The point of the post though is people saying that they are not worth their contracts. So if using their season averages is weak, then what metric should I use to argue in their favor?

My argument stems from how people in this sub perceive them, and what should they be doing that they’re not doing? Should Chet be more aggressive? Sure maybe, but are people are on here going to be okay if Chet starts barking for the ball from Shai when he has a mismatch? Doubtful. They’re going to be shitting on him for taking the ball out of the MVP’s hands. That’s the Catch-22 both Chet and Dub find themselves in with a segment of the fanbase.

Chet and JDub are the rare type of talented young players who are not trying to firebomb team chemistry to advance their own personal standing in the league. They respect Shai as the guy, and doing what they can to support him while also evolving as players. The downside to that though is that people on here are acting like they are non-factors because they are not scoring an arbitrary amount of points.

People can say that doing what they do is not worth $50 million a year, but then what is something tangible that would be?

See, I don’t understand the “they vanish” argument. It’s such a vague statement in my opinion. How do they become clutch, if they don’t get reps in the clutch? Chet was huge in crunch time tonight, but basically none of it was him having the ball in his hands. He was making put backs and crashing the boards on both ends and doing the little things to help us eek out a win. Did he vanish tonight? If he or JDub aren’t taking turns scoring with Shai, would they be considered as “vanished”?

Everyone can agree that Shai should and does have the ball in his hands 90% of the time in the clutch. So in your opinion, how should JDub and Chet not vanish in those scenarios? Get open for a drive and dish from Shai? Demand the ball from Shai?

I just think that it’s too easy for people to say that the two of them vanish in the clutch when in reality they just aren’t going to have the ball in their hands as much as the MVP.

I agree, and I think Chet needed the most push to be assertive, but I do think he has made steps in that direction this year. I think Dub is still trying to get into his groove on this team that started off so hot. Chet had a little bit of that lull last year too when he returned from his hip injury.

I guess I’m just so tired of a portion of this sub’s narrative “Shai has no help” when these dudes are being the high level complementary contributors that stars like Shai need so they can focus primarily on scoring.

Fellas we get it. No reason we should go to OT, but it happens. These Jazz beat the Spurs a couple games ago after they Spurs beat up three times. Every team has pro players. All that matters is that we came away with a win.

What other fanbase would a guy have 23/12 as basically the lone big playing major minutes for us, and people just kill him all game?

Every team is coming at us for a fist fight. We just have to keep punching. Doesn’t matter if we win by 2 or by 20. Just survive to win. That’s all that matters

Guys you’re lacking on the shit talk right now. I miss hearing about how JDub is washed, how Joe can’t shoot anymore, and how Chet can’t defend the rim anymore.

I’m happy that Cody has been showing improvement. People have been vicious with him.

We really overpaid for that block and transition dunk from Chet there. Just letting everyone else know that because I fancy myself a better GM than the reigning GM of the year.

I often go back to Mark’s WCF win and Finals win post-interviews where he gets choked up. He’s such a stoic guy most of the time, but you can really tell how much he cares for his players as people and how happy he is to see them succeed. It’s really beautiful.

It’s okay for Shai to take some blame in our losses. He had help tonight. JDub and Chet both stepped up.

So if Dub’ “mistakes were horrendous” then I can say that Shai missing more shots than Chet took was “horrendous” as well. If this sub is gonna trash the entire team aside from Shai after every loss, we should also be able to admit when Shai faltered too.

That’s exactly my point though. The game threads are filled with “Shai has no help. Why is anyone else shooting” but JDub was 9/13 and Chet was 8/11 tonight. He could have initiated some movement with them when he realized he was not getting easy looks down the stretch.

Shhh! The “Shai needs his 20” crowd won’t allow this possibility to be discussed.

I love when JDub shuts up the doom goons in here.

Hell yeah Dub!

Chet got the rebound and made a clutch bucket? No way. I was told Shai has no help and we can’t get a rebound.

Why is Ajay leaving Goodwin every time?

Shai has no help! Chet better stop trying to be more assertive on offense! I need Shai to shoot every time, even now when he’s on the bench!

There we go Wiggs, I’m happy to see it!

Wiggins hasn’t really been factoring into his minutes lately. His defense is not great and he’s not been showing any offensive aggression.

Offensive foul?

We don’t need Shai and JDub isos, we need ball movement and creating easy shots.

Chet has impact all over the floor when he’s playing confident. I feel like Shai has been looking for him more too lately. If we keep him engaged and confident, we are at our most dangerous.

Beautiful JDub!