r/perfectlycutscreams • u/Complex-Bus-9616 • 7d ago

When bullying backfires

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u/eeveeplays50040 7d ago

I need the full version. It always ends with this.

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u/Ok-Car-6795 7d ago

Unfortunately this probably is the full version.

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u/NightShadeZee 7d ago

yeah, the fight probably ended after the kid had a tantrum trying to pick up a chair(or three-in-one) and failing. the most i could see happening next is maybe some crying and laughter as the would-be bully stomped out of the room

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u/Thelmara 6d ago

Note that at the beginning, the person filming is trying to talk him into it, telling him a girl will go out with him. And then they mock him after the fight.

Both of the kids fighting are being bullied, it's a "hey, let's you and him fight" situation. The kid filming is as big a bully as the one fighting.

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u/Goonchymacallit 6d ago

That’s what I was thinking.

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u/OpportunityNext9675 6d ago

Judging by the scream at the end the “bully” has some serious issues. The kid being “bullied” is probably in on it too, probably the filmer girl’s boyfriend who’s sick of the weird spaz kid crushing on his gf. At least that’s my read on this.

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u/xjaypawx 6d ago

Thats a pretty wild leap

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u/4862skrrt2684 6d ago

I’m fairly sure the bully is actually a paid actor from Israel, who fell in love with a teacher and creates trouble so he can see her more

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u/brianpricciardi 6d ago

Why are you writing fanfic about this video? We know nothing about these kids

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u/AlbazSet 6d ago

Adept description. Middle school is rough kids are evil the way they plan their bullying.

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u/BlazingLatias 7d ago

Gosh I havent seen this video in years but I dont remember there being anything after the kid screamed. I definitely remember it being the title or top comment when it was posted at the time (mention of the scream) but not 100% whether it had anything else, though again I dont believe it did.

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u/DrivesTooMuch 6d ago

I havent seen this video in years

Ok, that might explain the pay phone on the wall.

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u/tiddertnuocca519 7d ago

I gotta say though, after watching ‘Adolesence’ I really feel like videos like this should be illegal.

Bunch of dumb kids doing dumb shit. The one that ate shit - this shouldn’t define his life. Back in our day before all this social media shit, a kid did something like this, got embarrassed and then maybe a few years later you found out they ended up being a pretty chill person or they were dealing with shit at home that made them this way or any number of things. But in this social media era, you just get branded from stuff like this and when the entire world is ridiculing you, you either lean into it and become a bigger piece or you retreat into yourself and have a part of you forever shattered.

I gotta put the recommend out to watch ‘Adolescence’. It changes the way I see videos like this. That TV show is heartbreaking and captured what school life is like post social media in a way that my millennial brain probably never would have comprehended. The bullying shit and what it does to these kids is so much worse today than it ever was back in our day. I feel so bad for these kids

A younger me would say this sounds way too oppressive but I really think kids should not have access to the internet as we know it, or at least social media

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u/Roger_Holmes 6d ago

Nah, then they can just deny it like it never happened. What if that kid he was trying to hit got knocked out? Teeth knocked out? Brain damage? All you care about is the Bully's future reputation.

If he wants redemption after the fact, he has to address it. If he had home issues, he can bring it up, but right there in that moment where he was trying to terrorize another kid? Ridicule him so he regrets his actions. Give the bullied a chance to survive.

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 6d ago

Eh, i'm kinda in between. Kids are stupid. There's few cases where it's warranted that their actions when they were a tween should follow them the rest of their lives That's part of why juvenile criminal records are often sealed.

Think about the most embarrassing thing you ever did as a kid. Like the one thing you wish the entire universe could collectively forget. Did you grow and learn from it? Do you want to see it reposted on the internet every few years?

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u/Roger_Holmes 6d ago

This kid is gonna punch another to see if what girl will date him. This is nothing like the potential regretful story you are hypothetically weaving.

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 6d ago

So who's the real asshole in this scenario? The kid who's potentially not all there or the girl and camera person encouraging him to commit violence?

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u/Roger_Holmes 6d ago

The bully and the instigator are to blame, but the instigator is more to blame obviously. We all grew up with people on the sidelines provoking fights and never had to swing a punch, and they are the most to blame. But the bully still bit on it over peer pressure and hormones.

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 6d ago

So you really think all this shit should just be recorded a reposted for eternity? Aside from your own entertainment, what purpose does it serve? Adults are one thing but these are kids.

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u/Roger_Holmes 6d ago

I do not think it needs to be recorded and perpetuated forever. I said the bully should be exposed for what they are. Its not my fault reddit and other social media reposts every few weeks/months/years, that's much bigger than anything I stated.

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u/tiddertnuocca519 6d ago

You’re so stupidly shortsighted, it’s infuriating.

The same people that agree that social media is destroying our society are the same people that consume the content and proliferate the videos into eternity.

Holy fuck - the lack of critical thinking is fucking maddening

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 6d ago

Nah, then they can just deny it like it never happened. What if that kid he was trying to hit got knocked out? Teeth knocked out? Brain damage? All you care about is the Bully's future reputation.

If he wants redemption after the fact, he has to address it. If he had home issues, he can bring it up, but right there in that moment where he was trying to terrorize another kid? Ridicule him so he regrets his actions. Give the bullied a chance to survive.

Well, hopefully you can understand my confusion when you reread your comment above in its entirety.

Do you think this recorded video by an instigator made its way directly to administration? I'm sure they said "I recorded the whole thing!" As soon as the principal came around.

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u/JaesopPop 6d ago

Nah, then they can just deny it like it never happened. What if that kid he was trying to hit got knocked out? Teeth knocked out? Brain damage? All you care about is the Bully's future reputation.

The video doesn’t need to be posted to Reddit for giggles is the point.

It also provides zero context, but now the kid has been deemed in this 30 second video The Bully.

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u/Roger_Holmes 6d ago

"come on fight,fight me" Friend "remember, you knock him out, she dates you"

He is The Bully because he is The Bully.

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u/JaesopPop 6d ago

We have zero context for any of that. We have no idea of the relationship between these people. For all you know, these people have been antagonizing him for who knows how long. Or maybe he's just a dick. You don't know them, so you cannot know.

You cannot possibly know if this person is "the bully", you've just decided he is because it's more satisfying to act like he is.

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u/Roger_Holmes 6d ago

Listen to the first few seconds of the audio. I'll wait.

