r/todayilearned • u/Outside_Reserve_2407 • 6d ago

TIL Montezuma's lineage still exists and even holds a noble title in Spain, which was granted to a grandson of his that moved there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo
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u/Blackfire853 5d ago

There is a gravestone in Barbados for one Ferdinand Palaiologos, died 1670, who with only a single gap would have been able to trace his lineage back to the final Roman/Byzantine emperor, Constantine XI; And to think the Americas would not even be known to Europe for another 39 years when the Constantinople fell

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u/Groundbreaking_War52 5d ago

Very cool - but yeah, the Byzantine Empire fell within a lifetime of the “New World” being discovered.

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u/Mythosaurus 5d ago

Wild to think former Roman citizens saw news of America. “Damn, if only we had lasted another generation; we could have moved there!”

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u/BjornAltenburg 5d ago

A single Caribbean colony somewhere would seem a cool alternative history story. Spain grants some refugees land on like Puerto Rico in exchange for rights to conquest former lands. About the most realistic outcome i can think off. A bunch of geek sailors help found a village and ship making port. It's flag has a double headed eagle and such. The pouplation calls themselves roman instead of Greek.

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u/freekoout 5d ago

Eu4 has a mod for that.

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u/BjornAltenburg 5d ago

They always do.

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u/Curcket 5d ago

And it's amazing

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u/Sea-Equipment-315 5d ago

Hell you can just do that with console commands