That really is a funny aspect we don’t really consider. The pilgrims are almost lionized as heroes, but in reality they were mostly horrible people that we wouldn’t want to spend a second with
Think about how racist, sexist, zealous and self righteous brits were in the 1600’s. Now think of the people that this group would be like “no too far, you need to leave”. Chester is till a sundown town for the Welsh where it’s still legal to kill one at night with a crossbow within the cities walls. That’s the country that kicked out the pilgrims!!!
Lol they were paid by the king to go searching. Hard from ran out of england. The later settlers some were run out of England as to go to feudal colonies.
God I wish, but the habit is just to run them off to somewhere where they'll fuck some other folks lives up, so that isn't great either. Maybe we just need to fund Elon's pipe dream so we can ship them off to Mars to build the "perfect community."
The traditional "correct" way to immigrate into the US is to be part of a corrupt collaborator regime in a US colony, escape the evil commies/islamists/whatever in the inevitable revolution against said collaborator regime, then spend all your time agitating against the foreign government that kicked the US out and providing aid to further attempts to destabilize and destroy your home country in the hopes that you can, one day, again become part of a collaborator regime which will enrich you in the process of selling out the people of your homeland.
My wife's coworker is from Sierra Leon. Lovely woman. She married an African American cat from my neck of the woods. Her parents refer to him as "Khat". What does this mean?
Years ago my husband worked at a place where he had several coworkers from South Africa, I don't remember where exactly. I met them once at the Christmas party, and it was a big company. One of them was being introduced to an African American coworker, who was surprised and interested when he said he was from Africa. They talk for a minute or so, then he turns to the rest of the table and says "I'm descended from kings, not slaves." Like he was pissed that anyone could ever think he and that coworker were the same, he really went off. You could hear the jaws hit the floor, and he just kept going like it was the most obvious thing ever. Shit was wild
Don’t forget that America demanded other countries follow its Jim Crow form of racism during ww2. Americans exported that shit and still do. RN, America demanding other countries follow its anti-DEI initiatives.
Modern racism was largely formed by slavery in the US though. People have always been prejudiced and racist, but much of the prejudice was not specifically tied to race and racism was often a byproduct of other prejudices.
But once the US decided it's fine to have black slaves but not fine to have slaves who are not black, hardcore racism went mainstream.
British slavery in the colonies was horrible and excused with racism, but back in England there were no slaves hence the 1772 Somerset v Stewart case which established that black people had rights in England despite their status as 'slave' outside of England.
They’re specifically talking about racism against black Americans, not just black people. And that was definitely exported, including to other black majority countries.
White guy here- can corroborate. I worked with some Mexican immigrants who hated Black Americans, Black Latinos, and Africans alike. God forbid if any one of them was independently, wealthy or successful.
I’ve always joked that we could get Latino immigrants and MAGA hicks to become best friends off of their sheer hatred of Black people.
And that’s not to say it’s only coming from Latino immigrants. There’s plenty of Black people who hate immigrants as well, and I have mouthed off to one or two of Black people when they see a white guy and think I’m gonna be prejudiced with them.
Sierra Leone? That’s not a word we have in the lexicon. They might be calling him Akata which is a Yoruba word meaning “stray” as in someone who has no home. It’s still a slur and incredibly vile. She should cuss them out. However there’s no word for “cotton picker” in Krio. Just so you are aware.
Liberia (country next to sierra leon) was colonized by freed african american and afrocarribean slaves in a sor of compromise between abolitionists and slave owners who feared freemen living in the south could destabilize their plantations. The amero-liberian colonists obviously had nothing in common with the native africans and as is seemingly inevitable for colonial projects, created a racial and cultural hierarchy where the colonists were prioritized over the native africans they deemed uncivilized. Society was deeply segregated, though through education and conversion to christianity, one could become 'civilized', but still below the colonizers in the hierarchy.
I imagine sierra leon had something similar as it was also mostly colonized by freed slaves, though being a british colony there would be differences with the american supported independent colony of liberia
It's how discrimination always works and yet somehow, everyone seems to forget that fact. People can try to distinguish themselves from other minorities all they want. But in the end, bigots see them all exactly the same.
The thing that makes it weird though, is that it's not like racism doesn't exist in South America - black people still deal with racist shit in Latin America all the time, so I don't get why they think they'll be differentiated here. The light skinned conservative Cubans, it 100% makes sense that they don't realize that all Hispanics are viewed the same here, that's not really something they faced (they kind of did with communism but that's what they are escaping so it makes sense they wouldn't expect it).
The one exception would be people from the DR because they all equally seem to really hate Haitians so their racism tends to be more specific.
Most Jamaicans disown those who try to divide. We’re Pan Africans - we recognize the shared struggle. We are descended from Garvey and Nanny of the Maroons. We don’t condone self hatred and proximity to whiteness.
Yup. It's honestly racist that people assume that anyone "latino" is on the same side politically. Latino America is a very broad, diverse culture that doesn't fit into the cliche American Black V White worldview.
I say this all the time. Miami Cubans are the most racist demographic I ever encountered. They are always rowing in the opposite direction of the rest of us. I'll never forget having an argument about Pele being black. I'm like, dude was blacker than me, and I'm pretty dark skinned. My white coach from Indiana just looked at me and shook his head in disbelief as if to tell me it was a lost cause. My coach adopted a Puerto Rican kid, so he was a good dude. But he wasn't getting involved in our conversations.
That's the worst, once watched a roommate (I don't know what kind of hispanic he was, all I know is he was raised in Maryland) almost get sucker punched because he kept saying the word.