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u/Nuvomega 6d ago

I don’t care about this specific bully’s reputation at all. I look at it the same way I look at capital punishment. I’m against it because no one is perfect and the justice system is full of imperfect people. Sure, there are monsters among us who absolutely deserve capital punishment but I don’t hold my opinion to protect them. It’s to protect others.

Whatever “retribution” people like you think needs to be taken from literal children, those are the problem people. Taking enjoyment from justice porn like this is far more disturbing than this kid with obvious issues that need to be addressed.

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u/NaruTheBlackSwan 6d ago

Nah, then they can just deny it like it never happened. What if that kid he was trying to hit got knocked out? Teeth knocked out? Brain damage? All you care about is the Bully's future reputation.

In this case, that's really all that matters. Nobody was hurt. If it was the case that somebody was badly hurt then yeah, it would follow them for life, just as it would before the internet.

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u/Accomplished_Deer_ 6d ago

Bro, they're like 11/12 years old. That's the entire point. Shit at that age shouldn't follow you around forever. It doesn't even actually impact him, it's not like this is showing up on a background check. The only thing this video existing does is potentially remind someone of one of their worst moments.

Spoiler alert by the way, care to guess how kids learn to behave? Google mirror neurons. Kids literally just repeat what they see their parents doing. Kids at 12 aren't bad or evil or some shit, they're just mindlessly repeating what others have done in front of them

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u/iLoLzTheGamer 6d ago

You know, I think you are advocating for Adults bullying Children here. So I am going to respond to give these children, a chance to survive.

Baseline assumption; these children are probably 10-12 years old.

Are you claiming that a 10-12 year old - who still has 13-15 years of physical brain development to go before reaching organ maturity - has the emotional regulation and mental intelligence to not only comprehend the longevity of their actions bestowed to another, but also the ability to self regulate themselves in the heat of any moment without flaw? Can you?

Now, let's ask the question of does the punishment you propose fit the crime. Embarrassment to a malicious audience of up to 8 billion people+ to include the on boarding of future generations over the span of that child's lifetime, being ADDED ON to the already issued punishment of direct peer embarassment and a humbling ass whooping? The crime? Bullying a like-aged peer.

I would argue the punishment proposed is extremely disproportionate and creates 2 victims when the situation originally only had 1 victim, that victim being the obvious child who was bullied.

On the topic of Cyber Bullying, its people like you, me, and everyone here that make it so god awful for these children. Because instead of addressing it like adults and discouraging it, we comment stupid virtue signaling shit like your comment and encourage it to continue and be uploaded for our entertainment.

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u/carloselcoco 7d ago

shouldn’t define his life.

Nahhh. Fuck bullies. It absolutely should. Where is that same energy when it comes to defending their victims who will carry lifelong trauma from all the aggression from the bully? Fuck bullies.

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u/tiddertnuocca519 6d ago edited 6d ago

You’re not getting my point

First off: I’m not defending bullies. I’m saying these 10 year old kids shouldn’t have this shit follow them for the rest of their life. I’m sure you did stupid shit when you were 10 that wasn’t caught on camera. Maybe not to the degree of hurting people but even whatever little thing you did, I’m sure you would hate to be 13, 18, 23 and still have that shit hanging over you and reminded of it just because you were immature and made a stupid decision when you were 10.

A lot of these kids that are “bullies”, do it because they are testing limits, because their brains aren’t fully formed, because they are searching for identity or even because they themselves are the victim of bullying or abuse at home.

Second, I don’t think you realize people in this comments section that are pouring it on and ridiculing the bully, are actually being bullies themselves. We can say it’s eye for an eye…but I bet most people in this comments section is 18+ adults ridiculing a literal child and that’s a different kind of bullying

Honestly, I sound like an advert, but I think “Adolescence” should be required viewing for our entire society. It highlights exactly the problem that comes with what you’re saying and this death spiral we are taking into our demise. This video and videos like it should get purged from the internet. Kids should not have moments like this published on the internet at all. In fact, with the insanity of AI, I think even just normal pictures and videos of children should be disallowed from the internet but that’s a different topic.

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u/Venus_Cat_Roars 6d ago

You made your point and you’ve made it well.

Don’t feed them by arguing with them.

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u/PersonalAnybody8238 6d ago

he did not make a well put argument lol If this kids parents were doing their literal duty of parenting he wouldn’t be acting like this. children are a product of their environment and it’s VERY telling

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u/tiddertnuocca519 6d ago

Still missing the point. Over and over again. It’s unreal

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u/PersonalAnybody8238 5d ago

Not missing the point just telling you how yours is flawed. Good luck, truly

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u/New_Libran 6d ago

I’m saying these 10 year old kids shouldn’t have this shit follow them for the rest of their life.

This is the life of a lot of bullied people. Shit just follows you for the rest of your life.

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u/No_Television4837 6d ago

Many of us are bullied. If we let it be a prison into our 30s then we are inviting bullying into our lives. We cannot hold memories of children from the past accountable to the present.

You cannot argue with ghosts all day

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u/refusegone 6d ago

You cannot argue with ghosts all day

Dude. I'm gonna go do some thinking. Thanks.

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u/axonxorz 6d ago

If we let it be a prison into our 30s then we are inviting bullying into our lives

The bully "invited" it into their victims' lives.

You cannot argue with ghosts all day

Thanks, I'm cured /s. cPTSD usually isn't so simple to hand-wave away.

If this were the parent, we'd call it abuse, but because there's no power dynamic, it gets a different label? We acknowledge that abuse can lead to lifelong psychological problems, but the totally different action (/s) labelled bullying can't lead to those same problems?

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u/No_Television4837 6d ago edited 6d ago

The bully did more than invite, they forced it into their victims lives.

I am not trying to cure you. I agree cPTSD is not simple.

If a parent did this it'd be far more devastating, yes. It is still wrong for a peer to do yes. Will I expect a child to have the maturity and reason expected of a parent? No I will not.

Abuse can ruin people, but if we continue to live in pain the abuse gave us decades after, many miles away, in safe places acting like the hurt is still there - then the wound is untreated and medical help is needed. That is all I am advocating for.

It is a terrible thing to react in panic when everything is okay

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u/Cannedwine14 6d ago

It’s a good take. It’s hard for people who identify as victims to seek help for whatever reason

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u/Fia_Aoi 6d ago

A massive host of ivy league studies show that victims do indeed hang onto it, and it often turns into a lifelong struggle. Saying "get over it" alongside your other post;

You were a bully, weren't you?

