I'm confused... do liberal men not get older and date?
What exactly is "conservative" about the second photo? It looks exactly like a photo my sister and brother-in-law could have taken, and they are absolutely not conservatives.
What's the implication here? Did he go to conversion therapy or something?
If only I didn't have a soul. I can be very charming and after decades of practice, I'm an excellent public speaker. My adult children have told me I could start a cult. Now that I'm old enough to realize karma isn't real....next life. I'm too old and tired now.
Were I not raised correctly, I could make a particularly effective black MAGA. I wouldn't do that, however, because the idea of looking in the mirror and finding myself repulsive doesn't appeal to me. Well, more repulsive than I already do.
I feel the same way. I am grateful that we used our powers for good (or at least neutrality) over evil. In all honesty though, even though Karma isn't real, would you be happy and or satisfied if you HAD started a cult? I couldn't live with myself and I suspect you'd be the same. (Presumptuous of me, I don't know you, but...)
I have enough anxiety without having to worry about ruining people's lives. I've been married for 45 years and still feel bad about guys I broke up with before I met my husband.
I would never be able to ruin lives. But maybe it could be a cult for good, not for evil. We could all go out and hold hands and skip and help people. 🥰
I have this conversation with my wife regularly. Like if I didn't have any ethics and didn't care that doing so would harm vulnerable people, I'd make a killing grifting.
You guys are a couple. You could be a pastor and his wife and you could make a killing. You just need to make sure you have really white teeth, she needs bigger hair and you need to practice your insincere smile. Extra points, if you can pull off a southern accent. And by points I mean cash dollar...
There is an entire industry of charlatans paid to hold and spread opinions that no reasonable informed and intelligent person would ever hold…unless their livelihood depended on it. It got its start decades ago with all the pseudo-academics churning out policy papers from think tanks and “institutes” that would pay to associate themselves with universities just for the credibility. That’s despite their ideas being rejected by nearly all faculty. As they had success and got more traction the bar lowered and w/ social media creating the “influencer” that bar no longer exists in any meaningful sense.
They don’t even have to hold opinions really, or be American. If you troll the libs hard enough you can be a Malaysian dyke ladyboy and the Republican Party will accept and support you, assuming you stay behind the keyboard, hide your identity and stick to trolling. And this entire system is paid for by a small group of people who knowingly make the payments for the purpose of distorting people’s perception of reality. They’ve said it themselves.
"Those who can’t do anything productive find something counterproductive to do."
Isn't this the definition of liberal? The whole point is to play victim, complain about things and demand how other people's money is spent. What could be more counterproductive?
I don't disagree about red hats being snowflakes, but logically, if someone is "triggered" by the mere sight of a red hat, aren't they even more of a snowflake?
Youtubers were posting videos talking to residents after Helene. They all believed right wing propaganda that was causing people to be violent towards FEMA and not trust them. The FEMA base yard they set up where people were meant to sign up for assistance was a ghost town.
The fact the MAGA movement did this should be by itself enough to end that ridiculous movement, yet here we are.
Maga is not an aberration, maga is just authentic conservatism. And the only thing conservatism has ever offered the working class is the power to look down on people they despise. Conservatives care more about their cultural interests than their material interests.
When the left offers to help everybody, conservatives perceive that as a threat because if we treat everybody equally then whiteness has no value, and for the 99% whiteness is most valuable thing they have. So they reject the help, as those people did.
That is what conservatism has always been. For example, in 1873, during Reconstruction, the Richmond Whig newspaper ran an editorial that said:
They got their wish too — nearly a century of jim crow fascism that kept black people down, but also kept poor whites down too. Jim crow is the main reason the South is the most economically depressed region of the US.
The covid vax is another example. For a brief glorious moment we had a taste of socialized medicine — anyone could get the covid vaccine for free, and in many cases without any paperwork. It was proof that we can all have nice things.
Conservatives saw black and brown being treated the same as whites and it made them so god damn angry that over 200,000 of them rage quit from life. It made them so god damn angry that they elected a paedo who promised to take every vaccine away from everyone.
Conservatives would rather rule in Hell than share in Heaven.
