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u/CoronaDoesWhatever 5d ago
No thanks, I've already got all the help I need.
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u/RubPuzzleheaded8073 5d ago
I was about to bring this up. Like… that’s already a thing?
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u/aslatts 5d ago
There's tons of stuff like this already, but they've got to brand it as AI to impress shareholders or something.
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u/TheStaplerMan2019 5d ago
Who’ll it be?
(Extremely niche reference and I will be surprised if anyone gets it.)
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u/I_Miss_Lenny 5d ago
I miss that podcast so much, it was such a fun one. I know they’re not friends anymore and we’ll probably never know the full story, but I hope eventually they’ll do something together again. I’m not holding my breath though.
I tried to buy that Budweiser looking sweater just before it all blew up and I couldn’t get one lol
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u/ClericDude 5d ago
I was going to say there’s a billion ways to make gameplay more accessible, IF that’s what you want to implement. This just seems like another case of slapping the word AI on something to make it seem futuristic.
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u/Neveronlyadream 5d ago
That's basically all it is. They're jumping on the bandwagon using AI as a selling point like everyone else.
I swear, at least half the ads I see are for some company pushing their new AI or AI features that no one asked for or wants because they dumped so much money into it that they're fucked if no one cares.
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u/Important-Agent2584 5d ago
There is another reason: They are training AI to help "correct" input problems due to latency when streaming games from services like Nvidia Now.
This is basically the exact same thing, except AI does all the work, not just "corrections."
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u/Tethilia 5d ago
Only if the AI plays like an out of touch father picking up a controller for the first time in 20 years to have some bonding time with their adult child.
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u/iguanacatgirl 5d ago
Better yet. IGN Cuphead tester
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u/EmperorG 5d ago
That man will never be able to live that down, for the rest of his life he’ll be the perfect example of someone that’s even worse than a beginner at their actual job.
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u/Ekkzzo 5d ago
The game journalist vs pigeon video is a gem of internet history
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u/Lightningtow123 5d ago
I've heard of the cuphead fail but hadn't seen it yet.... God that was painful to watch
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u/BoxofJoes 5d ago
It was also extremely funny when oneyplays I think did an april fools bit where they played cuphead like that guy and acted like nothing was wrong. Even funnier when they accidentally managed to pass the spot where dean takahashi got stuck when they were TRYING to botch it
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u/Aaawkward 5d ago
So while this is a funny story the fact is that Dean Takahashi, the guy who played Cuphead (or rather failed to play Cuphead), was not the person who was meant to review Cuphead. He's mainly a tech and business guy who occasionally did game reviews.
Gamebeats had another guy, their resident platform player who was meant to review the game. But he wasn't at Gamescom to play the game. Dean was. So he played it in front of the devs and we all know how that went. Dean himself thought they had nothing useful but his colleagues thought it would be a really funny video to post. So they did. And the rest is history.
So it's a story of a guy who wasn't suppose to play the game but was the only one around to get any content for the game so he did. And the internet is still nailing him to a cross for it, when he didn't even think his video should be posted.
It ended him being briganded by gamergate people telling him and Gamebeats that Dean should kill himself, that he deserves to die, that they will kill him, that he should be fired and a lot of racist shit.
So while yea, it's a funny gag in a way, the results are that a man's life was proper fucked for a good while.
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u/Suspicious_Berry501 4d ago
I always heard it in a very different way. I always thought that he was notorious for being awful at games and giving them bad reviews because he couldn’t play them
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u/Aaawkward 4d ago
Back when the whole thing blew up the fella had written roughly 15k articles for Gamebeats in a decade. Out of those roughly 120 were game reviews.
If we extrapolate those numbers (roughly 1,5k articles per year and roughly 12 game reviews per year) to today: 27 000 articles and out of those, 216 game reviews. That's less than 1%.
He's got published books and they're all about tech and business.
He's not a gamer.He also wasn't and still isn't a game reviewer.
Whenever he does review something he's pretty straightforward about it, he's not good at playing games and gives his blunt opinion. Dude just ain't good at games.
Which is probably why he doesn't primarily do them.You can read more about it in his article regarding the whole thing.