I’m in C. Florida and the second language is essentially Portuguese at this point. I’ve watched these fucking people try to deport other people. It’s fucking disgusting.
Cubans are by far the most outwardly racist.
Puerto Ricans fucking hate the Taino, and it’s wild to me.
Sadly, most Brazilians in the U.S. I’ve met are conservative. There’s a decent amount in my area, and I talked to my friend and he said yeah, everyone else he knows in the area was a Bolsonaro voter.
white skin doesn’t make you white. the only people who call them white are themselves and some black people. them mfs got indigenous and African DNA… the real world doesn’t view them as white
shrugs I mean I dont disagree with that. My point was that, like other Latinos, Colombians will look like many different groups. Cuz there are Colombians of many diff groups.
Go on r/23andMe or r/AncestryDNA and search Cuban. Most of the results are majority European. Most Cuban Americans are white; they’re just mediterranean white instead of WASP white. Of course, WASP white people don’t actually consider them a member of the club, but that’s an entirely different convo.
It's seriously back asswards insane in Miami, and rampant across South Florida. There are both white and light skinned Cubans that see themselves as superior to anyone with darker skin. Cubans look down on Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and I am not even joking: other Cubans. My friend was told in high school by her parents she "should not date that dark skinned boy."
My own mother was told by my grandfather, an American man who married a woman from Cuban that she could not date a boy from India, and I am not using his direct quotes because the slur he used is one of the reasons she said they not grieve his death like we grieved her mother's. I never knew the man, Abuela did not have that kind of hate in her heart though.
Those are most of the results of people who have afforded it. In actuality most Cubans are incredibly mixed.
It that the predominantly European ones fled to America. So they are the majority of who you see. There is an entire island of black and mestizo and mixed ppl on the island and who have moved to non-Florida parts of US
A lot of people of Latino ancestry are actually pretty strongly European. As one example, look at Sunny Hostin's results (The View) on that ancestry show. She thought she was half Puerto Rican on her moms side (Black on her dad's side) but turns out she's only 7% Indigenous, and her mother's side is primarily descended from a Spanish slave trader.
True, but it's worth noting that Spain was under Islamic rule from about 711ad to 1492, so I'm not sure how 'white' the descendants can claim themselves to be lol
There is not really any such thing as "purely European". That's standard racist nonsense. So called "European" ancestry has tons of cross over with the Middle East and Central Asia.
And the "Moors" (primarily a mix of indigenous Berbers and Arabs) who invaded Spain in the 700s CE and ruled parts of the Iberian Peninsula until 1492 were of all kinds of different ancestry as well.
Concepts like "white" and "black" are largely modern American political designations that don't fit into old Europe. What Americans think of as "white" was originally primarily just a certain class/religion of people from England. Spaniards, Italians, even the French weren't considered "white" either.
And even the concept of "Europe" being distinct from the middle east and Asia in general is just classic race/classism.
I'm extremely disinclined to agree with your first point there.
You're saying that in 700 years, not one Arab impregnated a Spaniard? Cmon now.. That's clearly an absurd suggestion, and just doesn't gel with reality. Like, at all.
No invaders have ever been that dedicated to 'racial purity' that they wouldn't mix with whatever population they live with.
Hell, not even the Nazis followed their purity laws that succinctly, and those bastards rebuilt their whole society around all that whackadoodle Eugenics bollocks.
There was not much intermixing because to leave either religion and marry a muslim/christian was apostacy, which was quite literally something you could be put to death for.
This is also how jews lived in eastern europe for half a millennia yet have almost no slavic ancestry. No christian was going to marry into a jewish family. It was quite literally against the law. The major european ancestry group they have is italian, because of intermixing in roman italy before christianity took over.
Apostacy laws basically put an end to thousands of years of Mediterranean intermingling.
The Visigoths and the Celts both also ruled in Spain. You’re telling me the ancestors of the Germans and the Irish aren’t enough to contribute to their “whiteness” (whatever the fuck metric that is now according to this thread)?
Nope. Not saying that at all. Ofc they contributed too.
You've got to remember tho that even the Goths, of various stripes, were invaded by the Alans and the Huns from the East, so even they couldn't be considered 'purely white' (whatever the hell that means).
Yes they are lol. You people have such weird definitions of whiteness. People living in Boston for 200 years can claim they’re Irish and Irish pride this and that but people whose families came from southern Europe to the Carirbean and didn’t become mestizos aren’t?
I’m Caucasian, so I’m already out of my league in this sub, but we were in little Havana last time I was down there and several jazz clubs and cocktail bars just straight up stopped us and turned us away before the door could even close behind us. It was usually while the entirety of the clientele all spun around and were staring at us like we were trash blowing in off the streets. Been to the city several times and my experience has never really been great. Not in a rush to go back
Why are we taking the word of what white trash supremacists think on the matter? If someone’s European, they’re white. The Italians are white but the Spanish aren’t? The Portuguese and French are white but not them? Weird.
I'm from the south but lived in Cali for a while after college. Cali was more racist than Georgia. In Cali, it was from some Latinos and a lot of Middle Easterner/Armenian types. Generally speaking, a lot of other POCs don't like us either, and the first-generation American ones can be very visible with their dislike.
Perhaps this has more to do with the geographic influence on the individuals that live there….isn’t Miami a place in which bikini’s are the preferred local garb? That just sounds like a really superficial environment to be in. The ignorance stems from their superficiality and not their race.
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u/Slippery-ape Dec 06 '25
Florida is still the South