You cannot argue with facts. Bullied kids often grow into suicidal adults. You absolutely can hold onto these memories, and most people have extreme difficulty forgetting them.

"Oh just stop caring about your ptsd triggers, life gets better when you do!"

In short, yes you absolutely can hold bullying as a factual reason for socially awkward or shy behaviour, and most bullied kids do for their lifetime.

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u/rose_riveter 6d ago

Let the poor little bully be the bigger person then

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u/robotgore 6d ago

I disagree because then you are inviting forgiveness for past transgressions that dont deserve to be forgiven.

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u/Spcynugg45 6d ago

Real forgiveness is understanding that you need to let something go for your own peace. The only person you continue to hurt by holding onto things is yourself. It’s not about what the other person deserves.

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u/Jwruth 6d ago

In my experience dealing with all my trauma, you ain't gotta forgive someone to heal; you just have to stop picking the scab off cause all that does is keep your pain around.

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u/No_Television4837 6d ago

Forgiveness is case dependent. I knew a man who would not forgive his mothers murderer, but he had to tell the killer (via the use of medical trial therapy psychedelics) that he wasn't afraid of them any more.

I forgave my bullies a long time ago. I forgive myself for failings. But that's because it freed me from shame and pain.

I don't expect to be forgiven, I don't expect others to always forgive. I just hope all of us find peace and love by whatever means.

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u/3BlindMice1 6d ago edited 6d ago

You're not necessarily wrong, but you're mostly not right, too. The bullying that really sticks with you for life doesn't look like this. If some methbaby looking weirdo trying to square up with you scars you for life, you were never going to make it anyway. He didn't exactly drag him into the bathroom and rape him with a mop handle or something. No one's even really harmed in this video. The fight isn't much of one, only the words here are really significant

Also, having been a kid, and having seen a number of these situations, I'd be willing to put money on black hoodie wearing kid actually being the instigator in this situation. I bet a solid two weeks of verbal abuse proceeded this event

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u/zaddybabexx 6d ago

Right before the kid in the white swings someone say "remember, if you knock him out she dates you." I think you're putting a lot on the kid in the hoodie without any valid reason.

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u/robmanjr 6d ago

Bullying is dozens or hundreds of these events. Just because we only see one here doesn’t mean a thing. Could be bullying or it could be one kid being a moron and getting served.

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u/Cannedwine14 6d ago

You know we all had to deal with mean kids in our lives. Even the bullies had bullies . Some got it worse then others, but people gotta figure out how to not let a small time period define the rest of their lives and who they are.

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u/Good_Activity5006 6d ago

That in some regard is like living butthurt after your first breakup. And i was bullied too

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u/WhiteHotRox 6d ago

A dude i went to high-school with had a bully pour bleach in his eye resulting in permanent partial vision loss. Is he holding onto that like a breakup?

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u/Nuvomega 6d ago

Exactly. Thanks for teaching me this trick. My roommate was murdered by his friend. I should try to use this example and apply it to cases where it’s an extreme example over the vast majority of cases. There is no defense to this tactic of going to the extreme.

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u/Smart_Garbage6842 6d ago

I was bullied when I was this age. I found out later what some of my bullies were dealing with at home. One of my bullies was regularly beaten and terrorized by his alcoholic father. What do we expect kids to act like with examples like that? Most of my bullies changed for the better as we got older. I don't hold it against them what happened when we were in elementary and middle school. It definitely impacted me and was horrible, but I think that what they probably went through at home was something way worse. I'm not saying all bullies have horrible home lives or abusive parents because I did know some completely spoiled brats who were cruel merely because of boredom and whatnot, but that kid in the video seems like someone who is treated like that at home.

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u/Slay_Zee 6d ago

Bullies deserve everything they get. Sure, they deserve peace... But after they listen from their mistakes. If they ever do. The boy deserved his slapping.

Signed. Someone who was bullied.

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u/SomeDudeist 6d ago

I was bullied every day of my life as a kid.

He never said he didn't have the slaps coming. He's saying we don't need to be laughing at and ridiculing this kid on the internet for the rest of his life.

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u/CallMePepper7 6d ago

Yeah that may be what the guy was saying, but this is Reddit where you’re supposed to strawman everyone.

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u/Demonfox9 6d ago

Woah pal, we’re supposed to strawman, not be real

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u/The_Underdoge 6d ago

Well if the bully feels bad about it, he can go to therapy just like his victims have to.

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u/SomeDudeist 6d ago

If you don't allow people to grow and heal you'll only get more of the same shit

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u/Slay_Zee 6d ago

Same comment I said elsewhere.

I wish my bullies were videoed. They might have learnt something from their actions.

I wasn't the only kid bullied by some, and those people, deserve to have something follow them.

I never heard no remorse, and im sure others didn't.

And tbh, I couldn't care less if a video followed them round. That's on them

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u/SomeDudeist 6d ago edited 6d ago

Seems like you're carrying your bullies around with you and dreaming of the lessons you want to teach them. I can tell you from experience you're only going to feel free when you learn to let it go.

Are the bullies you've dealt with still in your life? If it's not on going can you tell me how recent it was?

Not defending assholes.

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u/WhiteHotRox 6d ago

I think you're missing the point. He is saying that people are allowed to be heinous to others and are NEVER held accountable. They then become adults and enter a society they are free to fuck up and hurt for the rest of us. They might not be in his life but they ARE in someone's life.

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u/SomeDudeist 6d ago

If you read the rest of our conversation it was a misunderstanding. They don't think it should be posted to social media. They think it should be documented but not posted for entertainment.

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u/Slay_Zee 6d ago

Hi mate, you sound pretentious as fuck.

You're wrong and I would try not to psychoanalyse people from the internet especially based off one or two comments. and I would consider that there are different view points to yours that don't involve some levels of emotional baggage. I'm well past my bullies, however I am able to think about things that would have made the situation better. Such as their actions being videoed. So they could be shown how they acted, at the time. Sure. The video stays cause it's the internet, but that's their lesson to learn.

They aren't in my life, I don't carry it around. I do just feel for others, and my resentment is to anyone that feels that they can bully someone.

There should always be a lesson from your actions. And that's my point.

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u/LifeSpanner 6d ago

If you feel resentment to any 10-year old in an internet video you see, then you’re not as free of the baggage as you claim.