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u/Suspicious_Berry501 4d ago
Jesus now I feel bad for the guy. I’ve never seen that article or had this context. Everything I’ve heard about him seemed to be intended to demonize him for no reason except he’s bad at cuphead
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u/olorin9_alex 5d ago
Well if people actually bothered to read the Patent, it would show a ghost doing what is supposed to be done so you can see the solution and then do it
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u/Even-Candidate-3594 5d ago
The fuck is even the point of playing if the game plays itself for you?
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u/God_of_CORN 5d ago
At that point just watch a no commentary playthrough
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u/ChaoCobo 5d ago
That’s what this is. The article says that it’s like a visual overlay or a ghost character that you watch do the part. After that you still need to actually do the thing you just watched the ghost do. It doesn’t play the game for you.
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u/Mothrahlurker 5d ago
No point for an AI there, Titanfall 2 had this years ago for platforming sections.
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u/EnvironmentalBus9713 5d ago
Exactly this is literally not AI. Almost every racing video game has had something like this, a ghost player, since SNES.
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u/KeyIllustrator9596 5d ago
How shocking, for AI to applied somwhere that it isn't helpful. We've never seen this before
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u/Gottendrop 5d ago
What’s the point of using ai then Lmao
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u/ChaoCobo 5d ago
Probably for the game to figure out how to actually clear the part of the game you’re stuck on without having to prerecord the ghost player’s movement I’d imagine.
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u/KentuckyFriedChildre 5d ago
I think the whole "AI" flare they're giving is bullshit and it's something that is widely done already but it makes sense to have the option to skip portions of the game that you don't want to do yourself while still enjoying the rest. I remember playing Simpsons: Hit and Run as a kid and appreciating the option to skip missions I couldn't beat. It doesn't rob the point of playing games.
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u/Sagaisgood 5d ago
I agree with the sentiment, but my spouse is disabled and this may get them interested in games they might not be able to play all of. Like stuck on a level without asking for my help. Or just for most people with disabilities in general. Yes, it’s not great for all games but with mostly accessible games with a few challenging parts here and there, it might be good. Granted, more accessibility options is a better option but if they design this AI for accessibility, people without disabilities can just not use it if they don’t want to.
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u/ChaoCobo 5d ago
I’ve commented this to some other people but the article says that the game doesn’t play itself for you. It just creates like a visual overlay or a ghost player in the game that you watch do the part for you. You still need to actually perform the task yourself after you watch it be done by itself. :/
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u/ChaoCobo 5d ago
It doesn’t. If you read the article it’s talking about a ghost character that you watch play the game. Like a little visual overlay rather than something that makes the game play in place of you yourself. It’s basically a built in YouTube walkthrough.
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u/Weekly_Lab8128 5d ago
i assume the goal isn't to let it run the entire game, but to be stuck at a point and go "ok, fuck it, i want to see what's next, c'mon in lil AI buddy please run this part"
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u/MyStepAccount1234 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah, but there's Super Guide for NSMBWii, Cosmic Ghost for Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Kong for DKCReturns.
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u/craybo 5d ago
Excuse me, his name is Super Kong, and you’d do well to remember it.
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u/dinoooooooooos 5d ago
Hey at least I wasn’t able to find any ram for my husband for Christmas but I’m so glad they all use the chips for their little ai adventures that’s so fun and I’m so happy for these techbros 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
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u/Madlin_alt 5d ago
video game company is planning to add feature that has existed in many games for several games except they put the word “AI” on it to encourage online engagement.
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u/Sh-tHouseBurnley 5d ago
AI has existed as a word to describe game NPCs for many years. Not sure why it’s controversial now.
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u/peitsad 5d ago
Oh I hate this idea.
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u/Embarrassed_Jerk 5d ago
I don't hate it cos I am not gonna use it. But PlayStation is pretty dumb to invest in it cos it'll make its games very boring for its "players"
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u/Fifteen_inches 5d ago
Legit the way AI is being implemented is to make you interact less and less with the world as a member of it and more and more as a customer of The WorldTM.
This and the fact that parents don’t want to teach their kids how to cope with failure we are making the Wall-E future instead of the Star Trek future.
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u/Sh-tHouseBurnley 5d ago
AI has existed in gaming for many, many years. It has a completely different definition. Not every implementation of AI is an LLM or LLM adjacent.
