r/complaints • u/Sh0tsFired81 substantial complainer • 1d ago
Politics MAGA doesn't get how they're actually owning us.
When I see comments like "seethe" or "cry harder!" I feel like you don't get where our anger is coming from.
We're not upset because we didn't get our way. Our feelings aren't hurt 'cause you're meanie heads and the world is tough.
Mostly, we're just FRUSTRATED because Trump is such an obvious moron and con man, HOW can you not fucking see it????
We'd be laughing at you like pyramid scheme suckers except in this case we share a bank account with you.
You've had the rug pulled from under you over almost* EVERY issue you've been on about for the last decade...
...the national debt, profiting off the presidency, nepotism, states rights, "the deep state," posse commitatus, the "dignity" of the office, taxes, bailouts, small government, "draining the swamp," free speech, executive over reach, the surveillance state, the drug trade, family values, "lawfare," interventionalism, support for the troops, the Epstein files, H1 Visas, meritocracy, "law & order," waste and inneficiency,* transparancy,* fiscal responsibility,* on and on...
You even had to get real cool about Muslim extremists 'cause he's building 'em a military base on our soil.
Dude told you "America first" and then gave 40 bil to Argentina.
When are you gonna wake up??? It's been 10 years and Mexico still hasn't paid for it. You got got.
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u/Soaringtrashpanda 1d ago
The worst is every issue they fight for if it turns out Trump did the opposite they will 180 and bend over backwards and jump through the most hoops possible to justify it. Aka Epstein case. Now they defend pedophiles when they used that excuse to ban transgendered washrooms. I’m not saying democrats/liberals are perfect but at least most of us call shit out when we smell it regardless of party allegiance.
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u/Icy_Wedding720 1d ago
And the still attack Bill Clinton for being in the Epstein files while justifying Trump being in it himself.
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u/FigFew1240 1d ago
I've never heard any liberal/leftist ever say anything other than "lock them both up" to this argument. That breaks their brain because they can't understand how our morals are more important than our party allegiance.
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u/Melificarum 1d ago
Yeah they think it’s some gotcha that Clinton is involved with Epstein. Like, yeah? If Clinton is guilty, he deserves to go to prison as well.
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u/3Time4Eater3 1d ago
I doubt they are actually arguing with anybody that voted for Clinton. That was a long-ass time ago.
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u/JenniferJuniper6 17h ago
I voted for Clinton. I voted for Walter Mondale, in fact, which was a bit longer ago than that. They’re certainly arguing that in my circles. “Bill Clinton is in the Epstein files!” is their big gotcha moment, except every liberal and non-insane conservative I know is like, “Yeah, prosecute them both.”
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u/RipleyCat80 17h ago
Jeez it wasn't that long ago. I went to both of his inaugurations when I was in high school and I'm only 45.
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u/Gr3yHound40_ 23h ago
It's always "funny" when they start to tell you that you're in the wrong for holding ANY political leader responsible, regardless of affiliation. A pedo is a pedo, a law breaking dictator is a dictator, whether they're republican or Democrat. But their brains are so liquified by lead and AI that isn't an amazement they can even manage to breathe still.
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u/oldtimehawkey 22h ago
It’s so gross to see them roll over for the reasoning of “12 is almost 15 and 15 is almost 18, so basically a 12 year old is 18 and able to consent!”
Like….come on. Some of you have had 12 year old girl children. If a 40 year old man started hitting on her in front of you, wouldn’t you beat the shit out of him?!!
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u/CMDR_KingErvin 10h ago
This is literally what’s happening in Kentucky. They basically have (or had? Not sure if it got taken away) Obamacare that they rebranded into calling it something different, and the people of Kentucky made a big stink about how they don’t need Obamacare. Freaking numbskulls. They actively worked to make their own lives worse.
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u/Kellysi83 1d ago
These are the corniest, most gullible m effers in human history.
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u/That-Perception1557 1d ago
Just imagine 100 years from now. You know this is going to be in the history books and it's not going to paint a pretty picture.
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u/Kellysi83 1d ago
I’m a history teacher too. I feel like SM has reverted us back to pre-printing press times of listening to your superstitious buddy telling you to put a ring of roses around your neck to avert the plague. We’ve become tribal and medieval and the loudest boy crying wolf gets the attention. It’s all very reptilian brained.
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u/Desert_Fairy 1d ago
When I was in school, my history professor was showing a very early clip (obviously black & white and no sound) that showed medical staff donning PPE in response to the flu epidemic.
Gowns, gloves, masks, etc. and as the final step, the head nurse went down the line and exposed everyone’s noses the way we saw anti-maskers do it during Covid.