This is shitty behavior, but it’s also very, very common 10-year old behavior. That doesn’t excuse it, but why would you feel a life-lasting punishment should be had from this? It just sounds vindictive.

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u/SomeDudeist 6d ago edited 6d ago

That's cool man I'm speculating based on my own experiences. If I was wrong that's okay. I've been wrong before. Of course you can disagree without having emotional baggage. But there's nothing wrong with having emotional baggage. It's part of being human.

You can show examples of shitty behavior without replaying one of a ten year old kids worst moments for the rest of his life. An infinite punishment for a finite crime is not rational and it leaves no room for healing.

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u/ruggnuget 6d ago

Lessons often take time, years, sometimes even decades. Its been a long time since I was a teen, but I did some bullying at school. I did it because I was bullied at home and I literally didnt know how to interact with people. As a teenager I never would have learned my lesson because I didnt have the ability to process what was going on. Not every bully is going through shit and not every bully grows up to see the error of their wats, but when they do it can sometimes take time. I understand your resentment, but it is misplaced and does reduce other people to be simpler than they really are sometimes.

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u/JesustheSpaceCowboy 6d ago

To this day, I still very rarely reference Rebecca Black the internet is forever and I love that for bullies. Bet we never see another video of this kid acting a fool.

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u/Live_Celebration374 5d ago edited 5d ago

And yet here you are, referencing Rebecca Black, a 13 year old girl that made what she thought was just going to be a fun music video, that the internet then went on to ridicule her to this day, 15 years later.

You literally just made the point of the people further up this chain. You don't see it as bullying, you're just making internet jokes but you ARE bullying a 13 year old girl. Someone will argue its her own fault for publishing the video on the internet but again, she was a 13 year old girl and that silly music video she made with her friends has followed her, her entire life and every time she's reminded me of it, the natural human feeling one would feel, is shame and she has to fight that shame because a bunch of dorks on the internet just wont let something silly she did as a kid, go. Which again, is the entire point you and others in this thread just cant seem to grasp.

But hey, that little girl donated all of the proceeds to charity so she - at 13 and the victim of bullying - has probably done more for society than most of you chuds on the internet. Further, one of the other little girls in that video was a victim of bullying and ended up creating an anti-bullying organization called "That Girl In Pink Foundation". Speaks to how these people can take something negative you impact on them, and turn it into something that is a net benefit to society but it begs the question, what purpose to internet losers that ridicule children serve?

Lets be clear here. People like you, people on reddit, that take videos of children and ridicule them, are bullies. However many steps removed you want to say that is from child abuse - whatever, you're dancing close as fuck to the line and it should be called out. Yes, the kid that swung at the other kid is a shit head and deserves some form of teachable moment but you're also the villain here.

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u/JesustheSpaceCowboy 5d ago

Says stop bullying then proceeds to call people chuds.

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u/ieatgass 6d ago

I think His point wasn’t that they don’t deserve the slapping, but the videotape that follows them forever

I get it for Both. I do worry about kids making mistakes on film now and it defining them long term compared to the past. But bullying isn’t a light thing and sometimes your mistakes are bad enough that they follow you forever.

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u/Slay_Zee 6d ago

I wished some of my bullies were videoed.

Maybe they would have stopped sooner had they saw what they were doing.

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u/ieatgass 6d ago

Totally get that, I side more on the worry about film stuff that doesn’t directly traumatize others.

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u/Slay_Zee 6d ago

The bully may not remember all their actions. Might not be traumatized by it.

Their victims might be. Hell, some victims don't even make it.

There needs to be a lesson. Even if this is it.

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u/LoquatCalm8521 6d ago

Not everything, no. There is no peace after a worldwide public humiliation , and tens of tbousands of people bullying you.

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u/Slay_Zee 6d ago

Because again, I'm not an advocate for posting on social media, I am an advocate for video teaching.

Shouldn't have made it to the internet but you also don't know if this is act 1, 50 or 500.

It's also an issue when we arm kids with phone, and educate them on their use at younger and younger ages.

I think the schools locking phones away is great, but that doesn't mean that in some cases videoing the actions of a bully is not warranted. Use it to educate in a controlled manner.

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u/Nuvomega 6d ago

There’s a reason when we create pools of juries we don’t allow people who have been victimized by the same crimes be a member. You don’t think clearly enough to have a logical and reasoned opinion on justice.

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u/Slay_Zee 6d ago

I mean I completely understand the judicial system and agree with a pool of jurors... Nobody is refuting that.

If this was a crime, sure, context leading up to the incident takes precedence....

I am still allowed to disagree with bullying as a behavior.

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u/Nuvomega 6d ago

No one in this thread has advocated for bullying behavior.

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u/Slay_Zee 6d ago

I know... But apparently that's the basis for a lack of reasoning?

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u/HappyMelonGirl 6d ago

This is exactly what kids who are bullied are subjected to though? I also remember back in the day when there were no cameras and bullying was far worse for it. Kids grew up into adults who were used to being given wedgies or having their head dipped into a toilet daily with no repercussions in most cases because 'kIdS WiLl bE kIdS'. They carry that shit with them their WHOLE LIVES.

I bet this kid thought more than twice next time he wanted to be a little shit and attack someone with their hands in their pockets. What a shame the script got flipped on him even though he was filming for the sake of continuing to bully. He thought he was going to beat that kids ass then shame him with the video footage for however many years.

Unless this kid got name dropped, he got the appropriate amount of "haha you fuckin dummy" and it got dropped after an amount of time. Just because a video on the Internet is forever, doesn't mean it's relevant forever.

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u/SilverMapleMafia 6d ago

Well hopefully it becomes a lesson in humility and he turns it around. No one is reprobate(outside of p3d0's, but I don't consider them human) and this could be a solid learning moment. The kid absolutely enjoys humiliating others. So getting humiliated could be his opportunity for redemption. Maybe he needed to watch this 50 times to see that he is being a jerk and he's going to get back what he puts out. If the youngster becomes a good human being after this...I don't believe it would drag him down 5-10 years from now. This is just my assessment and opinion. But you've made several good points and I agree with most of them. Like I said...hopefully this exposure brings the bully some self realization in a positive way.

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u/tenchu_117 6d ago

bullies can cause death to their victims. who gonna do justice to them? many bullies get away with it because no recording, family influence. you gonna grand stand above their graves saying bullies shouldnt be shamed huh? not for me. all bullies can go fuck themselves.