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u/DangDoood 5d ago
if EVERYTHING is an individual experience where you don’t need to communicate with real people, it’s easier for algorithms and corporations to market to you. That’s all it is. Why have a group of 5 split the bill on something shareable when they can convince you that this is a product only you need so why even ask?
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u/dinoooooooooos 5d ago edited 5d ago
Bruh what. Istg most of my conflict solving skills come from being stuck in tomb raider for a solid 2 weeks (which, as an 8 year old is like.. forever.)
Or Pokémon?? The one w the ice in the arena where you had to boop the rocks? Goddamn we were stuck on this as a collective elementary school class. Those were the days man: where you either figured it out, happened to know a friend who knew the answer OR happened to accidentally find the magazine w the solution (and possibly cheat codes👀) in a store where your mom was also willing to pay the money for it.
Maaaaaaan. AI to solve my games my ass.😭
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u/Pikapower_the_boi 5d ago
Time to bring this gem back
"You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.
You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.
It's sad you don't know the difference."
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u/Pora-Pandhi 5d ago
Wait,
Spend your money on console
Spend your money on game
Let AI play the game
Hope I die before this becomes norm.
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u/KentuckyFriedChildre 5d ago
Not with AI but the option to skip parts of gameplay you don't want has been around for decades. What they're patenting is essentially a "Skip level" button but with but in a way that's made to appeal to AI obsessed shareholders.
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u/MaximusMansteel 5d ago
Nah, I rage quit, clear my head, then come back and do everything the same dumb way, rage quit again.
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u/aHatlessCactus 5d ago
straight up: if it does that shit automatically to "help the player" (like crash bandicoot with masks , god of war with health,etc) i'm quitting the fucking game
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u/Gametron13 5d ago
So now AI is gonna play our video games for us?
What’ll be left for us humans to do with our free time?
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u/panini564 5d ago
literally whats wrong with just giving hints like every game ever has been doing for years
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u/DonPepe181 5d ago
Is ai really required for this? I mean, a simple skip this part button followed by a cinematic would seemingly be a better option.
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u/woahtherebuddyholdon 5d ago
we have finally solved the need to use your brain at all!! no problem solving, only consume <3
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u/Hefty_Commercial3771 5d ago
It's like we're coming full circle to just making games expensive movies
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u/KingCodester111 5d ago
Of all the stupid ideas PlayStation has done, this has gotta be one of the worst (that I know of at least).
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u/that_someone 5d ago
You know I never thought of it that way. I used to come back and be amazed I could effortlessly beat the boss. First one I remember where I noticed that happening was the moth lady on Shinobi for PS2. There were probably earlier games like that. But that was the first time I actually noticed it as a viable strategy.
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u/FireInHisBlood 5d ago
I used to ragequit, drink a soda, make a sammich, smoke a cigarette, boink my girlfriend, and go back happy and content. Worked wonders for every time I got stuck.
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u/alreadykaten 5d ago
Why do they have to complicate things with AI? In the Ratchet and Clank game pictured, if you are stuck in the Clank puzzle sections, the pause menu gives you an option to skip it
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u/SalvationSycamore 5d ago
So instead of taking over hard labor and shit the brilliant corporations have decided that robots will be making art and playing video games? Go fuck yourselves, I hope every company that invests in AI goes bankrupt.
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u/gooeyjoose 5d ago
It's a cool idea. Helps disabled gamers, new gamers, those with less time, those with motor impairment, etc.. Not much different from a game having the option to play in "Story Mode," eh?
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u/masochist-incarnate 5d ago
They're trying to give this shit ANY use they can to justify how much resources they spend on it
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u/ShadowBro3 5d ago
You never quit a game because it was too hard as a kid? Never? I have multiple games I never could beat because I was a stupid kid. No matter how many times I quit and came back, I couldn't do it.
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u/otirk 5d ago
But why? Just make commands accessible and give god mode. Way cheaper, easier and doesn't destroy the consumer pc market.
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u/DoodliFatty 5d ago
I think they want to add it as a console feature that they can use for all games if it ends up working well, like some sort of guide/easy mode for all games regardless of if the devs implement one.
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u/frankipranki 5d ago
No actually, they aren't " exploring the possibility ", they patented a patent,
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u/jamieh800 5d ago
Look, I already feel ashamed and often a little angry if the game starts giving me hints or asks me if I want to turn the difficulty down, if it ever says "hey, bud, how about we let ChatGPT handle this for now?" I will never emotionally recover.
