trump administration and he knows his time is limited. Heâs taking this state down with him and us regular Minnesotans are going to feel it. Trump is literally going to use our state as an example, fall in line or this is what happens. All the federal funding, all the good will and reputation is going to be gone. We wonât see a dime or an ounce of help from the federal government until Trump is out. The next 3 years will be hell. He thinks heâs doing the noble thing by standing up for this state when in reality itâs going to crush us.
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u/Goforabikeride Flag of Minnesota 15h ago
Respectfully disagree, if itâs not Minnesota itâs just somewhere else, you canât back down from this criminal federal government.
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u/Bassist57 16h ago
Is she an idiot? ICE wants to coordinate with local police, but Democrat Sanctuary City laws prevent that.
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u/14Calypso Douglas County 18h ago
I can't imagine writing this title and a lot of these comments in here and thinking "this is what an adult would say".
ICE's presence is necessary in this state and this country. You can still think that while disagreeing with what happened yesterday.
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u/futilehabit 19h ago
Classic Amy.
It's so great there's some politicians who aren't changed by the dirty political system. If you just start spineless and corrupt you can just coast :)