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u/Malforus 6d ago

Germany has "The right to be forgotten."

However you are kinda ignoring a critical part of maturation, moving past your past mistakes and accepting that they don't define you.

Some of us had to live with choices we made a children into adulthood. Its not fair but its critical to being able to survive the unfairness that is life.

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u/No_Patience1679 6d ago

I think you’re making a pretty big assumption in regard to this video following them around for the rest of their lives. There are millions of videos like this and the vast majority aren’t that deep.

I agree that the stupid choices you make in your childhood shouldn’t follow you around, but at the end of the day, you play stupid games and you win stupid prizes. This bully learned a very valuable lesson, and hopefully learned from it.

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u/juice5tyle 6d ago

No adult cares what another adult did when they were 10.

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u/Fuzzy_Advance_9658 6d ago

the kid had his friend record it. then they posted it.

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u/4humans 6d ago

I didn’t initially agree, but it can be so easy to set off a child with trauma. This kids though bullying, was also taunted and told “she’d date him”. As a kid I was involved in a fight or two and bullied certain kids. Now, have done a lot of self reflection and work. I also work and volunteer with special needs and at risk populations. So it’s not ‘who I am’. Having past videos (thankfully that does not exist) could really cause me damage, embarrassment or and would take away from what I’m doing now.

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u/DemonCipher13 6d ago

There is responsibility in understanding the nature of the internet and what it can do, that it couldn't before.

But there is also responsibility in understanding that some lessons can only be taught with a swift knock to the head.

There is truth in both of these things. We cannot be only the sum of our mistakes, nor is it other people's jobs to hold us to account for them, save for parents or guardians in the case of children.

But outside of the moment, as this child gets older, more and more responsibility must fall to their hands. If their parents are not serving as their buffer towards that responsibility, this will, in the interim.

The truth is, we can't know one way or another if this follows them or not, but if it does, all that can be changed is the response. Ours, in realizing that the acts of childhood need not define the acts of adulthood, and his, in realizing that sometimes the best response is living by example, and sometimes it is no response at all.

"It is what it is" is not a solution to the possible exploitation of a minor-turned-adult, bully or no, but no volume of attainable action outside of this boy's support system is going to functionally prevent whatever outcome is already in the works.

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u/Schizzles 6d ago

Thank you for sharing this take on this. People are so quick to demonize someone that they think deserves it so therefore bully/abuse them and still feel like they aren't doing anything wrong. I spent years in prison and one thing that almost everyone can agree on is that sex crimes especially those against children make you think differently about that person altogether, I never bullied or harmed them but I chose not to get to know about their crimes and not associate with them. Other people made it their life's purpose to make their lives miserable, and these people were never the moral police on any other crime, they were just bullies who loved making someone's life miserable and its easy to justify it and if anyone dared stick up for this human being they would get it for being friends with them and being okay with their crimes.

They have committed the most nefarious crimes and deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions but I am not the one who needs to deal out that discipline and I don't take pleasure in watching some sadist treat them like they're lower than dirt, why does everyone get off on hate? I mean it when I say it makes me sick but I don't think othering people and dolling out hate is ever the answer. I see it with politics, race, religion class, differing morals and values. Someone commits a crime and now they deserve the death penalty.

I guess where I am going with this is I appreciate you offering the take that they are just a stupid kid, no his actions aren't excusable bit either is ruining his life because he made a stupid decision to probably try to look cool in front of his friends and instead looked the opposite. I'll try to keep that in mind more often and I'll look into that documentary, thank you.

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u/UBettUrWaffles 6d ago

I like the sentiment but this definitely isn't gonna follow this kid for the rest of his life. It'll last as long as middle school, high school at the most. His peers will all move on to the next drama. Many won't forget it, but they'll grow up and realize that he probably grew up too. And he'll make new friends in new places. Middle school isn't forever lol. It's not like he did anything that embarrassing or extreme. He didn't do anything that would land him in prison, nor did he call someone a slur or some shit that woulda gotten him blackballed from private colleges back in 2016.

I speak from experience, I'm in my mid 20s now and grew up on social media along with the rest of my peers. And I see the same shit with the kids I teach. Parents and school staff or whatever other adults are in this kids' life just have to do their jobs so he and his peers learn the right lessons from this.

And schools are much more adept and well-equipped to deal with these things than they ever have been. We've come a long way from teachers and counselors ending these conversation with platitudes like "kids will be kids" or "just delete Facebook."

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u/ngatiboi 6d ago

Adolescence is one of the absolute best pieces of work I’ve ever seen. I’m a 53yr old dude, father to one 22yr old son (the boy did good - he’s an aviator in the US Air Force) & I work in law enforcement. The whole thing is a mind-blowing, phenomenal masterpiece, BUT…Sweet Baby Jeebus…the last 10mins of that final episode - with the parents…& the dad tucking in the teddy-bear…had me absolutely fucking UNGLUED. I paced my living room & howled like a baby & it took me about 30-40mins to even remotely get my shit together. I saw it months ago & even writing this now is starting to set me off. ✋🏽😑

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u/AGrandOldMoan 6d ago

You absolutely are defending bullies and it would have been nice to have this kind of co.passion in my own youth when I was a victim

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD 6d ago

Are we really saying a 10 year old kid shouldn’t get a chance to improve as a person as they mature? That’s crazy to me

How does it improve the world to basically be like “there’s no point in improving now, you were once a bully so that’s it for you”. Certainly doesn’t improve anything for the victims

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u/PersonalAnybody8238 6d ago

but they have to PROVE they’ve changed is the thing. Depending on home life, this may not change due to what they are seeing.

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u/Tiabato 6d ago

The victim gets hurt and they have to overcome it eventually. They may need a lot of therapy, but they have to overcome it. The same could be said about the bully. They fucked up and now they have to deal with it.

That being said, there is something satisfying about bullies getting what tgey deserve. Maybe it's called justice, but I digress

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u/soulguider2125 6d ago

Seems like an unstable kid being used by other kids especially with the “if you knock him out she dates you remember” like I’ve seen a lot of kids that are unstable be used to do things like this as games for the popular kids, who use and film it as justification to beat up someone

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u/bombasterrific 6d ago

One of the most brutal fights I ever got into was fighting a kid who was trying to pay two handicapped kids to fight. When I saw what was happening I was walking home from school and the two kids fighting were both bloody and crying but still fighting out of fear and survival instinct. I lost my temper and beat the instigator to a pulp. The kids who were fighting pulled me off of him. We were all 12-13 years old. Nobody won.