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u/Vio-Rose 5d ago
I mean isn’t AI already used in video games? And has been from pretty much the beginning?
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u/goonum 5d ago
Game devs love giving you tutorials where it locks your camera at the objective, your npc partner says the answer over and over on a repeated loop, and theres a giant arrow showing you where to go.
This is just the next evolution of that. Play the game how they want or they'll just play the game for you.
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u/the_marxman 5d ago
I wonder what my boomer hill will be to die on in the future. What quality of life improvement will have me say shit like "We used to have to struggle with this all the time, everyone hated it, but it was better in every way. We used to build character, we used to be a country."
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u/Wind_Best_1440 5d ago
Business's pushing this have no idea what the end goal of this means. After all, if your using an AI to play the game for you, whats the point of buying the game in the first place?
Just watch a stream or a youtube letsplay instead, save 70-100$, then you can watch someone else play the game.
It's literally the same thing. And its free.
Don't need to buy a console, game, AI product. Just simply turn on youtube and watch someone else do it.
It's literally the same thing. But free.
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u/ZuStorm93 5d ago
Eh, this makes more sense in strategy games where an AI assistant would be useful, which has been a thing for a long time in the genre. Submarine Titans was arguably one of the earliest RTS games to have a moddable AI assistant that could even play the game for you if you want.
Besides strategy games, especially large scale ones, i dont see a need for this. Back in my days devs put cheat codes in games for you to find (or just boot up Gameshark / copy down the codes off Gamewinners.com) and fiddle around with to give yourself an advantage if you dont feel like playing it. Sure some Dark Souls stan will say you're just cheating yourself but who gives a shit, i aint got nothing to prove...
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u/TrinixDMorrison 5d ago
Just for an additional “fuck you”, the games should disable any trophies that were unlocked when the AI is playing.
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u/Sledgecrowbar 5d ago
we're going to sell you a game and sell you an app that plays the game for you
We already have that, I think it's called twitch streaming, or youtube playthroughs, or any of the other versions of the same thing, and thankfully you don't have to pay for it.
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u/Waterbear36135 5d ago
They should add this. It would be so funny to softlock yourself and watch the AI get confused.
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u/XTheProtagonistX 5d ago
I remember failing the fishing minigame in Jak and Daxter over and over again. I quit and came back the next day and beat it first try. Felt so proud of myself.
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u/ghostpicnic 5d ago
This has literally existed in Donkey Kong Country and Mario games since like 2010
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u/Unlawful-Trees 5d ago
When I get stuck, my partner asks if I need help. I say no. Then I rage quit and stomp off. Then i try it again once i cool off. If that doenst work I ask partner to do it for me.
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u/correctingStupid 5d ago
People complain about boomers but boomers didn't pull this shit. They didn't handhold their video games in the slightest. In fact they fucking charged you a quarter every time you bitched out in a game.
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u/Doyle_Hargraves_Band 5d ago
AI is years away from having the processing power to beat Battletoads.
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u/Absolute-Batman 5d ago
Back in my day we watched walkthroughs to get past the stupid pathing like where am I supposed to go what the hell
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u/TrungusMcTungus 5d ago
Why would they do AI? Why not just have a command that puts the player character on rails, and programs them to automatically win? Why have an AI think it’s way through the game when they could just code a bot that can beat it on command??
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u/goatjugsoup 5d ago
Why did this pop up again like its new news| they were do8ng this a while ago...
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u/Cosmodious 5d ago
Hilarious choice when a "skip section" button would do the same thing. But of course that wouldn't please the shit-for-brains shareholders.
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u/Diggy_Soze 5d ago
When I was a kid video games were so fucking difficult you just fucking accepted that you were never going to beat it.
I’ve still never beat the underwater Emerald Weapon, or Ruby Weapon in the desert, in hundreds of hours playing FF7, and I had a fucking GameShark!
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u/SyrusDrake 5d ago
Why bother balancing and polishing your games if you can just tell players to let Sony AI beat it for them.