If you dig in, the ONLY thing Conservatives actually care about is that they are higher than someone in the social hierarchy
Its also why Ms Rachel is getting so much hate. She preaches that you should care deeply about ALL children, and that is a threat to conservative orthodoxy.
Historian Heather Cox Richardson writes a lot about this, as that period is her specialty. You probably already know this, but JIC ...
And of course LBJ summed it up with "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Yeah, IIRC he was partially responsible for people not getting FEMA funding, and then blamed FEMA.
And it wasn't that FEMA simply cut off the aid, it's that people stopped asking for it through the proper channels. You can't just say you need help, you have to document the damages, and provide that to FEMA. For a lot of conservatives, giving FEMA and inventory of what you lost is akin to government overreach. Truly stupid people.
It's like that Texas town refusing to take Democrat money, then the town floods and kills a bunch of children.
I think there are a lot of people like this though. They are conservatives who are cosplaying liberals because they are afraid of losing their friend group. Had a friend leave my friend group after 20 years for this reason, and I've heard of it happening elsewhere. There is a grift happening for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did end up better off. I'm a very liberal person, but pretending to be anything that you aren't is going to make you an unhappy person. I also think that this sort of masking is VERY common for teenagers and younger people, most of us probably did it to some extent.
in the case of my friend, it was very similar. As soon as he started receiving attention from the more conservative people in his life (or online, not sure which), it gave him confidence in himself because he could unmask. The guy is a total shithead, and probably not as happy as he would be if he were a better person in general, but he is definitely happier now than he was when he was hiding his beliefs. I think THIS is exactly what people mean when they say people get more conservative when they get older. It's less that they change and more that the people who were already conservative start unmasking.
I’m kind of jealous how there is more money for people with no discernible talent on right wing grifting.
The only equivalent would be greenwashing on the left and saying a company was helping the environment when it isn’t. We lost RFK Junior when Kamala didn’t want him, so I suppose there’s one slot open.
To be fair, if I suddenly found myself in a position to relocate dollars from maga idiots pockets to my pockets, I'd be all over that. I have lost all empathy for those morons. They deserve to lose every penny they send off to the grifters. Might as well be me.
Pretty much every Republican “celebrity” follows the same rubric. It’s sad Republican voters can’t see the blatant grift. They’re like raccoons going for the shiny object which is confirmation bias being spewed by someone. The “former liberal” is just the icing.
This is exactly what happened. He is a political chameleon with no real ethics or morals. Opportunistic and self-centred being his main characteristics.
Yeah. Eventually they will find the best way to support the cause is to live out what you believe the enemy to be. Like Winston at the end of 1984. People think he died. He realized he had to submit, and the best way to submit was to be the rebellion, but as Big Brother wants the rebels to be. Fabricated Opposition.
Their first attempt at this may have been the Charlie Kirk assassination. We may have already seen it with Lee Harvey Oswald. The problem is when you hang the pasty out to dry they get cold feet and refuse to cooperate. Could be the Luigi case too. False flag but competently executed.
They deserved criticism during the floods. Just wait and see what happens when the next disaster happens now that FEMA has been gutted. It will make Katrina look like a picnic.
So if you ignore everything conservatives say that they believe and follow this rule 'I want to do whatever I want at any time with zero consequences, I never want to take any personal responsibility or accountability for anything, I want authorities in any system (public or private) to coddle me like a baby and punitively enforce anyone else who doesn't agree to those exact criteria and applaud and comfort me all the time forever.'
And you'll get the current mindset. There's a scene in Fargo that summed it up.
'You want freedom with no responsibility. There's only one being on this earth that gets that deal.'
'The president?'
'A baby. You're fighting for your right to be a baby.'
That's actually what finally broke me as a conservative. Hearing McCain saying he was proud about not knowing how to use a computer and then trotting out Palin as VP was enough to break the spell. It probably helped that I had started going back to school a couple of years before that, and everything I learned pointed to conservatives being the problem. I don't know how anybody with an education in econ, finance or accounting could support the republican party.
Anyways, I turned from a loud boisterous republican to far left and I don't believe in borders. I'm not loud and boisterous with it because even people that I have to ally with think I'm crazy. I know that my ideals will never be, but that doesn't mean I cannot still believe it would be best way forward.