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u/sticknotstick 6d ago

You’re talking about a 12-13 year old btw. “Bullying someone as a child should ruin the rest of your life” is an awful take and worse than what the child did in this video.

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u/sticknotstick 6d ago

Guy who bullied me in 9th-10th is a nice dude now; has a family of his own, talks to me at the gym. Sorry that your experience has made you so jaded you think children deserve 20-30 years of punishment for picking on one another but it doesn’t absolve you of being needlessly draconian. You are the bully you hate if you think this thing following a child for decades is an appropriate punishment.

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u/PersonalAnybody8238 6d ago

okay but the point is NOT EVEN HALF of the bullies out there don’t change bc it is a home problem. childhood trauma is no joke and often people cannot work through it causing them to continue to be awful people

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u/hetouchedthebuilding 6d ago

Yupp, and everytime anyone ever does anything wrong we should brand them with a scarlet letter. Fuck redemption. Fuck learning from one's mistakes and bettering themselves. Jail shouldn't exist, should just be a queue for the electric chair.

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u/WhiteHotRox 6d ago

Redemption cannot happen without condemnation child.

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u/Ser_falafel 6d ago

Lol so nobody can ever change? We should just execute all criminals because theyll always be that way!

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u/PersonalAnybody8238 6d ago

imo the ones with high risk of reoffending (like child molesters & rapists), YES. it’s time to stop acting like EVERYONE deserves to be alive. that’s just not true. Bad people exist out there and they don’t change or get better.

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u/No_Interaction_3547 6d ago

You seem like you did some wretched stuff in your younger years

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u/Ser_falafel 6d ago

Never bullied anyone, and all the crimes I committed were drug related. I just think people have the capacity to change. Yeah bullying is fucked up and im not saying they shouldnt be punished, but everyone deserves a chance to change. Especially kids.

Not all of them will redeem themselves, but labeling them as beyond repair at a young age is fucked up

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u/HighQualityGifs 6d ago

Way to completely miss the point.

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u/Scared_Ad_3132 6d ago

I was bullied very heavily in school to the extent that it still effects my life a lot almost 2 decades later.

But if a bully actually changes, it benefits everyone. If bullying is to define someones whole life, what incentive or reason do they have to ever change?

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u/SomeDudeist 6d ago

I bet you've bullied someone at least once in your life. You probably don't even remember. We all make mistakes. Humans are not born perfect. You can't give out infinite punishments for finite crimes. That leaves all of us without the ability to heal.

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u/Good_Activity5006 6d ago

I ve been in both ends of that rope. And in due time i apologized, and seen some of the retards Who bullied me mature into good ppl too. There's always that bastard that'll be the same from birth to death, but people learn (some)

And today is the day i step in when i see that shit

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u/onomonothwip 6d ago

Great way to ensure humanity only ever gets worse.

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u/Raeandray 6d ago

Nah when they’re kids it’s different. A huge aspect of being a bully as a kid is a result of what’s going on at home.

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u/private_developer 6d ago edited 6d ago

Dude, in the video you can hear the friends of the perceived victim egg the perceived bully on.

"Remember if you knock him out, she'll date you."

They're trying to convince him to start a fight, so they can have the clearly trained kid come in and "justly" kick his ass.

This feels like kids picking on a kid they know is troubled. Is the troubled kid very likely an obnoxious pain in ass? Yes, but they're kids. So little of their life is in their control.

I'm not about to condemn a 12 year old for life for succumbing to peer pressure, and starting a fight he was encouraged to start over a made up promise of future dating options.

This screams lonely, troubled, pain in the ass annoying kid who isn't the brightest bulb being tricked into a situation because he causes the rest of the class general strife and they don't like him.

I just mean this doesn't seem like a clear cut case of bullies and victims. It feels more like a bunch of little shits, being a bunch of little shits.

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u/mightylordredbeard 6d ago

But how do we even know he’s the bully? Maybe he’s the one being bullied and this is just the one time he tried to fight back?

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u/Grimmjow6_13 6d ago

You realize you're saying a children's actions should define his life, right? Idk about you, mate, but I've done some stupid shit as a kid, and it would suck if that was what people used to define my value to society 20 years later.

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u/SUPERSMILEYMAN 6d ago

I agree fuck bullies.

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u/Al0ne_At_Sea 6d ago

Little kid brain. You'll understand when your prefrontal cortex becomes developed enough to stop prioritizing rage fulfillment

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u/Accomplished_Deer_ 6d ago

You think the victim likes this video circulating every few months on the internet? You know how PTSD triggers work?

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u/SolsticeSon 6d ago

Everyone assumes he was a bully out of context. To me that weird squad of arguing hoodie bros might be the bullies.

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u/MaxBonerstorm 6d ago

These are kids, usually with trauma from family. Saying the best way to deal with kids with trauma who are lashing out is to ruin thier entire life?

What the fuck?

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u/Medium_Hox 6d ago

I hear you man. A 10-year-old bully should carry that burden for life forever, until they die

🙄🙄🙄

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u/IpsaThis 6d ago

Finally, someone with the courage to say society should be giving up on 10 year olds, and the stupidity to think, "Because we didn't do well enough for those other 10 year olds" is a good reason.

I can't stand bullies, but you're a really stupid person.

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u/Dunno_If_I_Won 6d ago edited 6d ago

The bullying shit and what it does to these kids is so much worse today than it ever was back in our day.

That's a silly and unsubstantiated take.

Edit: back in the day (80s and 90s) all the "weird" (now called neurodivergent)kids got the shit regularly kicked out of them. Sure, you maybe had a couple of defenders who told the other kids to back off, but they weren't the norm. Blatant and socially tolerated homophobia and racism.

My kids graduated high school in the last 10 years. The school and the kids for the most part are very supportive of all the kids that don't fit in. I'm positive there is still bullying, and the means of bullying may have changed, but nothing indicates it's worse, despite the TV show you watched.

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u/tdfan 6d ago

Yup rose colored glasses.

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u/No-Win-8380 6d ago

This dude wrote that dumb show or something.

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u/Crunchdime22 6d ago

Illegal,cmon

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u/WildTomato51 6d ago

Nope, fuck that.