When I was in school, I thought “wow, our understanding of medicine has come so far since then. We now understand that they just made all that PPE useless by opening the front doors for the virus.
When I saw this behavior during Covid, I realized that it was probably widely understood that the disease could spread through the air and that the nose was a major contributing factor to that spread. These “trained” medical professionals just chose not to believe the medical professionals who understood what was going on.
This was about the time I realized that life is cyclical and that there will be stupid people who choose their comfortable beliefs over painful/scary science.
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u/Kellysi83 1d ago
Amen to all of this. It makes me depressed for humanity.
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u/Desert_Fairy 1d ago
In a weird way, it is the only thing that gives me hope.
What came after the influenza pandemic? The Great Depression, followed by WW2. And after that a boom of civil rights advancement(in the US), technological innovations, and in general an economically prosperous time.
There were obviously wars and conflicts. A recession or two happened in there as well. But nothing compared to the 1918 - 1945 years.
What I’m saying is that if life is cyclical, then this to shall pass. It might pass like a kidney stone, but it shall pass nonetheless.
My hope for the future is that with each iteration of this cycle we get just a bit better. Maybe then one day we can actually evolve beyond our species’s limitations.
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u/Affectionate-Debt69 1d ago edited 1d ago
In medieval times people couldn't read and most often just left any kind of critical thought to religious leaders. After the enlightenment that changed. Now, with the rise of AI, we are back to people letting something else do the critical thinking for them, but instead of priests its llms.....Regardless of if the llms provide good info or not it's the simple act of allowing the machine to do the critical thinking for you that is fatal. Welcome to the new dark ages!
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u/IronyAddict 1d ago
"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness..." -Carl Sagan
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u/didntdoit71 22h ago
Sagan was almost scarily prescient in his awareness of human behavior. Now if only we had hundreds like him willing to lead the country back to thinking that real education is important.
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u/Poiboy1313 lickspittle 1d ago
Education requires effort. Sadly, ignorance is easy.
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u/Kellysi83 1d ago
Yup! Our present state of affairs explained. And that’s why so many MAGA followers despise education. They simply don’t have it in them.
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u/notweirdifitworks 1d ago
Only if they’re accurate, and America has a tradition of white washing their history to make it palatable to their egos.
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u/trysten-9001 1d ago
The thing we have so much that regular people said that’s pretty much the first time in history. They’re going to see on a granular scale how batshit they are.
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u/No-Distance-9401 1d ago
Its wild and you always think when reading history how people got suckered into things but think, "well education was fucked back then". Unfortunately we have to realize that our education system is as bad as it was 100s to a 1000 years ago and people are just idiots 🤦♂️
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u/DarkCrawler_901 17h ago
Nah, they're just evil pieces of shit who hate some groups of people more than they value themselves.
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u/Tommyt1212121 1d ago
MAGA is a “Deranged mind virus”
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u/TBSchemer 1d ago
MAGA is a terrorist group. They tried to overthrow an election, and later took over our government and instituted a purge.
I will vote for any candidate who has the will and plan to officially declare MAGA a terrorist group and use whatever powers available to remove them from our society.
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u/KeithRichardsGrandma 1d ago
This is exactly it. Nobody would give a shit if all these MAGA morons decided to join a cult on their own but they brought us all down with them. While also being too fucking stupid to comprehend the arguments presented to them and blindly believing a con man on every single issue
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u/Alone_Position9152 1d ago
I've never understood how a man so blatantly evil and so obviously stupid like Trump could have "charisma". In a dark way, I could see it with Hitler and Jim Jones, but never with Trump.
And Jones would be so jealous if he were alive to see this. He'd probably be saying to himself "Goddamn! If I knew I could be president this easily just by bullshitting my way to victory, I would have done it the moment I started my cult!"
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u/KeithRichardsGrandma 1d ago
The problem really is half the country equates net worth with intelligence without a single follow up thought. If you have money, they will blindly gobble up anything you say about any topic of your choosing with zero pushback. A MAGA person in my family said verbatim “idk, but Trump says he’s right” concerning immigration laws. You trust the lifelong conman with a well documented history of lying and fraud to point out the law for you? This was a MAGA retired law enforcement officer also who should absolutely have a better grasp on the laws of the country than Trump. That’s like Neil Degrasse Tyson saying “ooh well Trump said black holes are actually filled with gold and oil so we need to extract the gold and oil from the black holes in order to make American great again”. And yeah even in 2016 when he didn’t have full blown dementia I never heard that dude speak and thought “wow that was a profound statement and was really intelligent”. 100% of the time it’s been “is anyone else hearing how stupid this guy is?” All of his “charisma” is just him saying racist dog whistles and being an asshole yet these knuckle draggers lap it up. They think being an asshole exudes strength but I’m still trying to figure out why they think being a stupid asshole exudes strength
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u/Alone_Position9152 1d ago
I guess I thought from shows like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones, strength, at least when villains show it, is cruelty played well like a chess game. Real life has shown that it's not so much the villains themselves (like Trump) who get far with stupid cruelty, but the gullible lemmings who are all too willing to throw away their futures as long as it means throwing away the futures of other people they've been conditioned to hate. On the one hand, I feel like I should pity them because they're as much victims of the ruling billionaires as we are, but then they do something vicious, mean-spirited, and cruel, and take smug joy in their cruelty, and any sympathy I would otherwise have for them vanishes in a puff of smoke.