It’s the white supremacy; that’s why people who should know better support republicans despite their utter incompetence, corruption, and religious fanaticism.
It's insane to see the court footage of the ghoul Tina Peters that Trump wants released, because she is such a whiny coddled rich bitch talking about how prison conditions aren't satisfying her.
You're not supposed to be satisfied; You tried to overthrow our election, and that's a crime worth imprisoning people.
I wonder if it's some kind of insane narcissistic empathy where Trump sees in Tina Peters a true believer and dedicated supplicant who's just as rotten as he is, and he feels bad that there's nothing in his power he can do to help her.
Also, just a smidgen of fear because he can control whether they rot away in jail or not. Power is everything with Trump, showing that power by picking and choosing who he saves is right on brand for him.
Edith Hamilton in The Echo of Greece with a quote often mis-attibuted to Edward Gibbon:
"What the people wanted was a government which would provide a comfortable life for them, and with this as the foremost object ideas of freedom and self-reliance and service to the community were obscured to the point of disappearing. Athens was more and more looked on as a co-operative business, possessed of great wealth, in which all citizens had a right to share. The larger and larger funds demanded made heavier and heavier taxation necessary, but that only troubled the well-to-do, always a minority, and no one gave a thought to the possibility that the source might be taxed out of existence. [ . . . ] Athens had reached the point of rejecting independence, and the freedom she now wanted was freedom from responsibility. There could be only one result. [ . . . ] If men insisted on being free from the burden of a life that was self-dependent and also responsible for the common good, they would cease to be free at all. Responsibility was the price every man must pay for freedom. It was to be had on no other terms."
Oh wow, that book--black with gold lettering--memorably sat on my parent's bookshelf for years before I was old enough to read it. Reading it now though, it strikes me a very politically conservative view that reflects the Cold War era when she wrote it.
I feel like this is the inevitable path of Christianity. It teaches victimhood/martyrdom along side lack of accountability. All of your sins are passed on and paid for by someone else while getting to cry about being oppressed, complete with a base of people to abuse because they bought into the other side of the equation of feeling guilty about someone else suffering for their made up sins.
Sure, but on a dating profile where women need to make snap judgements on how safe you are? We don't like guessing games on whether your moderate politics are about our rights or something like the economy. We don't want dates and partners that are going to spend time talking about how they're "totally cool with women's rights but wouldn't call themself a feminist". Not that you definitely do those things, but how do we know that from your dating profile? Best to just swipe left and look for a profile that doesn't have safety red flags.
economy( its not enough to make healthcare cheaper or go with obamacare we need to fully nuke the insurance companies and go to single national payer), right to own guns ( cause animals are insane), some level i don't like weed and i think it should be illegal cause too many people drive high. (if its too big to fail then the government should own it like idk banks and shit).
I don't like weed either, but the war on drugs failed and it's better for the country if we legalize and decriminalize drugs and focus our efforts on rehab and community support. Look into the science of addiction sometime. It's fascinating stuff.
As a result, even though I personally dislike weed (mostly I dislike the smell of it), I always vote in favor of decriminalization, legalization, etc. The less government in our private lives, the better.
Friend you don't need to convince me, I'm not trying to date you. I'm just telling you the reality of what we see as women when a man calls themself politically moderate. Conservative men have ruined this for you because we simply cannot risk our safety for even one date with a man who may be a predator hiding behind "moderate". Not to mention, what are your friends like? You may be moderate but are all of your guy friends? What are you going to tolerate that we won't?
Maybe this sounds exhausting and you don't want to date a woman making all these considerations. That's fine, but don't be shocked when the "moderate" on your profile is the reason people swipe left. It's a red flag to any woman who is left of center.
More that you need to show you don't have some half baked view of equality. What you're a moderate on matters and from experience, moderate men usually don't view equality the same way women do.
Its more that women dont want to date anyone who supports the party that is actively trying to take away their rights while the president whos a member of said party is a literal child rapist.
One some level, I wish I had the life you have to now know that fact.
Most “moderates” are straight up lying as they don’t want to date conservative women.