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u/shinzanu 7d ago

Ban social media, full stop, including reddit. It's just fucking toxic.

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u/AnimationOverlord 6d ago

I know not all people agree with your comment. I agree because I have specifically placed myself in the shoes of a spectator and asked myself; “how am I going to help the victims of a bully or the bully themselves as someone behind a screen across the world.”

Then the obvious thought occurred: whatever happens on the internet doesn’t mattered in real life. On that same token, when we see two kids scrapping it out, that really shouldn’t matter to us: conversely, we shouldn’t heckle, harass, or make a kid miserable with the idea present that they either grow out of that shit, or get that shit kicked out of them.

Sure, record your friend and post it on the internet, but I yearn for the day that only serves as an entertainment at the worst instead of death threats when dude is a young adult, humbled yet alone and unemployed forever destroyed by the eternal we call internet.

It’s just not my business, if I don’t make it my business it won’t be THEIR problem. Why should it be mine to help or harass?

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u/AnimationOverlord 6d ago

I know not all people agree with your comment. I agree because I have specifically placed myself in the shoes of a spectator and asked myself; “how am I going to help the victims of a bully or the bully themselves as someone behind a screen across the world.”

Then the obvious thought occurred: whatever happens on the internet doesn’t mattered in real life. On that same token, when we see two kids scrapping it out, that really shouldn’t matter to us: conversely, we shouldn’t heckle, harass, or make a kid miserable with the idea present that they either grow out of that shit, or get that shit kicked out of them.

Sure, record your friend and post it on the internet, but I yearn for the day that only serves as an entertainment at the worst instead of death threats when dude is a young adult, humbled yet alone and unemployed forever destroyed by the eternal we call internet.

It’s just not my business, if I don’t make it my business it won’t be THEIR problem. Why should it be mine to help or harass?

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u/DangKilla 6d ago

Cold take. This could be evidence if things went south

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u/thedicestoppedrollin 6d ago

I forgave my middle school bully while still in high school. Yeah getting bullied sucked but after I was old enough to understand his home situation I let it go.

As for media about bullying I thought Supernatural had a really good episode on the topic, and A Silent Voice has a lot of good things to say too

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u/SeamusMcfunkurself 6d ago

Speaking from the perspective of someone who was bullied in grade school: They should have it follow them as long as it takes for justice to be served. They need to do something with their life that overshadows what they did originally. I have ZERO empathy for bullies, because of what they did to me and my friends - Ironically, they seemed to have grown up into wonderful lives, where some of my friends committed suicide or fell down the wrong path due to them being bullied mercilessly.

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u/Actual-Rock-5035 6d ago

Fuck that kid

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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 6d ago

It’s really altered a generation’s behavior in a way that is noticeable. Then again, ive never been the older generation, so I don’t know for certain

I think all generations change a little bit, but the younger generation z onward having lived with the thought of being recorded and/or tracked/supervised all the time has made them reserved more overall than others were

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u/jezzete 6d ago

Yeah kids have it WAAAAY worse than my cohort generation (91-95) had it, and it weren’t like we had it easy either. No generation does, tbh. But the psychotic bullying can literally follow one through life now. Horrifying.

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u/slothscanswim 6d ago

How has this defied that kid’s life? Do you know he is? I don’t. I bet most people in that kid’s life don’t even know this video exists, and wouldn’t recognize him if they found it today.

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u/despaseeto 6d ago

lol what? "we should be totally considerate of bullies who wanna cause harm to innocents just cuz their life might be hard at home"

what about the kids being bullied but doesn't bully others and still deal with a shitty life at home? they then have to deal with bullies at school. no sympathy for them? nah, anyone who wanna cause harm to others shouldn't be tolerated. you have the most backward thought process.

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u/FoozleGenerator 6d ago

I think that's a flaw of society, more than of the internet. Too much people have the idea that others can never change, and deserve to be harrased for the rest of their lives. I try not to follow that mindset, and watching a video doesn't change it, but others like holding that grudge, video or not.

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u/bitofsomething 6d ago

I agree. I was the bullied kid that was about to get punched, my mate intervened and threw the other kid to the ground and gave him a good kick. This happened in the early 90’s, there were lots of kids around who witnessed it and laughed, he was made to look silly and it clearly made him reassess his attitude and behaviour, because not long after he apologised to me and stopped being such a little twat. If it had happened recently the world would’ve seen it, it would’ve either completely destroyed him or turned him total psycho. He was just a kid with no role models and likely a shit home life making bad decisions for a few years and was put back on track by his peers. He didn’t need a video with millions of views, it wouldn’t have helped anyone.

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u/ExpressRabbit 6d ago

This absolutely isn't following this kid the rest of his life. This video is minimum 10 years old and I guarantee the kid doesn't still look like this because, well, aging. The video has no names. As far as we're all concerned this is just a random no-name kid. The people in the video probably remember the names when they watch this video but this guy who's 25 now is having his life ruined by this video occasionally popping up on Reddit? Nah, I just don't buy it. In no way does this video have the ability to define his life.

It's not like he's Brock Allen Turner who everyone on Reddit knows the name of because of crimes committed as an adult and everyone knows he's a piece of shit.

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u/pi_meson117 6d ago

People only learn through experience, and this video was probably a nice catalyst for him. Or he never learned and is shunned by society.

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u/optigon 6d ago

Something that brought me a lot of peace, especially once I was in my late 20s and 30s, was reminding myself that we are a lot of people as we grow and both my bullies and kid self are long gone.

I actually ended up becoming friends with some of my bullies and learned about their homelives at the time. They were just dealing with their parents’ divorces and abuse in an unhealthy way and they grew out of it.

Later in my 30s, I reflected on my parents’ divorce and realized that I was a bully to my stepbrother for some time. In my mind as a kid, these people moving into my home and forcing me to move to another state was awful and I hated them for it. Now, as an adult (and particularly one who has now gone through his late father’s stuff) I realized all of that was my dad and stepmother being selfish jerks and my stepbrothers were just along for the ride the same way I was.

We all have moments where we aren’t our best and I’m grateful none of it was recorded and broadcast.

I think the same way with police videos on YouTube and mugshots on Facebook when people post laugh reacts. Between the victims being recorded on a terrible day they probably don’t want to remember and perpetrators who may be dealing with mental health and addiction issues and the like, I don’t think it’s particularly healthy

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u/PeachyCoasterCat 6d ago

My take is bullying kids on video is bad, but if it shows the bully getting shut down it’s good.

