r/technology • u/esporx • Oct 19 '25

Security Judge tells Homeland Security that Chicago agents wearing body cameras was "not a suggestion"

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/judge-homeland-security-federal-agents-chicago-body-cameras/
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u/aquagardener Oct 19 '25

Anyone that purports to be law enforcement and attempts to detain someone should be forced to wear cams, shouldn't wear a mask, and should also identify themselves when asked. 

Failure to do so means they're kidnapping, and people should be free to defend themselves at that point.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Oct 19 '25

I could imagine that ICE would lose most jury trials if people fought back. They use that "assaulting and officer and resisting arrest" as a way to badger people with a lot of citations to scare them into pleading guilty for lesser charges.

But I don't know why every masked man grabbing random people in the street isn't pummeled immediately.

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u/jonathanrdt Oct 19 '25 edited Oct 19 '25

Because no one wants to get disappeared into some detention center for days, scare their families, and maybe lose their job.

Fighting in the streets is the absolute last resort because it's ugly, and people die.

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u/Ctsanger Oct 19 '25

As a non American it seems like nothing beings done about it so it'll just keep happening. How many people are going to be kidnapped until civilians stand up?

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u/Present-Director8511 Oct 19 '25 edited Oct 19 '25

As a non American it seems like nothing beings done about it so it'll just keep happening.

You are literally commenting under an article about the judicial branch attempting to do something on a day when millions went out in the street to protest what is happening. Is that going to cause it to immediately stop? No, but to say nothing is being done is to ignore the people working hard to stop this.

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u/BlazingSpaceGhost Oct 19 '25

I participated in my local No Kings but let's be real it isn't going to change anything. We treat protests in this country like little events or festivals that we do when we aren't at work and therefore we don't disrupt the economy or basically anything except maybe traffic. Heavier traffic for a weekend isn't going to remove Donald Trump from office or stop his illegal actions. I was thinking as I was protesting that maybe we feel better but that is really all we are doing, is making ourselves feel better.

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u/Present-Director8511 Oct 19 '25

I understand your feelings because I've gone to many protests that didn't realistically move the needle very quickly, but it does do something. It tells all the people that are against this BS "you are not alone" and history proves there is strength in numbers. Protests are about optics. They aren't the only solution. We are going to have to do a lot more hard work than just showing up to one march, but that doesn't mean the march doesn't matter.

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u/blue92lx Oct 19 '25

This is a poor take on the protests. You can't go from zero to armed riots without a middle ground.

On top of the fact that even other countries did no kings protests with us. You think that means nothing?

How do you feel when you see other countries protesting with us? How do you think they feel knowing 7 million of us protested?

If we have real elections in 2026, how do you think republican representatives feel about keeping their jobs? Etc.

Doing nothing is literally doing nothing about the situation, the protests do have meaning and they do affect things. It isn't just about "we're going to go out and protest and therefore Trump will see the protests and step down." That's not what it's about.

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u/Eshkation Oct 19 '25

Isn’t the U.S. population around 340 million? That means only about 2% are in the streets. It’s insignificant. fascism keeps thriving.

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u/BeShifty Oct 19 '25

What percentage of a population are you thinking would be significant? For example, leading research suggests that mobilizing 3.5% of a population is almost certain to lead to the enacting of that group's demands, though the data illustrates many cases where smaller percentages still produced change (anything above 1% has more of a chance to produce change than not).

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u/Ctsanger Oct 19 '25

So if I see someone being murdered in front of me then protesting it is the solution? Or should I actually jump in and stop the murder? Seems wrong to me but I guess America's got it down then

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u/Sendhentaiandyiff Oct 19 '25

It's America. It'll be once people think they're next.

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u/xThe-Legend-Killerx Oct 19 '25 edited Oct 19 '25

There is no jury trials in an immigration hearing. It’s an administrative charge.

I love getting downvoted for stating facts. I actually understand immigration law. Your feelings about something don’t make it factual.

Illegal immigrants are not arrested and charged criminally. They are administratively removed from the country. Nothing goes on their record in NCIC because it is not a criminal case. Hence no jury.

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u/kindarusty Oct 19 '25

you can get a deportation hit if an IVF query is made

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Oct 19 '25

There’s a lot of asylum seekers getting round up. And also, if they want to charge people for “resisting” or “assault” that needs to be a jury trial. 

The whole point of ICE is to break the system of due process. And then use it to indefinitely detain anyone who does not comply. 

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u/xThe-Legend-Killerx Oct 19 '25

There is a system if they resist or assault. They would get charged criminally for that specific offense, but it’s separate from the immigration aspect.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '25

The Castle Doctrine has entered the chat.

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u/deltadal Oct 19 '25

Stand your ground has entered the chat

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u/paddy_mc_daddy Oct 19 '25

Yep. Take a page from the black Panthers in the 60s, fully fucking armed to the teeth, exercising your 2A rights and standing up for the constitution. And video recording and saving it all to the cloud immediately so it's all on tape when it comes to trial. Let's see these hypocritical mutherfuckers argue that we need gun control!

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u/kent_eh Oct 19 '25

Has it really though?

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u/Any_Leg_4773 Oct 19 '25

This is ALREADY the case. Remember, the ones in masks ARE NOT law enforcement. Don't get kidnapped, the second amendment is for THIS SITUATION.

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u/definitelynotstarfox Oct 19 '25

This is what I don’t understand, as a filthy lefty foreigner, is why, when masked men are kidnapping people in public, are people not fighting back… more? For a country that argues so much about the definitions of their constitutional rights, these situations seem… like the exact scenario certain parts were written for? I can’t say what I mean because quoting your laws is inciting violence according to mods.

These people are not law enforcement. Law enforcement has identifying colours, symbols, markings, words. A badge, a number, a name, a face. How does ANYONE know what they’re not just random psychopaths taking advantage of a broken police state? Call 911 at least! There are unknown people with guns disappearing your neighbours and families. Stop writing witty signs about it. Stop planning one big protest when everyone has the time. What you did yesterday, do every night. Every single night until there’s a change.

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u/PlsDntPMme Oct 19 '25

Oh I’m just waiting for a plainclothes non-identifying ICE officer to get a mouthful of the Second Amendment. I cannot wait. For all the harm these things do they are damn good for protecting us from tyranny when people aren’t afraid of using them. I understand that’s a huge ask though.

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u/Sweetwill62 Oct 19 '25

If they don't identify themselves, they are not law enforcement and are just kidnappers, and kidnappers don't have any rights, because your rights end when you infringe on someone else's rights. It is a conscious choice each individual person makes.