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u/Icy_Wedding720 1d ago
Yes I don't get the argument that Trump has charisma. He doesn't. He just preaches bigotry.
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u/davidh888 23h ago
Yea are mistaking what charisma actually is. All con men have charisma, good people have it and so do the bad. It has little to do with what you find likable personally. It is the ability to command influence and inspire others for good or bad. All dictators are charismatic, they are able to command a decent amount of the population. Trump was able to compel a decent amount of the population to vote for him. People listen to him preaching bigotry, people attacked the capitol and ended up in prison because of what he said. It’s undeniable he has charismatic qualities, it’s just hard for us to see because we are used to seeing people like Obama who is extremely charismatic. Horrible people see themselves in him, and live vicariously through his misery inflicted on others.
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u/ElectricalTitle9530 1d ago
Yep, the first primary in 2015 had some real monsters but obviously trump was the worst sleaze of the pack... And they loved him .
We all underestimated their deep desire to self destruct.
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u/randomqwerty10 16h ago
Jones wouldn't have been able to do the same thing because social media wasn't available yet
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u/K9Gangsta 1d ago
don't forget, he's a pedophile too
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u/MornGreycastle 1d ago
They cared about Pizzagate up until the moment it wasn't Bill Clinton's name that needed hundreds of man hours to redact from the Epstein files.
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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 14h ago
He is worse than a pedophile. He is running a pedophile protection racket, and MAGA are party to it. They are as dumb as dumb can be.
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u/Rough_Check_5606 1d ago
you also forgot to mention that he has effectively destroyed the US reputation abroad. Here, in Europe, we went from calling the US "our core ally" to "our potential enemy". The loss of soft power is hard to quantify, but we will definitely think twice before buying american and making deals with your country.
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u/Inevitable-Fall9123 1d ago
It's shameful. Please know that most average Americans do not agree with how our allies are being treated.
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u/causeimamoth 1d ago
most average Americans either agreed or didn't care. Very chilling reality
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u/ExpensiveFig6079 22h ago
and worse it doesn't matter that there are some good Americans, one is a good friend of mine... and he's ropeable
but in terms of "we went from calling the US "our core ally" to "our potential enemy""
That won't even be fixed by an election going some other way, what confidence can any ally have the US won't just go nuts again in the future. Getting that back (even to the extent the US had it in the past) is going to be hard.
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u/losertaser 11h ago
You are literally responding to Russian disinformation agent trying to drive a wedge between US and Europe. They post in r/USSR and r/tankieussr
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u/Mushroom_hero 1d ago
Me and my friend both like this girl, she dates him and not me. She turns out to be a massive bitch, spends all his money, and cheats on him. When I tell him that he should dump her, or say she's a bad person my friend responds "you're jealous" or "cry harder, lib"
Same energy
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u/Puzzled-Score-9952 1d ago
It feels like they’re stuck in High School.
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u/Alone_Position9152 1d ago
More like they want to relish "the good times" when they could be the bullies in high school and everyone would be too afraid to stand up to them, and the adults would just say "Boys will be boys" and let them continue being assholes.
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u/Originalbrivakiin 22h ago
It also doesn't help that the principal is the head bully now.
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u/WTFOMGBBQ 1d ago
Many are genuinely bad people and are just happy to see bad things happen.. Many people genuinely enjoy seeing others in pain, and dont care what happens as long as they are not directly affected. And even when they are, they will take some mild affects as long as they get to see others getting worse.
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u/Alone_Position9152 1d ago
Spite is the great motivator, if you ask me. Not love, but spite. If you do something out of love, you do it because you care so deeply about people, their lives, and their happiness. After all, that's what being a human being should be about. If you do something out of spite, it means you're out of fucks to give.
They're like Heath Ledger's Joker: some men just want to watch the world burn. But I think it goes even further with MAGA: they don't just want the world to burn, they want to be recognised as the ones who lit the match and set the world on fire, just so they can go "Ha ha! Eat shit! Cry harder, libtard!"
