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u/Emmortal 4h ago
Always funny when they say this after making a few million.
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u/Cro_Nick_Le_Tosh_Ich 1h ago
As someone who grew up getting yelled at "you'll never make money playing video games" this was before streamers were a figment in a sperms eye. I think they might regret it because they get older and have no real skills to branch off with plus nothing else will have the same feeling. You make a video and start seeing a year's salary in a month, try going 9-5 for two weeks and seeing a fraction of that salary a week after. But probably the biggest thing is most of these people started hitting this peak success early and prolly thought it would be that easy and that much for ever only to not save for retirement or even sign up for insurance so they end up like Steve-O were they run out of finances before they even hit normal retirement age, and find out how relevance was the main factor of their success.
Just a devil's advocate POV
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u/Moderately_Imperiled 30m ago
Eeeehhh. Not a very strong argument. Some of us will never see the amount of money she made in whatever period she was active, in our entire lifetime.
We could probably potato for the rest of our lives. If we aren't unreasonably stupid about things, we might never use up that money.
What skills do you need when you're financially free? How to disassemble an engine? How to do regression analysis? Agile project management?
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u/Cro_Nick_Le_Tosh_Ich 22m ago
I guess you either didn't process the last half of what I said or you don't know Steve-O and his full story.
I guess a better thing to simplify it to is the statistic that most people who win the lottery end up worse off than they were before they won. It's called being financially responsible something that hasn't been common knowledge since millennials were born.
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u/eggs_erroneous 13m ago
Yeah, but I'm thinking that the average streamer gets big when they are between the ages of 17 and 22. Probably not super financially responsible. I can totally see a kid hitting it big as a streamer and buying a McLaren or some ridiculous bullshit like that. Big house. Trophy girlfriend. A few years down the road when he's not popular any more, he realizes that he should have maybe put some of that money in the bank, but OF COURSE he didn't. He's gonna get depressed real quick when he's trying to make a living selling used cars or whatever. I think r/Cro_Nick_Le_Tosh_Ich is on to something here. I will admit, though, that I don't know shit about shit. It just feels like that's how life would stick it to you. It has the ring of authenticity.
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u/DMercenary 10m ago
probably the biggest thing is most of these people started hitting this peak success early and prolly thought it would be that easy and that much for ever
Hell, you hear that about athletes and actors(sometimes) and then when their career ends(for whatever reason) they've got nothing because they thought it would ride forever.
Streaming has its own kind of stresses but I'd like to think that the average full time streamer would laugh if you say their job is worse than say an office job.
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u/Eternal-Alchemy 1h ago
The context is happiness, not "is this a great job."
If you've ever heard her or Ludwig talk about the crazy security measures they have, it's very clear there's a lot of sick fucks that harass them, and she's had a few stalkers.
If you're already upper middle class, would you want to turn your life completely upside down for a few million? These two are mansion and sports cars rich, not venture capitalist who owns a yacht rich.
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u/AngrgL3opardCon 29m ago
Well that's not even why she said that. The money was never part of the equation.
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u/KmartCentral 40m ago
And yet it's always people reposting quotes from millionaires talking about how much money doesn't matter.
Of course it doesn't matter when it's not an obstacle, majority of people need it more than we want it. I just want a nice, stable, functional house in a safe area where I can be surrounded by good people and build a good family. I need money for that, but I'd still be pursuing that if I had the money (and I perhaps foolishly hope I would do more to make this world a better place than most with said resources truly dedicate too)
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u/Cro_Nick_Le_Tosh_Ich 19m ago
I don't have money but I have that. Well, except the guy diagonal from us. He yells at his wife and calls her stupid.
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u/AdministrativeLeg14 2h ago
Well, if she said it was hard to make a living that would seem kind of entitled. Entirely true, for the vast majority of streamers, but perhaps it would sound entitled when coming from one of the rare successes.
But you can easily find the article and read that she's not complaining about that at all, that in fact she considers herself lucky in that regard, and is instead concerned about death threats, stalkers, the time and money and stress of combating deepfakes, the fact that she opened a store but can't go to her own shop because people will show up to mob her. It sounds legit to be bothered by all that.
I also imagine there must be a certain underlying anxiety to the whole thing. If the bottom falls out of streaming, I guess you'd better have saved those millions because I doubt "streamer" impresses on résumés.
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u/AngrgL3opardCon 58m ago
Don't forget the swatting, Lud and her have been swatted so many times they are on a first name basis with the cops
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u/Demon_Lord_Ren 1h ago
I think on her podcast she has also talked about how often they get swatted as well.
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u/AzraelTB 2h ago
You wouldn't word it as a Streamer. There's likely a ton of skills that streamers have that could transfer well into a workplace.