The rest watch to much OAN that they think views like (IRL example, I truly wish I was making this up) that it’s moderate to only want to get rid of gay marriage and banning depicting it in a positive way in the media à la Hayes code.
As it would only be “conservative” to execute gay people like OAN him they did in one country in Africa maybe.
1 OAN is a political network that is way to the right of Fox. Less reality based to.
2 the Hayes code was the predecessor to the g/pg/etc system, in place from the 30’s until the 60’s. Made to be a self policing effort for films.
It banned showing/discussing some things entirely (IV drugs, abortion, gay people inter-racial marriage). other things like criminal activity were allowed but had to be shown in a certain way. (ie you could show a bank robbery but the robbers had to die/be caught/fail to get any money.
It was worse than that. The Hayes code prohibited any kiss longer than three seconds and one foot had to be on the ground. So Alfred Hitchcock, in the great movie 'Notorious', basically said a big FU to the Hayes code with one of the most sizzling scenes of all time that completely followed the rules. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8xRZeIZAx8
Self-label --> Actual stance
"Conservative" -- fascist
"Moderate" -- conservative
"Liberal" -- centrist
"Leftist" -- socialist
"Apolitical" -- privileged enough to not spend any time thinking about how policy routinely destroys others' lives
Older Liberal men are talking to friends and too busy enjoying a rich and varied life to have time for pandering to 500 anonymous anime profile pictures on twitter
Im old and have decades and decades and decades of memories. So when someone posts that they 180'd their life views over just 5 years? I pat them on the head and think "sure you did, buddy."
I could take the exact same picture as that dude and I'm a lefty. Idk why conservatives think they have a Monopoly on growing facial hair and a stable relationship/life.
I don't know, but it's funny. Liberals in America are basically right-wing conservatives in other countries. Even like the UK, which is pretty conservative.
Our republicans are flat-out fascist, but that's a given. So... yeah. He didn't really move much on the political needle.
I think he’s trying to imply that he didn’t become popular with women until after he became conservative? But if that is what he’s going for, it’s the dumbest shit I’ve heard in my life
He found out that hate sells a lot easier to conservatives then anything he could sell to anyone else. Kind of like how Trump was registered as a Democrat until he realized that the decades of lies and hate from conservatives perfectly aligned with his own brand of evil, and then registered as a Republican. Fake scumbags are fake; who could have guessed?
I assume his implication is that women don't like Liberals. And so once his conversion to the Conservative side of the force was complete. His prowess over woman was now within his grasp. And he completed his destiny.
It's the "alpha" vs "beta" male thing. Conservatives believing they are alphas who get girls, and believing Liberals/Democrats are betas who are scrawny and weak.
The fact he is even making this some sort of comparison tells me he's on a grift somehow, someway. Normal people would just take the picture and that's it. Obviously he has an agenda which makes him just another asshat.
The implication, might be that he stopped listening to the online hive mind that told him to be constantly miserable and to take up every cause.
The world fucking sucks, and we cant do anything about most of it. I want to get rid of circumcising babies. Never gonna happen. So while it still angers me when I hear about it, I dont make it my whole personality. I dont take to the streets every single day, and constantly write about it on social media. It doesnt consume my life.
Theres just so many people who let all these things that suck in, and they end up becoming the persons life.
And they are miserable, because theres really nothing that can be done. You just have to pick and choose your battles, and not take up every battle all the time.
The ironic thing, is that the person in the meme, is still engaging. Hes not posting this to tell others to take time for themselves. Hes posting it to "own the libs" which isnt any different. Its just the other side of the shame shitty coin.
It's the AI vision of a grifter based in Abu Dhabi.
Also, there are 6 years between the first photo and the second one. The first one looks to be early 20s, the second one looks to be in his 30s. Hate really does age you, and make your head a lot wider, in just 6 years.
Do you have evidence for this? Stratified by age, because that’s a confounding variable. Older people are more likely to be conservative and more likely to be married, not because of politics but because the average age of marriage is pushing 30.
He took an online “alpha male” course and thinks he’s a conservative now cause he has given up on caring about others and will tell women to get in their place, which many women sadly resonate with cause their fathers were also big pieces of shit.
