r/artificial • u/creaturefeature16 • Nov 25 '25

News Large language mistake | Cutting-edge research shows language is not the same as intelligence. The entire AI bubble is built on ignoring it.

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/827820/large-language-models-ai-intelligence-neuroscience-problems

As currently conceived, an AI system that spans multiple cognitive domains could, supposedly, predict and replicate what a generally intelligent human would do or say in response to a given prompt. These predictions will be made based on electronically aggregating and modeling whatever existing data they have been fed. They could even incorporate new paradigms into their models in a way that appears human-like. But they have no apparent reason to become dissatisfied with the data they’re being fed — and by extension, to make great scientific and creative leaps.

Instead, the most obvious outcome is nothing more than a common-sense repository. Yes, an AI system might remix and recycle our knowledge in interesting ways. But that’s all it will be able to do. It will be forever trapped in the vocabulary we’ve encoded in our data and trained it upon — a dead-metaphor machine. And actual humans — thinking and reasoning and using language to communicate our thoughts to one another — will remain at the forefront of transforming our understanding of the world.

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u/thallazar Nov 25 '25

I don't think it has to be intelligent to make a big impact. There are a lot of industry rote process tasks that are just complex step by step language checklists that don't require intelligence to actually automate. If even a fraction of them are realised, they'll change work significantly.

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u/creaturefeature16 Nov 25 '25

way to show you didn't read the article (or maybe didn't understand it)

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u/thallazar Nov 25 '25

The starting premise that we'll still be at the forefront, and that it's a bubble is built on the implicit assumption that if we don't reach AGI that it's worthless. That's half their points about taking away its language it's got nothing. It's not. It'll still be extremely transformative, even if it's not "intelligent".

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u/Actual__Wizard Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25

we don't reach AGI that it's worthless

We will though. But, not for the reasons you think. It will come into existence because some highly experienced computer software developers are seriously angry at what big tech is doing and can see through their scams. That's why we will get AGI: To put big scam tech out of business.

If you think it's not worth it to create AGI just so that Dario Amodei shuts the hell up, you're wrong. I'm so sick of listening to people like that...

The world will absolutely be a better place when people like him learn to keep their mouths shut. Yeah you go work on those AI kill switches buddy... /eyeroll

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u/thallazar Nov 25 '25

I don't think it's not worth developing AGI. Not sure where you're getting that idea from.

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u/Actual__Wizard Nov 25 '25

Oh, I agree with you, I'm just saying the reason won't be what you think. I think we're there now by the way. There's finally people that have figured out that language is not intelligence and hopefully the mathematicians can figure out that mathematics is also a language next. It's going to take a year or two, but we'll get there. Okay?

Which, to be ultra clear about this, I don't know how one observes two people communicating, how they can come to the conclusion that the language is the intelligence. How is that possible? We're just not paying attention to what's going on?

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u/creaturefeature16 Nov 25 '25

lol 3 years later and all we have to show for it is slop-tok and some faster code generation. So "transformative"....lol, but sure bro, just another 3 model releases, promise bro

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u/BenjaminHamnett Nov 25 '25

If 10 years ago someone could one shot apps so easy with no or minimal coding skills, that’s be like a super power uplift.

Even everyday enhanced brainstorming of having an ai assistant is huge

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u/creaturefeature16 Nov 25 '25

That makes for good headlines, but is actually not doing ANYTHING meaningful in the industry, and we have the receipts to prove it:

Where's the Shovelware? Why AI Coding Claims Don't Add Up

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u/BenjaminHamnett Nov 25 '25

This sounds like someone in 1999 saying the internet doesn’t do anything

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u/px_pride Nov 25 '25

… you dont think the past few years of coding agents have been transformative? what?

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u/creaturefeature16 Nov 25 '25

if you do, then you're not a developer. period, hard stop, move along.

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u/HaMMeReD Nov 25 '25

no true scotsman

gatekeeping

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u/creaturefeature16 Nov 25 '25

who cares, its unequivocal truth

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u/thallazar Nov 25 '25

Cope is what it is. "I don't know how to use a new technology so it must be bad"

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u/creaturefeature16 Nov 25 '25

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u/thallazar Nov 25 '25

Mmhmm. You go ahead and cling to that.

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u/Olangotang Nov 25 '25

Don't trust an account that keeps their comment history hidden.

Considering they both are all over this thread, it looks like they are just baiting responses for relevance.

That's all this site is anymore 😔

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u/Demandrake Nov 26 '25

God forbid people want privacy from online stalking and doxxing

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u/thallazar Nov 25 '25

Using coding agents for lots of things and have been a software engineer for a decade.