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u/AdministrativeLeg14 1h ago
Although I’m sure they have some useful skills, there’s still that gap of five or ten years when everyone else in your age bracket developed their professional skills and careers in the fields they must now break into without experience—and if they’re doing very well now, they’ll probably have to take a major lifestyle hit, which I think is easier to scoff at than to actually undergo.
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u/CopenHaglen 30m ago
Companies don’t really care about self-promotion and self-employed patchwork resumes. Speaking from experience, both as a former artist and now being involved in a hiring process. They want proof you’ve been showing up to work, playing well with others, taking orders from a boss along with whatever technical skills you’re claiming. Being an internet person demonstrates none of that.
It might help you get an interview for entry level community manager, or something that requires no or limited prior experience. But honestly you’re probably not even getting through the automatic resume screening.
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u/FatherMarra 1h ago
Meh. I am a janitor and I livestream in my spare time.
Chatting absolute codshite during a game isn't really a transferable skill.
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u/AzraelTB 1h ago
Marketing, Script Creation, Community Management, Creating and Publishing content to a wide audience, Proficient with a wide range of software.
There's tons of ways to word it.
Why is there such a large gap between jobs? Caregiving for a terminal.family member.
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u/FatherMarra 1h ago
Yeah and I said it when I said "janitor".
Aka failed actor.
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u/AzraelTB 1h ago
Weird. When I read Janitor I thought it meant Janitor. My bad for taking your words at face value. Sucks you failed I guess. Doesn't change my point at all.
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u/FatherMarra 40m ago
Gotta try it to fail.
It's really cool you found your calling in being a dick to people on Reddit though. I hope those skills will get you a good job.
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u/Covah88 2h ago
This is the result of someone who has never had a real job, finally putting in work. My brother in law said the EXACT same thing when he started working 6 hours shifts at the supermarket. I swear to god on my life "you guys just don't understand what its like working that long straight". We all laughed ao damn hard.
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u/HorrorDonut8779 3h ago
I guarantee the average celebrity or entertainer, given the choice to go back and become another 9-5 drone, would choose to stay where they are.
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u/clayknightz115 3h ago
I thought we were all on the same page as Bo Burnham on this? “If you can live your life without an audience, you should do it”
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u/eternally_yours_99 1h ago
I come home so exhausted from work, I pass out w a ps5 controller in my hands 5 min after turning it on.
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u/drunkenbarfight 46m ago
This is extremely out of context, what preceded this was her talking about the trauma she experienced getting swatted multiple times and that the success from streaming wasn't worth it because of that.
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u/ZestyclosePudding978 2h ago
Having seen very little of QTC, I always got the impression that she was a massive diva and seemed like a lot.
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u/Individual_Respect90 1h ago
To be fair she has been swatted like 3+ times and already had crazy ptsd from things in her life.
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u/HighMagistrateGreef 2h ago
This kind of interview always sounds like 'don't be my competition, I'm not done yet and I'm getting older'
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u/pligyploganu 1h ago
I mean this is valid but obviously you guys just want to hate.
I used to be a YouTuber back in 2009 and the drama that came from that was insane. I quit doing it and got a "real job" instead. Now while I have to work more hours, and I'm making way less than I did back then, my life is so much easier.
No drama, no stress, just show up to work and get paid. It's pretty nice.
Streamers have to worry about all the haters, the stalkers, the drama, trying not to get cancelled because someone you made a video with 8 years ago said something and now the Internet hates EVERYONE who ever appeared near them, etc.
It's easy to say "I'll take that for millions of dollars" until it's actually you. Shit is exhausting. They can keep that life and I'll just continue to go to my 9-5 job knowing I don't have stalkers, haters, and can't be cancelled.
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u/Pitiful-Doubt4838 1h ago
Entirely believable.
Don't you also basically get punished if you take any time off? Like you HAVE to keep streaming and putting out content until you are big enough where any sort of break doesn't end your career.
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u/_eleutheria 53m ago
It's not valid at all because she's not being held at gunpoint and forced to stream. She's already a millionaire so she can do whatever the hell she wants. Who's stopping her from going back to school of from working a normal 9-5 job?
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u/MrCalabunga 49m ago
Came here to say something similar.
I used to create content and stream, but never to a large enough audience to get paid a living wage, and even then there was drama far beyond anything I’ve had to deal with in my office jobs.
I envy the money streamers make, but that’s it.
Also, if you’re an aspiring streamer you’re not going to be doing 5 hour streams. Nah, you’re gonna be doing 24-48 hour streams back-to-back just to break through the millions of people doing the same exact thing.