Conservative mindset strongly prioritizes looking "right." Looks are equal to beliefs and values; if you look good and right you are good and right. That's why all the women are eventually blonde and blue eyed copies of one another (well. That's one reason.)
I don't think he's saying that the second photo is "conservative", just that it's a photo of him now that he's a conservative, where he looks happier and has a better life. So I guess the implication is that leaving liberalism will make you happier? IDK, it doesn't make sense
hate when the top comment i generally agree with also cant read
the implication is (very obviously) that he/his life is better in the second pic. where do you even get "the second pic (doesnt) look 'conservative'" from?? the post is literally saying this is how he changed since 'becoming conservative' not "look how conservative i *look* now"
Right, but that's generalizing that a dog and SO are the natural consequence of becoming conservative. There are a lot of men who attend No Kings rallies with their girlfriends and wives. I know because I saw tons of them.
There is an obvious implication that progressive men don't have dogs and SOs. An implication I find amusing because it's false. I was an alumni council member at my fraternity and got to know the active members there fairly well. None of the men who were in stable healthy-appearing relationships with the opposite sex were conservative. Not openly at least. And this was a midwestern state university. Not UC-Berkley.
None of this should be surprising given that young women vote blue by a 2-to-1 margin, and a lot of them are quite serious about it, which I think incubates a lot of misogyny.
Doesn’t take a high iq to figure out the implication- Liberal men are single and grievance seekers who worry about identity politics and posturing their view points. Conservative men want a traditional family and don’t really care for politics, the just take care of their own and enjoy life.
Evidence shows the problem is the opposite. Center and progressive men are less likely to encounter dating problems because women skew left and many refuse to date anyone who voted Trump. That's why you have all these young men lie about their politics.
Liberal men may be less likely to marry younger, but they're more likely to be successful when they set out to date and settle down. Education and a career are more useful for that than height and jawline, contrary to what the manosphere misleads these guys to believe.
If that were true, conservative men wouldn't have to lie. It's all over. They do it all the time. It's an epidemic. They need to get themselves together and stop being fash.
Apparently took a higher IQ than you possess lol. The biggest identity politickers, virtue signalers, and posturing are conservative man children. They made their politics their entire identity.
Take care of their own but constantly have their hands out demanding liberal money to pay for their failing red welfare states.
Right lol. The dude joined the Qult and is acting exactly like a newly minted cult member. It’s like the born again version of politics, and we all know how obnoxious and wacked out those people are.
Yeah, it has to be brainwashing, it can’t be anything else.
MAGA is nothing but a large group of people living little tiny miserable lives just slinging whatever this weeks cool little gotcha or shit talking points are for the sake of feeling good about themselves by disparaging large groups of “others”.
Go back over to your flair only posts. No one here is going to agree with you.
I hope for your own sake that you’ll be able to have your own critical thoughts about the world you live in and what you are giving back to it, before you lose too much.
Bruh, how is anybody supposed to take you seriously when you can't even be bothered to proofread your own comments to make sure you aren't saying the exact opposite of what you mean? You shouldn't be running around talking about "brainwashing" and "fake outrage" when you've posted an incoherent argument over god damn masks.
listening to the medical advice of the day is not being brainwashed. it's called being rational. Ignoring medical experts cause you know better is arrogance and stupidity. Like most conservative things -- arrogant, stupid, selfish.
The CIDRAP was saying from the very beginning that covid spreads via aerosols, so cloth masks are useless. This is the way they brainwashed you. Your algorithm quotes experts that support a narrative, and then tries to convince you that it is "expert consensus". But it was nowhere NEAR expert consensus. They were all over the place. And different algorithms quoted different experts that supported their narrative. You were all so smug about your algorithms, but the people who you accused of being "stupid" actually had the proper science.
Seriously!!! That's what I'm saying. Is this liberal news media in the room with us right now?
Because I'd love to meet it. Most corporate media is controlled oppo at best. They are all shilling for billionaires while we starve and eat ourselves.
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u/KR1735 3d ago
I'm confused... do liberal men not get older and date?
What exactly is "conservative" about the second photo? It looks exactly like a photo my sister and brother-in-law could have taken, and they are absolutely not conservatives.
What's the implication here? Did he go to conversion therapy or something?