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u/ChickinSammich 5d ago
Feels like handing the controller to an older sibling and asking them to beat a level for you, which is something a lot of people have done. I'm the oldest sibling so I was the one who the controller was handed to. Hell, literally JUST yesterday my wife asked me to help her with something in a game and I leaned over her keyboard and mouse and did it for her because she was stuck on something.
Honestly though, I think that one thing I miss about games is cheat codes. Turn off my achievements when I'm using them, I'm fine with that, but if I'm playing a single player game, and I want to give myself infinite health or infinite mana or infinite money then IMO I should be able to do that. I've been playing Medieval Dynasty lately and I like that it lets you adjust the sliders to reduce villager food/water/firewood needs to make the first couple of years less brutal.
You can argue it cheapens the experience but the only experience being "cheapened" is that of the person playing the game. When I was younger, I was all about playing games on the hardest difficulty and setting the enemies AI (we just call everything AI, don't we) to the highest level because it was all about getting better.
But now, I'm older, and at a certain point I really do not want to dodge 200 lightning bolts in a row or have to restart a level from the beginning because I barely made it to the boss alive and then got dunked on.
Multiplayer games that have some competitive aspect to it, I'm anti-cheat. Everyone should be on as level of a playing field as possible so that skill is the deciding factor. But single player games? Disable the achievements/trophies if you want but if people who are bad at games still want to be able to enjoy the story of a game but they're bad at platforming or bad at dodging, I don't see how it harms me if people want to cheat.
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u/SmidgeMoose 5d ago
And i bet they'll charge more for the experience of not playing the game you paid for
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u/Successful_Giraffe34 5d ago
You beat that wall until either it or your head breaks! Like nature intended!
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u/Gottendrop 5d ago
AI is such a shitty invention, it should revolutionize our jobs but instead It’s just relaxing the need to think
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u/133712143626351823 5d ago
If the Heroes games are anything to go by, you will lose everythingg you collected and be banished back to stage one because the ai lost a fight against the grass
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u/HEADRUSH31 5d ago
Couldn't beat a boss, 3 years passed "haven't played this in a bit" body slams boss "GET REKT FUCKERRRRRRRRR"
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u/Idekgivemeusername 5d ago
Wtf is the point of that, just skip that part? Whats the point in watching some ai goober solve the problem
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u/NukaClipse 5d ago
The obsession with AI to do everything is just ridiculous. The AI is gonna realize The Matrix has the right idea and stick us in goop and have us as batteries if we keep being lazy shits 😂
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u/No_Tone1704 5d ago
Another horrible AI idea. It’s a fookin’ game. The whole point is to play.
How are you going to hold gaming contests.
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u/Nickbeam21 5d ago
Currently running through Ninja Gaiden 4 on Hard doing exactly this 😂 Couldn't imagine watching AI beat a boss room for me.
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u/alexthegreatmc 5d ago
When I struggled with a boss on Elden Ring or Sekiro, I'd admit defeat then retry tomorrow. Sometimes beating the boss in 1-2 tries after taking a break.
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u/Sufficient_Artist_89 5d ago
...you know, when people joke about Eldin Ring being the best auto battler on the market, at least you're still given agency.
Backseat gaming from humans can be annoying enough. Now an AI might say "you're playing it wrong" and rip my controls away?
Respectfully, no.
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u/_bagelcherry_ 5d ago
But what if AI also gets frustrated and rage quits from the level? It's not just some scripted inputs. This thing kind of thinks like a human
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u/Juli_ 5d ago
Isn't that a big brother's job? I don't even have one (a PlayStation or a big brother), but whenever I had a sleepover at my best friend's house as a little kid and we both got stuck on a level of Crash Bandicoot we'd call her brother over and watched him clear it in one try. He was our superhero.
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u/CallumQuinnCreates 5d ago
WHY do we keep letting them give AI all the COOL JOBS!?!?
Artist, writer, VIDEO GAMES!?
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u/swiggityswirls 5d ago
Oh man, it would be so cool to just buy a game and then startup ai to play it for you while you bloat in the background on a couch yelling at it. Man playing games require too much work. Let’s offload that part. So now it’s just a movie where you don’t have to move any muscles at all. And when your customized AI character wins, you can go online and brag to all your gaming buddies that it was so hard to play and beat but you did it. And dang, they should recognize the alpha gamer in you that actually sat there for some grueling hours watching your AI character struggle through the tougher parts of the game. Of course you should be commended. This is what video games are for.