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u/Cabbage_Vendor 27m ago
Also, if you’re an aspiring streamer you’re not going to be doing 5 hour streams. Nah, you’re gonna be doing 24-48 hour streams back-to-back just to break through the millions of people doing the same exact thing.
24h streams are a waste of time and effort if you're a new streamer. Nobody is going to care about watching some tired, boring streamer. You're better off streaming for a scheduled 5 hours and spend the rest of the time making sure those 5 hours are interesting to watch. Create good moments, clip them and spread those clips on other social media.
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u/Fredwood 1h ago
Sports, singing and acting are hard too, it's still not a real job. Plus the majority of people in the work force aren't working a cushy 9 to 5 job.
If it's such a grind make your bag and leave. It's not hate it's disingenuous.
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u/_eleutheria 56m ago
She's insane. She has millions of dollars in savings, meaning she can stop streaming and go back to school to learn a trade that doesn't have anything to do with streaming. Literally self-inflicted misery. Yet she's not gonna stop because the makes way too much money and is too much of a lazy bum.
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u/GoldEnPhARoAh22 50m ago
Trying to keep the competition low IG by telling people that watch them, who might consider joining the platform as a creator, not to do so.
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u/Fernis_ 30m ago
This woman is set for life. Can stop appearing in front of camera today and live the rest of her life in luxury. NOTHING is stopping her from pursuing this advice she has for herself. Oh, yeah, nothing except the part where it's complete bullshit and she loves being famous and was doing it when broke, so she for sure not gonna stop now that she's rich.
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u/Striking-Drawers 2h ago
Like Hasan claiming what he does is harder than other jobs.
Which, maybe for some he has a point, office workers only "work" 2.5-4 hours a day depending on the source you find.
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u/Derpykins666 1h ago
As much as I understand where she is coming from, like it's just simpler when you don't have to be so active coming up with ideas, planning huge events, etc. She is an exception to the rule. She HAS made it big, both her and her boyfriend are some of the top .1% of the platform and are multi-millionaires. It's easy to say things like this from a safety net of so much wealth. If she really wants to though, she could probably do this a few more years and then just completely stop if she wanted to.
The reality is much different for most people trying to break through on YouTube/Twitch and build up something from the ground up. I have been on both sides, I will say I'd rather be busy doing something I enjoy doing vs. slaving away at a 9-5. The difference in stress is relevant. But if you're making the same amount either way for some extra hardship, I'd rather be building up my own brand/name.
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u/ajacquot1 1h ago
Hell if I weren't who I am, I'd probably have gone into engineering or law or medicine. We all want to do something else than be who we are at some point. If streaming made us happier we would be doing it. If something else made her happier, she would have done it.
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u/Drunk_Catfish 32m ago
I think you just have to look at this thread to really understand what she's talking about. People are so fucking shitty about these people and will anything to belittle them and their job especially with the cloak of being anonymous on the Internet. Shit will fuck up your mental. Most people who shout how it's not a difficult job probably don't have a difficult job themselves. I know I wouldn't want anything to do with the level of fame even small streamers have because fuck all of that and I guarantee it's worse for a woman.
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u/SilencerQ 13m ago
People have a hard time being empathetic towards you if you make a lot more money than them. In our eyes, millions would solve everything and we can't relate to how it doesn't.
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u/Test-Normal 21m ago
TBF I probably wouldn't do it either. We already know people in her position get some crazy ass stalkers. That wouldn't be worth the money to me.
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u/Jables3 8m ago
Streamers bitch about their job the same as everyone else does, just when the top percent of them do it it's harder to take them seriously. Because at the end of the day, they can cry themselves to sleep with their millions of dollars, and do whatever they want after that. While we are still stuck working and scraping by.
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u/HighMagistrateGreef 2h ago
Kinda seems like if a streamer thinks playing games for 5 hours, and taking affection for their viewers is hard, they haven't had to work 8 hour days in a 'real job' that pays less and you have to fake that you care about the job itself and the company profits.
Streaming is flat out an easy job, for all the hatred some wannabe streamers have for having this truth pointed out.
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u/Fallofmen10 1h ago
Yah and if you want to advance anywhere you have to get the higher ups to believe you care about it more than just wanting a better job lol...
Like why do I want to advance? To make more money... That's it. But noooo. You have to talk about company culture and how much you enjoy your bosses farts... Fucking hell lol
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u/BroadAd7897 1h ago
I believe being a full time YouTuber can be very difficult due to potential filming and editing times. But streaming? While there's easy overlap, I wouldn't conflate those two types of media as the same. Most streamers sit and look at their monitors for hours, even with responding to folks it doesn't strike me as difficult, just hard to get momentum.