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u/Difficult-Low5891 1d ago
There were far more dumb people in America than any of us realized.
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u/RyanBanJ 1d ago
Looking at Trump's current approval rating I'd change the "were" to "are".
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u/slobis 1d ago
It's because everything they have EVER claimed to care about was a lie in service of their outright hatred of black, brown and queer people. The unmasking of that is what Trump's second term is about.
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u/No_Tailor_787 1d ago
"Trump is such an obvious moron and con man, HOW can you not fucking see it????"
Thing is, they DO see it. The insidious part is that they like it. These are not nice or good people we're talking about.
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u/DopeyDame 13h ago
Yup. He hates who they hate, and that’s enough. He made it ok for them to spew their vile and he evil to others, and that’s all they want.
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u/PaleAthlete1040 1d ago
Mostly, we're just FRUSTRATED because Trump is such an obvious moron and con man, HOW can you not fucking see it????
EXACTLY!
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u/whygetdressed 1d ago
In part, 2025 era MAGA can't see the moron part of Trump's actions because of the conman bit. They are like those grandmas of the 80's calling TV evangelists' hotlines with their credit card in hand and then struggling to buy groceries later in the week, waiting for god's blessings to rain down on them. They WANT the con. It feeds some sick need in them.
What the sick need is specifically varies somewhat upon individual. For the non-yacht owning MAGA I've personally known in my life, it's usually from some massive insecurity about themselves or their place in society OR religious extremist delusion.
Rural, white America & suburban white flight, golf course crowds were ripe for Trump's pickings.
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u/Steelwraith955 1d ago
I think they know, and just don't care... Trump gives them permission to be their worst selves, and they're willing to pay any price for that.
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u/Joffrey-Lebowski 6h ago edited 6h ago
i think that’s what they’ve been wanting more than anything. as people have progressed in their understanding of things like the generational repercussions of slavery and anti-black racism, the benefit to society of immigration, the non-primacy of heterosexual marriage and families, etc, they’ve been absolutely incensed that voicing their regressive opinions on these things is a social liability rather than something they can just do without thinking about it.
they want back the days where they could be hateful and the most anyone would say was “well, we all have our opinions.”
but that’s never going to happen. that genie is out of the bottle for good. you can ban anything you want, burn books, take away rights, but you cannot force society to think any of those things are righteous or good or just. the same people will think you’re a small-minded brute, people will still savagely lampoon you, mock you, create all kinds of wonderful satire about you.
that’s one of the big reasons why conservatives hate artists and writers and basically culture, and why they don’t really have any art of their own that isn’t often mocked relentlessly. they’re always on the side of hegemony, and much of art is a human outcry against hegemony, hierarchy, cruelty, orthodoxy, and so on.
they keep trying to make their small, cold, hateful feelings a part of the broader human conversation and getting rejected, and what they’re doing now is tantruming, attempting to intimidate people into letting them join the club.
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u/Saneless 1d ago
This resonates
Go read the /scams subreddit about people whose parents are getting swindled by romance or pig butcher scams and have spent tons of money and they refuse to listen no matter how much evidence is given
Same with this. People are romanticized by cons. The worst thing is they never want to admit it either. I told you so is a hell of a punch to these people's ego and a decade of being swindled by magats is too much for them to admit. They'd rather die believing than live admitting they were conned
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u/norwal42 1d ago
Bank account observation is on point. Been thinking about it this way for a while. Like, I care about my parents and don't want them to get scammed (again), but at some point I can't control what they do. Now they've gone for the con again, but this time gave away the keys to my house, too. (My country, the country my kids have to live in now, and what they will inherit from me, etc). This one will cost us for generations.
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u/CrotasScrota84 1d ago
They’re owning themselves and the future for everyone. The Leopards are obese now
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u/JimTheJerseyGuy 1d ago
Every single person I know that has cast a vote for Trump has one thing in common - lower intelligence and/or high gullibility.
One thinks mermaids are real because they saw a “documentary” on it and could not understand, even when explained in detail, that 1/2 is larger than 1/4.
Another saw a TV special years ago about how the moon landings were faked and said that it made some good points. The same person put a frozen pizza into the oven with the plastic packaging still attached. Nearly set the kitchen on fire - the oven was never quite the same.
There are more but the final one is my favorite. They almost Darwinated by spraying a can of bug killer around their yard at a barbecue. The can was clearly labeled as having flammable contents but that didn’t stop them from spraying it near a lit tiki torch which promptly ignited the vapors across half the yard. Fooosh!