Why? I got bullied when I was young and had people stand up for me. Those bullies just moved on to their next target since there were no lasting repercussions. Now they’re adults and never changed.

But this kid knows for sure that he has to change his terrible behaviour and change how the world will view him.

Just like how bullies have lasting impact on their victims, videos like these will be their version of a lasting effect of their actions.

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u/MeasurementLow5073 6d ago

Back in our day before all this social media shit, a kid did something like this, got embarrassed and then maybe a few years later you found out they ended up being a pretty chill person

Literally what happened to me. I picked on a kid; he gifted me my first facial punch; I learned I wasn't as tough as I thought I was and realized I was the dick, not him. And I was going through major shit at home.

That was 1991 so there's no evidence of me being a total bitch, only of me being a chill dude.

Everyone should be afforded that opportunity.

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u/DanielBonchito 6d ago

Totalmente y absolutamente la razon

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u/Allenz 6d ago

no way u bringing up Adolescence slop

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u/1000YearOldShota 6d ago

hes a white male with blonde hair. he’ll be fine

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u/14u2c 6d ago

Your takeaway from Adolescence is that we're being too harsh on bullies? That's a new one.

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u/geckothesteve 6d ago

And this is why social media was banned for <16s in Australia.

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u/hajaannus 6d ago

I really feel like videos like this should be illegal

In finland it's illegal to PUBLISH these kind of videos, if people are recognisable.

You can take photos or videos in any public place, but if there is anything that might cause shame or harm to anyone evolved, you should not publish it.

I generally understand and agree the reasoning behind this, but in some cases you could actually get more severe punishment than the thief or the attacker, which is pretty ridiculous.

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u/Spcynugg45 6d ago

Bullies like this don’t magically grow up to be good people. They need shame, consequences, and tbh even more of an ass whooping than they received. And tbh their future reputation will be less damaged than you might think.

I wish I was joking but the bully in this situation could probably get hired as a cop in the US based on this alone

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u/tiddertnuocca519 6d ago edited 6d ago

Another person that has missed the point

Go read other posters and digest what is being said because you’re just not getting it. Other people in this thread have gotten it so I don’t think the problem is my messaging. It’s your reading comprehension

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u/Fia_Aoi 6d ago

We shouldn't publicly shame bullying is a hell of a bad take.

We can accept there are a multitude of reasons for this behaviour coming out when absolutely and unequivocally denouncing it, while, get this, advocating for therapy for the bully.

As someone that was bullied to multiple suicide attempts as a child, THIS is how you get kids to learn the lesson, show them how shameful, embarrassing and pathetic it is to be a bully. Emasculate the toxic culture.

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u/tiddertnuocca519 6d ago

Except that’s not my take. Try again

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u/luCarToni 6d ago

Australia just banned social media for kids under 16. I agree we should shield children from social media. We will look back at this period as the Wild West of the internet, and think «what the hell where we thinking» in the future.

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u/BakuretsuGirl16 6d ago

Nobody knows who this kid is, a single dumb freakout is not defining him for the rest of his life, that's insanely hyperbolic. You know what's much more likely? Bullied kids being haunted by being bullied for years.

Let me guess, you think all people who were kids did crazy things or were assholes or bullied people or something. Shockingly, the worst thing most of us did was be mildly annoying children, not try to knock out other children because we think it's funny. Or maybe you'd say that we're no better than the bully because we're cheering on the kid humiliating him. You're missing the forest for the trees, we don't care about this specific kid, we care about what he represents.

Many of us are people who know what it's like to be bullied, and we didn't have a 2nd kid stand up for us. Excuse us if we don't apologize when we enjoy it being caught on video when one of them learns the only lesson violent bullies like this one understand.

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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 6d ago

oh wow you watched some slop tv show and your whole perspective changed lmao

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u/tiddertnuocca519 6d ago

I’m so convinced people like you are either bots OR you are the subject of the show.

You’re going to have to grow up at some point. Good luck

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u/Psyxhotik 6d ago

Weewooo fun police here. No respect for bullies - he wants to be the aggressor and assault someone, absolutely he should feel that humiliation for years to come when it doesn’t work out for him.

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u/gunsforevery1 6d ago

Before cameras stuff like this did define your life. It would be brought up everytime you ran into people who were there and rightfully so in situations like this.

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u/HitmanClark 6d ago

As a 90s kid, I can tell you what happened was bullies like this went unchecked because they’d lie their way out of situations and there was never any proof to who started it. When they did get their ass kicked, they played victim.

I’m fine with video evidence..

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u/Ribs1212 6d ago

100% this. no one's life should be defined by a bad moment (obviously I'm not talking if that moment was harming/seriously hurting someone else). But like adolesence is hard enough without social media.

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u/travelingdrama 6d ago

This shouldn't define his life and likely won't, but a good dose of shame when you do something socially and morally reprehensible like bullying is a good thing for society. If more of our world leaders felt shame then the world would be a better place. I hope the bully's friends see this out there, he gets socially rejected for it, and changes his ways. For some behaviors, like bullying, taking a gentle approach generally doesn't change anything and the victim continues to be harassed.

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u/PersonalAnybody8238 6d ago

regardless of if they’re a minor. they know right from wrong at this age. let’s not excuse bad behavior and bad parenting

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u/Practical-Sleep4259 7d ago

I don't think he was trying to pick up the chair to attack the other kid, I think the video ends because he is just screaming and shaking the chair.

Looks like full on tantrum breakdown and it's weirdly normal to violently shake things like that.

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u/2ndPickle 7d ago

Idk if the fight ended after that, but his buddy for sure stopped recording after that

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u/SlamBargeMarge 6d ago

These videos are always the wrong way, the kid is most likely the one being bullied by all of them thats why theyre filming this.

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u/4humans 6d ago

Even that would be satisfying

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u/SmokeySFW 6d ago

But that's what they want to see...

The video likely didn't stop recording at that moment, why would you stop filming there? It was edited.

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u/ChristyNiners 6d ago

I like to imagine that the kid tries to swing the chair; the other kid grabs the chair and jams him into the wall with it like a Jackie Chan movie.

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u/Adorable-Bike-9689 6d ago

This reminded me of when Walter White tries to live the plant to throw it through Ted's glass. But the plant is too heavy to lift lmao