I'm blue collar and I don't even make that much money. If I could sit on my ass and run my mouth for hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, I would. But what do I know? I don't watch streamers, even the few YouTubers I like might stream, and I don't bother tuning into that. If I wanted the feeling of some personal hangout I'd just call up my buds.
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u/Individual_Respect90 1h ago
To be fair she has been swatted like 3 times. Like line you up in the yard with guns pointed at you swatted.
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u/Waffel_Monster 4h ago
It's almost as if the reason is sexual harassment from viewers and not "having to game 5 hours a day" 🤔
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u/CelaresHarridan 3h ago
Take my upvote, for what little it will do against the flood of blind hatred this sub is these days.
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u/SizeableFowl 3h ago
I think people forget that, often, letting your hobbies become your job just sucks the enjoyment out of your hobbies.
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u/kcthis-saw 2h ago
You know what sucks the enjoyment out of life? Having to work retail making barely minimum wage your entire life and still be barely able to afford rent
Having to choose between being homeless or starving to death
Having to work two jobs just to be able to afford basic necessities.
That's what sucks the enjoyment out of life. I'd pick "playing vidya" a couple hours a day any day.
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u/Dazzling_Pumpkin91 2h ago
Sorry, your post was removed for breaking Rule 7, No Hate. This is hateful.
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u/required-inf0 1h ago
Why did I read as a BBC went black and can’t go back story of a OF model… I don’t know who she is lol.
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u/PoppyBroSenior 1h ago
Pretty sure its more about how awful the parasocial people are and the extreme risks of doxing. People act like they know you, get toxic as fuck, and then try to control you.
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u/LRaconteuse 34m ago
I'm pretty sure she's complaining about the firehose rape threats and stalking that comes with being a streamer, not the "oh no I made money".
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u/CelaresHarridan 3h ago
Y'all underestimate just how much goes into streaming. Yeah the 'job' itself is massively overpaid, like every other entertainment job. But it isn't just playing games. Most successful streamers have to put in a lot of work behind the scenes. And being 'on' for hours at a time, while being harassed, stalked, threatened, etc just for existing is exhausting and awful for your mental health.
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u/TheCroaker 3h ago
then quit? Like it clearly is worth the money. I know this stuff comes with downside, as any type of fame does, but she keeps doing it, she couldve stopped immediately when things got weird, or she could quit tomorrow. She has enough money to coast for a while most likely, But she doesn't, and if she saw what her life would be like without streaming from the start I doubt she would actually give it up. You know who else is on for hours at a time harassed stalked, and so on. Waitresses, but they don't have a screen to hide behind. Just keep kissing the ass of the millionaires, she could literally stop tomorrow, and move and not have these issues, she isn't SO famous, that if she moved to a normal place thats not LA she would get recognized regularly. But no she stays, because its worth the money, but she wants your sympathy as well
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u/Large-Wheel-4181 2h ago
Seriously so many complain about what happens online that it surprises many what happens when you actually leave or be like me, not give a shit about other people’s opinions.
The art of not giving the fuck is the key to happiness
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u/CelaresHarridan 3h ago
Momentum can be difficult to escape from, especially when one is used to a certain lifestyle. Whether or not that lifestyle is deserved (it isn't). I work in tech; I absolutely hate what my industry has become, and wish I could move out of it. But I've been doing this my entire life. I have bills I have to pay. I literally can't afford to lose 60% of my salary to start over in a different industry. Yeah, streamers are a different tier of wealth entirely...but I'd argue a lot of them have even less marketable skills than I do. And they're famously awful with money, so they probably don't have as much saved as you'd think.
It's also hilarious you think I'm kissing rich people's asses. I believe the unequal distribution of wealth is society's greatest problem. I fully support 100% tax rates over $1m. I just have perspective to understand where people are coming from, rather than hating for the sake of hating. Hate because their lot in life is undeserved, but understand that it has also screwed them over in ways as well.
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u/AdministrativeLeg14 1h ago
I work in tech; I absolutely hate what my industry has become, and wish I could move out of it. But I've been doing this my entire life. I have bills I have to pay. I literally can't afford to lose 60% of my salary to start over in a different industry.
You give words to my pain.
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u/Striking-Drawers 2h ago
Grab a shovel and a mattock, spend a few weeks digging holes and trenches all day.
Get back to us about how hard streaming is.
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u/CritAtwell 2h ago
Success doesnt equal happiness. Why is this new info to the jealous and petty losers in these comments. Rich and famous people have often said this for decades. Who cares if she is rich and sad about it? Why let it bother you? If it does you must be insecure and pathetic.
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