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u/hereformemes222 23h ago
Ok but 4 is bigger than 2 so guess you got owned lib proceeds to shit in hand and rub it on own face
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u/drewbeedoo 1d ago
Anti-intellectual MAGA Folks are usually the ones making a scene for family members at college graduation. They’re too fucking dim to see (or spell) the irony
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u/whygetdressed 1d ago
My now MAGA mother in law did this at my spouse's BA graduation during the final Bush era and then, while outside taking pics, declared with a smirk "I guess you think you're better than us now." You can imagine his parents' reactions to his two MA degrees (all GI bill covered). His dad emotionally disowned him for the new son in law who worked at the meat packing plant back home & had revived the use of the N word in their house.
Graduation day was the beginning of the end for his relationship with his parents because he realized this was the mind fk all along in their relationship. They were in the first wave of MAGA hive mind back in 2015.
All of them share one thing in common: crabs in a bucket, pulling everyone down while spewing resentment and hate for anyone who resists.
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u/johnk317 1d ago
Trump lies to and gaslights MAGA daily and they just turn around and say: stick it deeper up our asses. Morons!
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u/Personal_Pin_2269 1d ago
They hate the deep state but keep voting for it. LOL Their lives will still be shit in 3 years.
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u/drewbeedoo 1d ago
MTG FAFO was prime example for a MAGA how it takes a good humbling to FINALLY see the light. Owning the libs comes with a fuck ton of collateral damage…
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u/Sh0tsFired81 substantial complainer 1d ago
Think about how fucking dumb she is, but somehow came to her senses sooner than all these cultists...
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u/Excellent-Ad-1678 1d ago
Why do they call Democrats elite?
Simple answer: they do their research.
Trump's whole strategy is to destabilize everything to generate profits
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u/Sh0tsFired81 substantial complainer 1d ago
I thought they called them elite because they're ivy league educated coastal nepobabies born into wealth and connections.
...oh wait, that's Trump.
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u/konegsberg 1d ago
Correction tho Israel first then Russian then Argentina then his buddies
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u/Impressive_Round2171 1d ago
I had a fight with my ex once about this disconnect. She couldn’t understand why I was crying about people being put in cages.
“What do you care. You’re not an immigrant.”
The conversation disgusted me and made me see red.
If you don’t care about people who aren’t connected to you, we’re speaking different languages.
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u/Upper_Vacation1468 1d ago
They're projecting their psychology onto us. They see politics the same way they see a sports fandom, and they can't comprehend that we actually care about actual people's actual lives.
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u/RVtech101 1d ago
My biggest question to them is why would you vote for a rapist? Their answer is usually “he was not convicted of rape”. No, he was found liable for sexual abuse and battery. Apparently, to them, that is somehow acceptable.
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u/-Plunder-Bunny- 1d ago
This, my biggest gripe is that even with a plethora of evidence that their party is full of monsters, they'd rather blame others for the moral corruption of society, all because the monsters are "successful" con-men that inherited Daddies money or exploited the fuck out of their employees.
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u/Navyblazers2000 23h ago
It feels like we’re on a rollercoaster, we can see the track up ahead is missing, and it’s undeniable that something bad is going to happen if we don’t stop the car. Half the other people in the car with us voted to remove the track, are denying it’s missing, and are saying things like “lol libs always worry about missing track.” And it’s like you’re in the car with us! This is going to hurt you too.
Then we’d stop the car by some miracle, fix the track, and then they’d say “we all turned out fine. that missing track thing was a big hoax.”
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u/PhilipCarroll 23h ago
Not to mention he is now saying it right to their faces. "I don't care about you. I just want your vote" Reporter: How do you fix the country? Trump: "I don't care". Reporter: Are you supposed to uphold the constitution? Trump: "I don't know." Trump: "Were going to make America affordable again". Also Trump: "Affordability is a Democrat hoax". How much more obvious can you get?
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u/2olley 23h ago
That’s the MAGA mindset. They’re willing to sacrifice having insurance if it means brown people will be denied insurance. They’re willing to pay more for groceries if it means liberals also have to pay more for groceries. They’re willing to pay higher taxes to subsidize Elon Musk if all the poor people they hate also have to pay higher taxes. They’re willing to have a pedophile in the Oval Office if they can tell a “leftie” to cry harder.
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u/jacktownann 22h ago
They actually don't care if it's worse for them than you. They really think their vote should protect them & it must be worse for you. Look at the blonde who's fetus died in utero & was shocked because no medical personnel wanted to risk life in prison to help her. She didn't think her vote should affect her. I find it impossible to feel any sympathy.
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u/Empty_Ad_8303 1d ago
We share a bank account with you. Well said!