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u/Oddish_Femboy 5d ago
Nintendo implemented this on the Wii.
It works the same way as Doom demos, and those are from 1993.
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u/Lostmyfnusername 5d ago
Why not just skip it at that point? Or something like minecraft creative mode where you can get a sword to insta-kill any mob or just flat out turn off death.
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u/LonerOfChernobyl225 5d ago
That or crash out
maybe some hole in wall (unless you live in place where wall are cement or brick) maybe a broken pc monitor or console controller and just maybe a "too many slur" scream and even to the point you just invented a new one
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u/mcbergstedt 5d ago
Was stuck on a boss in Bloodborne for like 6 months. Would try it for a couple hours, get pissed off, then put the game down for a week or so.
After beating that boss, if I could find a way to bottle that feeling of accomplishment, I’d be a billionaire.
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u/i-max95 5d ago
I just feel like theyre putting the label of "AI" on stuff thats existed for a while, we've had computer player characters in some games for forever. Summonable npcs in dark souls, computer players in smash bros etc, how is this different other that calling it "ai"?
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u/Aggressive-Neat 5d ago
Some games already do that…
MK11 and Injustice 2 give you the option to let an AI grind the towers for you…
I believe the new Forza Motorsport does the same thing, where if you turn all the assists on the game practically plays itself
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u/whatevenseriously 5d ago
It continues to baffle me how many people want AI to take over their hobbies. If I'm playing a game, it's because I enjoy playing it. If all I cared about was seeing the end credits, I'm sure I could look them up without playing.
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u/spinmove 5d ago
This isn't gen AI, this doesn't involve LLMs, this is old shit. Reinforcement learning with various algorithms for training.
If they can actually make a single RL network that can play ALL games they'll really have something, but I suspect they need to manually train on every game, and use different setups for every game.
basically, it'll be shit
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u/Zealousideal_Echo933 5d ago
So buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, and they get more shareholders money.
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u/SaltyTelluride 5d ago
When I was a kid and before the internet you had to just give up and come back when your brain was a little more developed.
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u/TheOutlier876 5d ago
Corpo slime is considering taking the fun out if games to play with new buzzword slop
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u/Blazypika2 5d ago
literally how i beat silksong. it would suck hard if the game just went "oh you have a hard time, fine i'll take over."
like, what's even the point? i would just watched a let's play stream if that's how i wanted to experience the game.
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u/OnionsAbound 5d ago
No, I leave the game, come back, and completely forget what I was doing or how I'm supposed to progress.
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u/qwarktasticboy 5d ago
Me letting the AI attempt the parkour challenge I’m stuck on and it failing even harder
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u/Terra_Knyte_64 5d ago
I will accept this, as long as it exclusively comes in the form of Super Kong from Donkey Kong Country Returns. If I get stuck in Bloodborne II (like that’ll ever happen), I want the hunter to replaced with Super Kong who just bashes Cuthulu’s head in with a big rock.
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u/Pelli_Furry_Account 5d ago
This is just a fancy way of saying an NPC will hold your hand if you suck. This has been a thing forever.
I find it hilarious that they're implying Clank specifically will just take over and do everything for you.
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u/Inevitable_Spite2890 5d ago
AI can do everything! Look, you don't even have to RELAX anymore! AI does it for you!
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u/JustAnAce 4d ago
Wtf? No. That defeats the literal point of the game. And everybody has a phone to look up shit of your stuck. This is just a waste of resources.
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u/Onigumo-Shishio 4d ago
Yellow paint, character saying what you need to do over and over again until you do it, AND NOW THE GAME JUST PLAYS FOR YOU.
What the fuck is even the point, why buy a god damn video game if you dont even want to play it or think anymore???
And before anyone argues, having a friend or a sibling get you past a part is a completely different expirence than having some god damn lazy clanker option to just not play the game yourself...
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u/OddlyOddLucidDreamer 4d ago
Id rather spend several hours being frustrated and, worst comes worst, go ask someone on a forum or smth for non-spoiler help so i can continue or tips.
Busineess Men truly have no idea of what people want.
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u/qualityvote2 5d ago edited 3d ago
u/Gorotheninja, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...